What do you REALLY think about selling to dispensaries under the new guidelines

(Q. Who does medical marijuana belong to?

A. Medical marijuana is the property of the patient, not the caregiver or the grower. The caregiver or grower must give the medical marijuana to the patient any time it is requested. The patient may reimburse the grower for costs of supplies and utilities associated with the production of medical marijuana, but it is not required. Growers are prohibited from requiring a patient to pay for the marijuana

willfully possessing the property of another person and not letting them have it is considered theft, isn't it? I suspect that's how they look at it, why would NORML of all people advise patients to do these walkthrus if they aren't legal and binding? According to the law, you have to give it up when requested.
I think in Cali, its different. I also think its possible this is the reason they claim contracts hold no legal water, other than for reference. Civilly, the contract should matter. I have to wonder also, in a county with a anti-mmj stance or city for that matter, wouldn't use a call per a dispute or tell the dept to go out on these calls, so as to documentation to further his cause, hypothetically speaking, of course. Im not being bold either, I can't get it to stay off after the quote, apologies!

the reason they ask for the address of everyone involved is so they can mail the letters. Also if you don't return the cards in the mail within two weeks there is some sort of reprecussions. I change addresses all the time and change paperwork all the time. Trust me they always send anyone affected by the change letters. Willfully possessing somebody's property is not theft. It would def become a civil matter. The police may arrest the grower for possession though if they have the weight of the patient and the patient does not and wants it. It really is a big cluster fuck and could be interpreted differently by anyone. The fact of the matter is just grow for people that you trust and there will be no problems. All the asshole patients with their entitlement better than thou attitudes can go pay up for shitty meds from the dispensaries. I am not being a dick to all patients just the ones who are assholes

Went and checked out some more spots yesterday also. They are selling such shit weed and I can't bring myself to believe the numbers being posted by the lab results. terrible weed stating 20 plus percent thc, there is no way. Also looked at several strains they claimed to have which i grow and they were not even close to the real deal. completely different smell, structure, everything. It's crazy how shitty the weed is. especially when i know growers with great stuff unable to do anything but sit on it.

agreed Jaredman and there is also a rule I seen where they are supposed to send in cards within a time frame as you say, if they are notified, I think that may be up to patient but they could always say they forgot, but you are correct, but last year, every change I made, I was sent the cards, for grower and caregiver. Most multipatient growers call every week or used to. So I stand corrected on that one. And I believe your comment goes to growers also Case in point: true story, I was recruited for an outdoor grow this year, or my card I should say. I was promised the usual, was promised reimbursed for meds all day long at a certain rate until harvest, or pull off my allotment early and keep track. I was told of many different strains. The samples were ok, phone call made a few days later to for meds. Only one strain available, they are about out of everything period, etc. Would you feel lied to? Within 3 days of payment being made to OMMP, looks like things changed, how would you feel as a patient? Not all growers are like this, as not all patients are assholes. And I agree fully with you, I could preach it to the skies, in a perfect world, a man could just grow his own. Or as you say, for people you trust. One thing is for sure, with the bans, be a huge demand for the southern outdoor this year, if the patients can't find any resources for meds, imo. And if there were more clubs, competition would bring the cream to the crop. Its funny, you don't believe the strains, nor the test numbers, did you get yours tested yet? And again I ask, why would patient advocate groups and NORML tell people to do the walkthrus with the county leo? Why would they advise patients to do this as a last resort to get their meds? And I do agree with you on another point, I've seen people think they grow the dank and when you smoke it, you can tell they been bout the only ones smoking their meds, or people close to them, as there is some people growing hay around, for sure. Its a mess, both ways, for sure

OMMP office in Portland stated today, it is up to the discretion o local law enforcement agencies to do walk thrus. As I assumed, I'd say counties that don't like ommp or clubs maybe, will do them, and counties that don't mind em, won't. Down south, I'd say they they chompin at bit. JMHO

jaredman said:

Went and checked out some more spots yesterday also. They are selling such shit weed and I can't bring myself to believe the numbers being posted by the lab results. terrible weed stating 20 plus percent thc, there is no way. Also looked at several strains they claimed to have which i grow and they were not even close to the real deal. completely different smell, structure, everything. It's crazy how shitty the weed is. especially when i know growers with great stuff unable to do anything but sit on it.

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Hope it wasn't a club pitbull [snicker] or one in Salem, which leave much to be desired.
A club in the capitol city I went to, they [the owners] were keeping all the top shelf and doing dabs all day....then selling shake as top shelf. Barely even bud, mothafuckin shake!

After that, I dropped out of the program. I was nervous and pissed about giving up all my info to the state previously, but my mission started out to help those in need and I strayed.

Cash croppers, gotta love em,

CobbCreekBob said:

(Q. Who does medical marijuana belong to?

A. Medical marijuana is the property of the patient, not the caregiver or the grower. The caregiver or grower must give the medical marijuana to the patient any time it is requested. The patient may reimburse the grower for costs of supplies and utilities associated with the production of medical marijuana, but it is not required. Growers are prohibited from requiring a patient to pay for the marijuana

willfully possessing the property of another person and not letting them have it is considered theft, isn't it? I suspect that's how they look at it, why would NORML of all people advise patients to do these walkthrus if they aren't legal and binding? According to the law, you have to give it up when requested.
I think in Cali, its different. I also think its possible this is the reason they claim contracts hold no legal water, other than for reference. Civilly, the contract should matter. I have to wonder also, in a county with a anti-mmj stance or city for that matter, wouldn't use a call per a dispute or tell the dept to go out on these calls, so as to documentation to further his cause, hypothetically speaking, of course. Im not being bold either, I can't get it to stay off after the quote, apologies!

