Crop K. Seeds Black Domina 4x4 DWC

Moe.Red · Dec 11, 2022

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Keep trolling me and see what happens. You know I have superpowers here even if I don't at home.

You guys see what I put up with at home? That's my wife that joined the forum just to troll me when I spend too much time doing cannabis things. Not sure if there is even a word for joining a forum just to henpeck your husband? Actually, I can think of one or 2...

ninjadip · Dec 11, 2022

Moe.Red said:
Naw man I'm not frustrated at all. I just dont wanna be the guy who its my way or the highway and I know everything. Far from it. There are only a few absolutes in cannabis growing. The rest is all grey. Shit I'm saying today will likely be proven wrong tomorrow.

I'm doing a major project with the wife. I'll be back in a bit and lay it out for you in yet another long winded preachy post. I encourage you to question everything I am saying and do your own thing.

Ok I am questioning and researching enzymes today. Never new about their application in growing.

So you recommended hygrozyme. I've looked up that one and a bunch of others. Very hard to find concrete comparisons of various products. It seems hygrozyme and canazyme are the two most popular and that canazyme has more enzymes but is not organic.

And now I'm finding Humboldt's prozyme has over 80 enzymes and is cheaper than the other two.

I am about to pull the trigger on the prozyme, but wanted your opinion first.

ninjadip · Dec 11, 2022

re Water source: I am using city tap water that is filtered through an rv hose filter (kdf 80 i think) that claims to eliminate chloramines

Justlovetogrow · Dec 11, 2022

Moe.Red said:
Keep trolling me and see what happens. You know I have superpowers here even if I don't at home.

You guys see what I put up with at home? That's my wife that joined the forum just to troll me when I spend too much time doing cannabis things. Not sure if there is even a word for joining a forum just to henpeck your husband? Actually, I can think of one or 2...

I think it’s awesome ya got ya wife on here mate mines like oh on thc farmer again I see

my beautiful partner loves to smoke up buds hash oil nothing is safe here but growing unless they flowers out the front yard she has no interest, she did help me trim once though

ninjadip · Dec 11, 2022

ninjadip said:
Ok I am questioning and researching enzymes today. Never new about their application in growing.

So you recommended hygrozyme. I've looked up that one and a bunch of others. Very hard to find concrete comparisons of various products. It seems hygrozyme and canazyme are the two most popular and that canazyme has more enzymes but is not organic.

And now I'm finding Humboldt's prozyme has over 80 enzymes and is cheaper than the other two.

I am about to pull the trigger on the prozyme, but wanted your opinion first.

@Moe.Red Just realized that enzymes work in a set, how each one will work on one thing, like a lock and key. So it doesn't really matter how many enzymes are there per se, as long as the right ones are there. I did see this demonstration of Canazyme vs Hygrozyme, the conclusion in that one was that the Canazyme broke down the dead root material a few days faster than Hygrozyme. But both worked, and it was cool seeing it.

Cannazym vs. Hygrozyme: Battle for the Roots

fifthseasongardening.com

Your recommendation of Hygrozyme lets me know that that one works for sure, this study confirms that. All i really care about is if the right enzymes are there to break down dead root material, which the "study"( I say that loosely, doesn't look too scientific) confirms. So now it's between Hygrozyme and Canazyme.

Moe.Red · Dec 11, 2022

ninjadip said:
Ok I am questioning and researching enzymes today. Never new about their application in growing.

So you recommended hygrozyme. I've looked up that one and a bunch of others. Very hard to find concrete comparisons of various products. It seems hygrozyme and canazyme are the two most popular and that canazyme has more enzymes but is not organic.

And now I'm finding Humboldt's prozyme has over 80 enzymes and is cheaper than the other two.

I am about to pull the trigger on the prozyme, but wanted your opinion first.

Here's what I know about enzymes. When I was using h2o2 hygrozyme would clean the roots immediately. Like prep a 5 gallon bucket with a concentrated dose and plop your roots in and stir it around and when you pull it out they would be white.

I started with hygrozyme because that's what my buddy at the grow shop had on the shelf.

