Most People Think They Grow Organic Indoors

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ken dog said:
By bugs, you mean microbes, right?...insects, quite a few anyway, are the enemy.

The most excellent thing about growing indoors, is that you do not need pesticides of any kind... Hopefully. ;-)
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I tried to Help manage 2800 plants indoor organic and thru the towel in bout wk 2. I tip my hat to those guys...
 
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artcore said:
In Europe the major supermarkets make this distinction in fruits and vegetables that they sell, they have small stands for biological products and other stands for organic products and then have the remaining fruits and vegetables.
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Interesting, I didn't know this.
Junk said:
You know I love you, (does your husband know? nm) but none of that has anything to do with being organic. A loose definition of organic just means naturally occuring (& I believe carbon based applies to earthly material) compounds that can be found in nature.You can bring them & use them anywhere you like. The light source, that's debatable. I think of it as more of an energy source. Because the sun, while being organic where it sits, by the time it reaches us is simply energy. Is it no longer organic to use another energy/light source? (I can see both sides of that one)

What you are talking about, to me, falls more under the definition of "Environmentally Friendly," not, organic.
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Actually... :) As the vast majority of people do, which is natural, you're confusing the scientific definition with the legal definition. Organic cultivation is very clearly legally defined, and it has little to do with the scientific definition of organic compounds.

What I'm talking about is what you must address when you apply to become a certified organic cultivator/grower/farmer. The majority of the paperwork you're going to have to fill out, the majority of your growing plan, is going to have to address the environment, the soil, watersheds, etc. Very little of the paperwork you fill out is going to be regarding pesticides, unless you're using them frequently. You're going to have to log additions of things like manures and composts, that's very closely regulated.

The stuff about watersheds and soil, erosion and buffer strips are all lessons learned from the Dust Bowl (that conventional agriculture is conveniently ignoring). And, none of it is applicable to indoor potted cultivation.

If it weren't so expensive, I'd already be certified.
 
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Seamaiden said:
Interesting, I didn't know this.

Actually... :) As the vast majority of people do, which is natural, you're confusing the scientific definition with the legal definition. Organic cultivation is very clearly legally defined, and it has little to do with the scientific definition of organic compounds.

What I'm talking about is what you must address when you apply to become a certified organic cultivator/grower/farmer. The majority of the paperwork you're going to have to fill out, the majority of your growing plan, is going to have to address the environment, the soil, watersheds, etc. Very little of the paperwork you fill out is going to be regarding pesticides, unless you're using them frequently. You're going to have to log additions of things like manures and composts, that's very closely regulated.

The stuff about watersheds and soil, erosion and buffer strips are all lessons learned from the Dust Bowl (that conventional agriculture is conveniently ignoring). And, none of it is applicable to indoor potted cultivation.

If it weren't so expensive, I'd already be certified.
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Probably. I'm a part time writer so I'm responsible for knowing the definitions of words a lot, so if it "dictionary" & a legal, I'm almost certainly not familiar with the legal.

At the federal level, there can't be a legal definition for organic cannabis, can there? Or is it just the rules to Organic Farming?

What state are you in? (if you don't mind) If you guys can grow & have the state come in & give you a stamp (or whatever process) I would be curious what that document looks like. It's such a new field (npi) I'm curious where they started...

Consider me schooled.

Either way, props to the people who do it, it's an unbelievable amount of work, & I already do half the process anyway with the regular garden.
 
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Seamaiden said:
Interesting, I didn't know this.

Actually... :) As the vast majority of people do, which is natural, you're confusing the scientific definition with the legal definition. Organic cultivation is very clearly legally defined, and it has little to do with the scientific definition of organic compounds.

What I'm talking about is what you must address when you apply to become a certified organic cultivator/grower/farmer. The majority of the paperwork you're going to have to fill out, the majority of your growing plan, is going to have to address the environment, the soil, watersheds, etc. Very little of the paperwork you fill out is going to be regarding pesticides, unless you're using them frequently. You're going to have to log additions of things like manures and composts, that's very closely regulated.

The stuff about watersheds and soil, erosion and buffer strips are all lessons learned from the Dust Bowl (that conventional agriculture is conveniently ignoring). And, none of it is applicable to indoor potted cultivation.

If it weren't so expensive, I'd already be certified.
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^^Never mind. It just clicked...I understand what you are saying now...
 
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ken dog said:
Feeding the soil, is the same thing as saying that you are feeding the microbes.
There is no difference.
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I didn't say there was. I know its same thing, I was pointing out the difference between feeding the plant and feeding the soil(microbes).
Synthetics nutes is force feeding your plants...which is usually used in hydro.
TLO is living organisms that live and die in soil, and the plants takes what it needs. I'm with ya Ken dog...
 
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Junk said:
Nothing. He is (wrongly) extending the definition of organic.

So if a plant in the wild was touched by a deer, is it no longer organic? What about a bear, a raccoon, or a human? If it is still organic, can someone explain to me the difference between the mammals that renders one plant organic, & one not?

At the supermarket, if you pick up some organic apples (assume they are truly organic) that someone else had touched, are they no longer organic?



You know I love you, (does your husband know? nm) but none of that has anything to do with being organic. A loose definition of organic just means naturally occuring (& I believe carbon based applies to earthly material) compounds that can be found in nature. You can bring them & use them anywhere you like. The light source, that's debatable. I think of it as more of an energy source. Because the sun, while being organic where it sits, by the time it reaches us is simply energy. Is it no longer organic to use another energy/light source? (I can see both sides of that one)

What you are talking about, to me, falls more under the definition of "Environmentally Friendly," not, organic.
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That's what I'm saying ...yeah.!!!
 
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Junk said:
You farm Gorillas? Can you send me one? ;) I will feed him & pet him...& I will call him George. (see if anyone get's that reference)
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caregiverken said:
this thread is funny
I grow organic and it's not a lot of work.
it's called kiss
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It depends on how organic you are...or where you draw the organic line.

Plus we are speaking in relative terms. Is it less work than running Microsoft? Yes. Is it less work than hydro? No (I've done both)

You may not think it a lot of work, but compared to other methods of growing, not only is it more work, it's significantly more difficult to "nail" it.

At least for me. From the pics I've seen you post, it seems like you have got it dialed. Good for you man (that's not sarcasm) but all the stuff involved, & then my space is indoors (no place to grow outdoors around here) it's a lot of transporting in & out, brewing teas, composting.

Currently, I just mix a large batch of 6 nutes in low ppm water & I'm done.
 
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Junk said:
Well, at least you aren't in denial lol. By the way, what is that strain in your avatar? She is a beast!
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I forgot lol
really I can't remember but its some sort of fluffy sativa..lol..
not really as heavy as it looks I don't want that kind of flowers anymore lol
they are too hard to trim :-)
 
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caregiverken said:
I forgot lol
really I can't remember but its some sort of fluffy sativa..lol..
not really as heavy as it looks I don't want that kind of flowers anymore lol
they are too hard to trim :)
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lol, you are looking at that picture & saying it's not really as heavy as it looks? You are either very hard on yourself, or your standards are extremely high. It's huge! & if it's not that heavy, it won't shrink that much either. Bravo.

I hear you on the fluffy buds though, & on the trimming. For me though, I hate ALL trimming.

But I refuse to trim with a machine. I want as many trichs as possible to stay in tact, & on the plant.
 
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