What do you REALLY think about selling to dispensaries under the new guidelines

[jaredman]

maybe you can't understand english or something. I have plenty of patients, all friends. I also was comparing my outdoor to the best top shelf that is possible, not the top shelf at the dispensaries here. my outdoor is better than that shit by far. as usual you just say dumb shit talking out your ass. to get my responses back on track to this thread though, I think that selling to dispensaries under the new guidelines will be very easy for any grower with mediocre or better skill. the product in the shops is a joke. I think there is lots of money to be made selling to dispensaries. I for one will not be doing it however. Not until uncle sam gets on board at a federal level. Oh and bob, if the dispensary weed is so good, why is there a list of 20 people wishing they had a grower? wouldn't they just buy it at the dispensary and be so happy like you suggest the future will be? I think you may be confusing the southern area with the coastal and northern areas as well. It hardly rains here at all. mold and rain are hardly a concern to anyone who can cover the plants they grow with anything. I feel sorry that you are such a gloomy jealous nitwit. So down on life. If you had a social life you would probably be surprised at how many amazing growers are putting out great weed, grown outdoors in so or. But you just live in your little closed up life bitching about "cash croppers" and all the shitty weed they grow. It's nobody's fault but your own that those are the people you associate with. Just get some better friends. You probably need to change your attitude though because nobody likes you.

 

[Kendo]

@jaredman
No disrespect bro but it go..
It's a no win Let it go. type of deal.
Thx in advance and much love
Kendo

 

[Texas Kid]

Most people looking for a grower and not goin to a dispensary is because they do not want to pay for their meds, they have dreamed a ridiculous value for themselves as a patient and figure you as the grower are making so much off their numbers that they are in titled to free meds anytime anywhere from you..I used to have them tell me that I was making $50,000 off each of their med card numbers so I should be only to glad to give them whatever they wanted for free on request..they think they are the one of value in the relationship not the growers, you owe them..lol

 

[jaredman]

i feel you texas kid. two years ago i went out of my way to help one of my patients. he could not understand that the meds had to be grown before they could be dispursed. I only do outdoor at this point as well. So in like march he signs up and is like where are my meds i want my pound and a half. I was like they will be ready in mid to late october. he can't believe it and is all huffy so i tell him to buy it from the clubs until then. I finally managed to explain it all so he understood and ended up getting him eight ounces within a week. it was supposed to last him until harvest but it was gone in less than two months. then he put me on the spot getting me to find weed for him to buy. So i did explaining to him that i was just doing it as a favor not a drug dealer or anything just knew people he didn't so i helped him out. several ounces in to the arrangement he starts demanding that he can come see the garden because of all the money he has been investing into the grow since he started buying the ounces. at this point I am just pissed at the guy and told him off. I told him that we had an arrangement that i fully intended to fullfil and if he had a problem with it to pay me for the eight ounces i had already gotten him to start and then to fuck off. patients are a dime a dozen but an hones grower who upholds his word is few and far between. He cam crawling back begging forgiveness within the week. Patients, if you can call them that because really about one in ten people have legitimate needs, are so entitled here it is sick. I will only grow for friends now because it is too ridiculous trying to deal with people that always want more and now. Just like you say they all think that everyone is getting rich off them. I would rather just make friends who appreciate it happy now.

 

[Kendo]

I have only 1 patient at present + the wife and I. We have 3 family members set to use us as growerss, I also have a couple of friends who have wanted me to grow for them for a longwhile, "I know...You got friends Kendo??!!" Maybe.....
I am leaning heavily towards a contract between us that stipulates the entitlements and breakdown of transfer. I think that everything up front and FULLY understood is gonna be my best approach.

 

[jaredman]

i see lots of people using contracts to the effect of "i have already given you the amount of meds you required for the year so my obligation to you is fulfulled, by this agreement i will be your grower for one calendar year without any changes to the registry". Also it is really easy to just buy peoples cards. Peeps sell their card for the year for like 2500 or 3000. No transfer of meds ever. they just get the card to sell it. I don't see the contract legally being binding either. I have just seen people using one. If it came to it the law says that the plants are the patients and they can claim them at any time. So if your patients are dicks they could really screw you if they wanted. That is why i just grow for friends. Also if you know the people you are buying a card from don't even smoke or care they are not concerned with the plants or meds ever. just their money, upfront, end of story.

 

[Texas Kid]

Good way to shut them up is grow the plants for them right up till harvest day, then say you've done your part by growing for them, now they need to come pick up their completed unharvested plants in the next 24 hours..otherwise you charge $200 bucks an oz to trim, dry, and package their meds for delivery.

Cards should be no more than $350 bucks a peice and even that is a stretch..we used to be able to buy 100 cards for $3,500.00 from the recommendation doctors offices..in the early days out here I would see warehouse operations come in and buy them 1000 at a time for $30-$35k..the doctors would give the recommendation for free if you allowed them to resale the cards out the back door

 

[pimpmasterdlx]

Hey TK do you live in oregon?

 

[Texas Kid]

I'm in the Rockies..looked at moving out there before I moved here though

 

[pimpmasterdlx]

That's funny I'm kinda in the same boat denver vs portland. Are you happy with your decision or do you kinda wish you went to the PNW?

 

[Texas Kid]

I couldn't be happier with my choice..I don't wish I had gone to the PNW at all...after I went up there and got the lay of the land the PNW pretty much dropped completely off my list of options..I would take Norcal as a second choice to Colorado..I have been out here for 8 years now and never looked back

 

[Kendo]

The PNW is not for everybody, real talk...My move to Oregon was kinda predetermined for me. We were looking in Norcal/mendo/ humboldt area. But my Mom and Pops had been here in the O for 20+ years. When I discussed with Pops where we were looking he got a misty eyed look and asked me to please move here as they were getting old and he had worked hard to leave me his legacy, ( 16 acres of the most beautiful property on the planet) He asked me to consider moving here.
Doing so was the best decision I have made in my later life. It has been a hard 5 years in some ways and the most satisfying in others. Wife, kids, dogs and me all have changed in so many positive ways, we all had to rely on each other without the vast social network we left behind.