From what I have seen they all work.

I don't know if taking your roots from pink stained to glowing white in 5 minutes is a good thing. Feels good to the stupid human doing it, but I don't actually know what I am doing. I quit using it years ago when I went live.

Moe.Red · Dec 11, 2022

Justlovetogrow said:
I think it’s awesome ya got ya wife on here mate mines like oh on thc farmer again I see my beautiful partner loves to smoke up buds hash oil nothing is safe here but growing unless they flowers out the front yard she has no interest, she did help me trim once though

Mine's kinda 50% sassy 50% spicy and she's the reason I started all this. Migraines. She gives cannabis a 6/10 in it's application for migraine. Says does not take care of pain but makes her not care as much.

ninjadip · Dec 12, 2022

Moe.Red said:
Here's what I know about enzymes. When I was using h2o2 hygrozyme would clean the roots immediately. Like prep a 5 gallon bucket with a concentrated dose and plop your roots in and stir it around and when you pull it out they would be white.

I started with hygrozyme because that's what my buddy at the grow shop had on the shelf.

From what I have seen they all work.

I don't know if taking your roots from pink stained to glowing white in 5 minutes is a good thing. Feels good to the stupid human doing it, but I don't actually know what I am doing. I quit using it years ago when I went live.

I bought some cannazym. Whether I go live or not I really need something like this to clean my media in between grows. I couldn't get all the dead roots out last time, was just picking them all out by hand and rinsing using a massive strainer. Which by not 100% cleaning would also encourage root rot in this grow. Ugh never knew something like this existed.

Zombierider · Dec 12, 2022

@Moe.Red Sup! I think I asked too many questions and this one slipped by, but its been hard for me to find an answer so...I'll take a shot at posting on here. If I should PM these question's lemme know, but I assume others would like to know this stuff too.

Anyway: when you say to go double pink, but nix the calmag, for more terps, do you do so from flip to flush? My water is 40ppm, so Im not sure if I should still add calmag if I run double pink? And I also run floraliscous plus all the way till late bloom, I think you said u dont like Flora P for the extra N?

I hate to bother/ask people stuff, but I also realize the value in expert opinion. There must be some resource for me to learn NPK ratios to properly mix up recipes? Im looking into Jacks and their water testing/npk ratio service to get my feet wet. https://www.jacksnutrients.com/city-municipal-or-wellwater

Ive be running: armor si, calmag, micro gro bloom, flora P, koolbloom

SweetLeafGrow · Dec 12, 2022

Moe.Red said:
I have never been successful helping someone in trouble with AN nutes. And there have been a few. @SweetLeafGrow struggled for quite a while trying to get his system balanced and ended up switching nutes to gh and now he is friggin killing it. I think it’s his 4th grow and looks like a pro. AN is some weird “black box” just put it in and trust us and don’t measure ph or anything kinda nute - I just can’t wrap my head around it and advise steer clear. Seems to me there is enough of a learning curve already no need to make your job harder with mystery bottles.

Thanks Bro for the nice words, couldn't have done it without you and the Aman! Ya, and I also switched in the middle of flower and saved the grow. The Mac Dragon is only my 2nd hydro grow and I do feel pretty good about it so far. Love me some fly fishin!

Yea, I would not recommend AN to anyone after my experience with them.

Moe.Red · Dec 12, 2022

Zombierider said:
@Moe.Red Sup! I think I asked too many questions and this one slipped by, but its been hard for me to find an answer so...I'll take a shot at posting on here. If I should PM these question's lemme know, but I assume others would like to know this stuff too.

Anyway: when you say to go double pink, but nix the calmag, for more terps, do you do so from flip to flush? My water is 40ppm, so Im not sure if I should still add calmag if I run double pink? And I also run floraliscous plus all the way till late bloom, I think you said u dont like Flora P for the extra N?

I hate to bother/ask people stuff, but I also realize the value in expert opinion. There must be some resource for me to learn NPK ratios to properly mix up recipes? Im looking into Jacks and their water testing/npk ratio service to get my feet wet. https://www.jacksnutrients.com/city-municipal-or-wellwater

Ive be running: armor si, calmag, micro gro bloom, flora P, koolbloom

No need to PM, we can do this live.