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That is definitely something I will be researching. If I find anything useful out I will pst.

Research it brother, that question and answer came right from the state law website!

Oh, and the attorney for the meddy club that got shut down was Leland Berger, its starting to look like berger and loney don't have the pull or the knowledge or resources to beat some of these deals, bet you still had to pay a retainer, lol

CobbCreekBob said:

Oh, and the attorney for the meddy club that got shut down was Leland Berger, its starting to look like berger and loney don't have the pull or the knowledge or resources to beat some of these deals, bet you still had to pay a retainer, lol

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I'll see your ASSumption and raise you one Fuhgetaboutit!

quote="CobbCreekBob, post: 1215718, member: 2353"]Research it brother, that question and answer came right from the state law website![/quote]

That still does not say shit about what their actual powers are. You already pointed out that one could just give them immature plants and say here ya go.
Factually establish WHAT is theirs as far as the law is concerned and the research is done. I will be here with the eternal box of Krispy Kreme donuts for when you have finished.
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twist it however you want, its the patient's choice was what I was getting at. Sorry your plans got put on hold. Hang in there. You the Man!

as far as getting my weed tested and comparing it to the stuff i saw is a waste of money. I have eyes and a nose. My Goo for example is very pungent and fruity, one of the best smelling strains ever. It is also some of the most frosty outdoor strains around, I know because I frequent many gardens throughout the season of people growing both goo and many other strains. I can tell by looking at it and smelling it in any garden after growing it for four years I am pretty familiar with it. Also williams wonder is a very easily spotted strain. I have also been running this four years and the look and smell is unmistakeable. When clubs blatantly say they have these strains and they do not i took notice of it. It made me wonder what other strains are fake and it seemed like they just had random shit weed that they called whatever sounded popular. I actually have some honeycomb pending test results but I'm not really interested in testing my flowers. Every person I know that tries them loves them and they are beautiful. Why do I need more proof than that that my meds are good? If someone shits on a plate and calls it a porterhouse steak and says they have the lab results to prove it, I can safely say that i will not be eating it because i can see a real steak and choose to eat that instead. By the same token if someone is shitting on a plate and calling it the best steak in the world and another person is selling real steak that they just call it steak, who do you think will prosper in the long run?

welcome to the real world, how do you think a patient feels when a grower gets a mislabeled cut or some named cut you have no idea what it is, grows it for them, telling them its something else? Multnomah Coma, Grandmas Cookies, etc, all names out of Oregon and Oregon has been one of the worst places I have ever seen where they grow strains they have no idea about, aka," here, man, its good pot", they are so worried bout yield, the quality suffers. But congrats to you on your skills. And one other thing, as in the Williams Wonder scenario, many will buy a pack of seeds, find one female, grow it out, and call it the real deal and it may or may not look or be anything like the cut, depending upon the source. I myself find this often with the Chems and OG's. I grew Chemdog D few yrs ago from a cut sourced in Portland, once you grow it from start to finish, you don't forget, and the Chems you see in the clubs, could be any of a bunch of diff strains, with Chem in it no doubt, but not the real thing. Like the OG's, imho

CobbCreekBob said:

twist it however you want, its the patient's choice was what I was getting at. Sorry your plans got put on hold. Hang in there. You the Man!

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There is no twist in it. What is the criteria? or, is there no criteria. A patient shows up with the Popo, what are my rights? Can I sed them away with a dozen immature plants and say there ya go.....
I have searched BUT....There is NO info except a couple of case scenarios where the grower gave the patient all they had because the patient was the only one the grower had.......What if...You have more than one patient..
Here is what I have for YOU Mr fuckstick patient... All else is the property of other patients??!!
You see what I am getting at.

it's their choice not yours I believe is how it works. Finished meds, hanging plants or live plants, they prolly aren't leaving without the patient's property and its their choice. I think thats why its called a walkthrough. Also, if you show up at an outdoor growsite, I think its the patient's pick of the plants also. Many southern outdoor boys do the plot, land, card thing, without livin there. If your house is the growsite, good luck with that one. Im sure you'd be on the radar from now on, if you got into a tussle with the local popos, jmho

why would a patient be able to chose which plants they want? that is not true at all. Why would one patient be able to take another patients property? That is false as hell. there is no criteria. If it was a real concern I would label each plant with a name of a patient on it so if they ever did what is being discussed they are clearly labeled as to who's is who's. just label a bunch of clones with patients names and be like "here you go"

that's the way the advocates, NORML etc said it worked. The OMMP office said walkthrus are allowed. You take the chance. I know you have happy patients, just saying. You take the chance of your grow addy and such being on a report, etc. All over not taking care of a patient properly, sure don't seem worth it to me, just saying.

CobbCreekBob said:

that's the way the advocates, NORML etc said it worked. The OMMP office said walkthrus are allowed. You take the chance. I know you have happy patients, just saying. You take the chance of your grow addy and such being on a report, etc. All over not taking care of a patient properly, sure don't seem worth it to me, just saying.

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Thx Bob.I will proceed as you advise. I have been really leery of growing for anybody, the folks who we will grow for are friends who have been on the Kickdown Train for years.
I don't like the idea of someone coming t me sideways. Better safe than sorry.