We actually discussed CO but the wife put the kibosh on any move that took us more than 2 hours from the ocean..........

 

[CobbCreekBob]

Good way to shut them up is grow the plants for them right up till harvest day, then say you've done your part by growing for them, now they need to come pick up their completed unharvested plants in the next 24 hours..otherwise you charge $200 bucks an oz to trim, dry, and package their meds for delivery.

Cards should be no more than $350 bucks a peice and even that is a stretch..we used to be able to buy 100 cards for $3,500.00 from the recommendation doctors offices..in the early days out here I would see warehouse operations come in and buy them 1000 at a time for $30-$35k..the doctors would give the recommendation for free if you allowed them to resale the cards out the back door

Agree on the prices, and many use your theory. I believe the law states as the whole plant hangs, not processed yet, its still considered plant, not weight as the standard, but you know good and well no OR outdoor growers is gonna have grown 6 2lbrs for 6 months or longer is gonna give up all them plants, that's why people are advised, if they can catch the grower before they might run off, is to do the walkthrough with the law, IF THERE IS TROUBLE IN THE RELATIONSHIP, in that instance, people are told to either take the best looking plants or their weight in processed marijuana. Can you imagine if that grower you mentioned made that ultimatum and the patient showed up with the sheriff for his property the next day and took your best six plants or took a 1.5 lb of your special stash they find during the walkthrough? Boy, that'd be funny, eh? That's why the law was written with ALL the shit being the patients property, in whatever form, and if you are going to grow for somebody other than family or friends, and you are on their paperwork, it works how it works. We are just discussing hypotheticals, right? I also agree that OR is great for growing your own. Seems like although the limits were set to be abused, that is the best scenario period, IMO.
I also noticed this week on renewal or application forms, new info on form saying you can't make a dispensary your grower? Thought it was odd they had foreseen a danger if patients started making clubs their growers, can you imagine the weight the clubs could possess? Good rule, imo.

 

[Texas Kid]

When the shit hits the fan, patients = conspiracy charges for everyone..and just wait till a patient gets pissed, they are worse than a woman scorned, the cops come a knocking..I had more than a few threaten to call the local law on me if I didn't pony up meds for them..hell I had dispensary owners threaten the same thing if I didn't take care of them

 

[Kendo]

I also noticed this week on renewal or application forms, new info on form saying you can't make a dispensary your grower? Thought it was odd they had foreseen a danger if patients started making clubs their growers, can you imagine the weight the clubs could possess? Good rule, imo.

The clubs can possess an infinite amount of cannabis by state law.

 

[Kendo]

When I read the law that stated the plants were the property of the Patient I wondered how in he fuck can they lay claim. Doing so is a civil matter as with any goods and services. The Police have no jurisdiction in civil matters of this type. They have no legal groundwork to step in and say this is what this patient can take from you.

I was raided up on Kooky Mountain. I had unfortunately had an asshat pull his permit 3 weeks prior to harvest and so I was a couple of plants over my quota. They called me and all the patients associated with the garden to figure out WHICH plants to cut down. They had to do so in order to cover their ass on the Civil asset end.

 

[CobbCreekBob]

The police will escort you or the sheriff to the premises to obtain said property, its happened down here, of course. Have also heard of the patient going to grow site or growers addy and calling ahead and telling the deputys till they showed up, once they seen it was a dispute over, they advised the grower to give the patient his property, technically it could be 12 clones smaller than a foot, or the weight in processed meds, or the hanging plants. Yea, when the outdoor growers started disappearing on their patients last couple of years, shit got real. Funny thing is, it was NORML office, and the clubs and the advocates advising patients to do the walkthrus albeit, last resort to obtain their medicine. Again, I agree on the not growing for other people if you aren't prepared for it, anything could happen. I would be more worried bout the scenario Kendo described, if I was a grower. If you was running close numbers or weight and had two or more patients bail on paper and not tell you, that would be a bigger problem, imo, than the local popo showing up to get one patients property.

 

[jaredman]

if the patients bail on you the grower gets a letter in the mail notifying them of this happening as well as a letter stating that they need to mail in the cards back to the ommp. I think you would be fine until you have that letter in hand.

 

[CobbCreekBob]

lmfao, they must do it different to diff people then. The patient is sent the grower and caregiver cards to distribute, if they were going to send letters out to let growers know that their patient has dropped them, they'd send the cards directly to the grower, like they used to. They don't do that anymore and it plainly states on paperwork if any changes made, the patient is to let the grower know, the State doesn't do it, I've never known anyone in the last two years get any sort of letter per a change in paperwork, other than the patient, and they they are advised to let the grower know. These different rules that keep popping up, lmfao, its crazy, the state does one thing for one person, one thing for others, crazy, lmfao.

taken from the change form:

If you remove your Grower, it is your responsibility to tell the Grower that he/she is no longer

protected under the Oregon Medical Marijuana Act

same with Caregiver.

if they were gonna send the letter to the grower, would they have you notify them also?

 

[Kendo]

I have searched for the protocol Police are under when dealing with OMMP disputes. I found nothing as to what their able to do. Ifd anybodt has the info I would love to read it.
It is my HO that they are held to civil precedence and can be sent packing by the grower. I have sent the Popo packing at the grow spot before when they were pressing hard for access.