Buildasoil vs FFOF Soil: Indoor Side By Side Organic Grow Review

One of the Green Cookies pushed through today in the buildasoil! Excited for this little lady and the adventure that lyies ahead for her!

MajorToker said:

@Cityfarmin
This is awesome and I will be watching. I will save you some time with the conditioner. Its not necessary. Microbes will absorb chlorine and chloramine. You might get a few casualties but it feeds the system. Also why we don't need to pH. Humus is the great equalizer. It can even speed up the deconstruction of inorganic materials.

I actually just add a cup of compost to a gallon of water to dechlorinate in a pinch. I use this to apply nematodes.

You never want runoff. Even if it means 2 sessions per watering to allow soak up. Runoff is a puddle of available nutrients.

Most important is never wet/dry. You aim for moist at all times. In a 15g it should be taking a gallon every other day and maybe 1.5 when the plant is fully grown.

Teas are not required. Your soil is set bro. Humus holds everything your plant needs. Monthly top dresses of kelp meal and neem meal do the job.

Happy growing to you.

@brazel
I need some goodie bags bruh. Haha. I'm low on neem/karanja cake. :facepalm:

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This is some great info! Keep it coming!

I’ve been watering with a sprayer a little over a gallon per day with no run off since I was told not to allow that.

I was also reading that molasses removes the chlorine and chloramine. To just add some to your water, what are your thoughts on that?

I was thinking about making tea to foliage feed once a week, just for the extra support. Also for the experience of making them since I have 0 lol

Chlorine.
I collect rain water in pools for domestic and garden use.
For years I would add chlorine in an effort to control algae.
The mode of action, as I understand it, is that free Cl is very reactive.
Organic matter provides abundant reaction sites.
Once the chlorine bonds with an organic, it is effectively neutralized.
The damage bonded chlorine does is to disrupt the biological activity of whatever it bonds with.
I can assay free chlorine, and its concentration rapidly falls when there are abundant reactive sinks.

Chlorine is no longer a part of my water keeping process.
I now allow algae to grow and remove nutrients and carry them to the bottom when they age out.
Nutrients get sequestered in the bodies of the fallen, and further blooms are suppressed.
This is the story I'm telling myself, based on observation.

Subbed!! Looking forward to the comparison

MajorToker said:

Never heard the molasses thing. You can water with chlorinated water. I only distill for nematodes and BTI. Bubble 24 hours with air stone. Lately i have been using rain water for such things.

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What are BTI and nematodes??

I’m really new to this and would love all the info I can get to better understand and grow these ladies

Has anyone heard of “fluxing”??

I’m teally interested in it, please if anyon has read about it or has done it or knows someone who has throw that information my way!!

Irietime said:

Subbed!! Looking forward to the comparison

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Great to hear!!!

I love your IG bro!

Any useful info on either medium would be great!!

MajorToker said:

@Cityfarmin
BTI is a bacteria that effectively infects soil borne pestilence such as fungus gnats. As it feeds on the infected host it secretes toxins and enzymes into it.

nematodes...same principle. Both are parasitic to what is parasitic to your plant. A nematode is a parasitic round worm.

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Ok I need to read up on that, any books I can download you recommend ?

Bacillus thuringenses israliensis (sp.) BTI produces a protective kernel of toxins when it sporulates.
These toxins are known to cause digestive troubles for gnat larva.

Dunge said:

Bacillus thuringenses israliensis (sp.) BTI produces a protective kernel of toxins when it sporulates.
These toxins are known to cause digestive troubles for gnat larva.

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Sick!

So how would I go about obtaining them? Might I have to make a compost tea, or what methods can I use to create/breed? Is that the proper term? In order to make them and introduce them to my soil. Sorry for the lack of knowledge in advance

Gnatrol is BTi
There are re-sellers on ebay who break tubs down into small orders for a reasonable price.

Dunge said:

Gnatrol is BTi
There are re-sellers on ebay who break tubs down into small orders for a reasonable price.

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What about nematodes ??

Cityfarmin said:

What about nematodes ??

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There are many varieties of nematodes available.
I have tried a few with no noticeable results against my gnat larva.

Mosquito dunks or pellets are bti and cheap at any hardware store,they eat it and it fubars their digestive system and they die in a few days,usually you mix with your normal watering.The problem with water is not chlorine it's the chloramine some water companies add,chlorine easy to get out,chloramines harder.Check online at your water company they should have an analysis posted.

Today’s update 11/13/17

(DAY3)

BUILD-A-SOIL
I can see the first true leaves of the seedling. I watered with 1 gallon of plain tap water using a hand pumped sprayer so I don’t hurt the seedling/cover crop. There was no run off which is a great thing and the soil seems to be nice and moist.

One thing I noticed is the seedling seems to be stretching a little bit, not sure if that’s good. The stem is almost 2 inches from the soil, I might just be over reacting, any thoughts? I was thinking about moving the T5 fixture lower. It’s sitting 19 inches above the pot right now and I was thinking about dropping it down to 8-10 inches. Let me know what you guys think.

The white Dutch cover crop is starting to show and looks really nice.

(DAY 3)

FOX FARM OCEAN FOREST (FFOF)

The seed still hasn’t pushed through, so I don’t if that’s a sign but day 3 and still nothing. I planted them at the same time so yea.. I’m hoping to see something tomorrow. Today I just watered with 1 gal plain tap water using the hand pump sprayer just so I can keep the soil moist for the seed, the soil is not soaked but just moist. Should I be using plain water or should I PH the water for the (FFOF) grow?
Anyways guess we just have to wait and see what happens. I have some more seeds and a few clones of black cherry soda if things don’t workout for the seed in this pot. That just means I’ll have to remove my seedling from the other pot and replace it with the clone and just do the side by side grow with clones, I hope that not situation though.

Here’s some pics,

The geo pot with the sprouted seedling is the BUIL-A-SOIL grow

The empty growers pot is the FOX FARM OCEAN FOREST grow.


So the first and last pic is of the seedling in BUILDASOIL

The middle pic is of the FOX FARM OCEAN FOREST

Dunge said:

There are many varieties of nematodes available.
I have tried a few with no noticeable results against my gnat larva.

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As of right now, I don’t have any gnats.

Let’s keep our fingers crossed that I never do! Lol

So far only my first grow I had gnats and I got rid of them within a few days.

I really hate pest in my tents unless I put them there to battle other pest lol

Ocean Forrest is pretty hot for seedlings,try starting in Solo cups of happy frog or light warrior and transplanting into the OF.

Day 4

BUILDASOIL


The seedling is doing great, and the cover crop is really starting to show now. I watered with 1 gal of plain tap water and the soil is nice and moist. I’m keeping the temp inside the tent at 73 degrees and the RH is at 50-60% so all seems to be going well.

Day 4

FOX FARM OCEAN FOREST

The seeds still haven’t popped through the soil yet. I still watered them with 1 gal of plain tap water. I know their doing alright though case I saw they all have some tails, but as far as sprouting... nothing yet. I have a Hindu Kush seed in a peat pellet Incase the seeds don’t make it, just a back up plan and if they do sprout I’ll put the Hindu Kush in the DWC bucket I bought, been wanting to try it out anyways.

That’s really all for now, gonna read some stuff on compost and teas

Day 5

No change in either soil.


On a good note, my black cherry soda clones landed and my pack of seeds!

I’m excited to see how they turn out. I’m kinda addicted to growing now lol

I have 8 plants in flower, 4 of them just went into the tent so I’m not sure if their males or females.

I have the 3 black cherry soda clones that I just threw in some soil till I can get to them tomorrow.

The 2 pots I’m doing the side by side run


1 Hindu Kush seed I’m waiting to pop that’s in peat pellet right now and lastly 2 gorilla glue clones that should be rooted by the en of this week.


I gotta make a few more threads here lol

Freshone said:

Ocean Forrest is pretty hot for seedlings,try starting in Solo cups of happy frog or light warrior and transplanting into the OF.

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Exactly
If you didn' "lighten" it any, I'm betting the ffof seeds won't sprout. If I don' add enough perlite to my DOG, shit burns my clones when I pot them.from my aero cloner