First, let me explain that I am not saying "double up the pink for terps" and that is what I would do. What I do is watch the plants very carefully and try to adjust my nutes to the needs of the cultivar. They vary widely. If you find that you are in flower and you think that additional P&K are needed to keep up with the plant needs, I would add more pink rather than go to KoolBloom, because the pink stuff has sulfur which helps with terps. I'm not saying double up the pink on every grow, just if you need more PK then you might as well get the sulfur too.

How do you know what the plant needs? Experience. Reading and watching others who are doing well. And posting great pics and asking for feedback. You can totally overdo it with pink and make things worse too.

Calmag - by the time you are in flower where the added PK is needed, you should be tapering off or eliminating cal mag.

You are not bothering me, and I am not an expert. Not when it comes to NPK ratios - I gotta start with a baseline and then stare at the plants to try to figure out what if anything to adjust. It will be different based on genetics and media. Jacks is pretty cool tho, and I'm still learning all the ins and outs. You might find this helpful:

HydroBuddy v1.100 : The First Free Open Source Hydroponic Nutrient Calculator Program Available Online – Science in Hydroponics

scienceinhydroponics.com

Armor SI is good, and does well with buffering PH. You locked in what all that means and how to set PH?

ninjadip · Dec 13, 2022

I'm a nerd and love some crafting! Didn't know until it recently, but so much fun high! You ever seen a $20 bill.... On weed?!?? Lol

Anyways, I made some custom shot glasses for our Christmas party. This is the one I made for myself!

Hidey ho!

ninjadip · Dec 14, 2022

@Moe.Red alright don't hate me, but I pulled the trigger on going hydro sterile. Before I show the financial math, I'm convinced in my head that small micro doses (every hour) of h202 won't be that "harmful", or maybe radical is a better word in this sense, for the system.

I bought a cyclic timer and another peristaltic pump. I will time it out to give 1ml of h202 every hour. Here is the math, help me out if this needs tweaking.

I have 9, 5 gallon buckets in rwdc, I average about a 3.5 gallon fill level, or roughly 30 total gallons reservoir. I rounded down to be on the safe side.

This is all for 3% H202, Hydrogen peroxide dosing is always listed in diluted form.

I read that a moderate dose is 3ml of H202 per gallon, which should be repeated every 5 days.

Recommended dose
3ml / gallon every 5 days(it is active for 4)

I have 30 gallons reservoir.
So,
90ml H202 every 4/5 days.
If quartered, that comes out to 22.5mL/day

Or about 1ml/hr, that is an easy goal to achieve in pump and timer. Ideally this will keep H202 at low enough, constant levels to kill just enough pythium for a great maintenance free system. No cleaning drip rings hopefully.

So for the costs...
If we figure 1mL/hr that's 8760 mL of 3% H202 a year.
I just bought 128oz of 35% food grade H202 for $50, free shipping. That will make (11x math) 41639mL of diluted 3% H202. Or enough to last me 4.75 years at a cost of $50.

As far as the controversy behind sterile vs live, for me it's just about being stress free for me. I'm sure I'm only a couple tweaks away from getting live to work, but I'm tired of the guessing. Small amounts of hydrogen peroxide do exist naturally, so maybe my system of small micro doses isn't that unnatural...

Idk but in the very least we can call it another experiment that might help someone else in the future.

ninjadip · Dec 16, 2022

Closing in

ninjadip · Dec 19, 2022

I just watched this video, it's 2 years old but I have never seen such a scientific analysis of flushing vs not flushing than this. Real science.

Does Flushing work? Is Flushing plants a myth?

https://www.rxgreentechnologies.com/rxgt_trials/flushing-trial/https://www.rxgreentechnologies.com/An interview with scientists from RXGreen Technologies to ...

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Moe.Red · Dec 19, 2022

ninjadip said:
I just watched this video, it's 2 years old but I have never seen such a scientific analysis of flushing vs not flushing than this. Real science.

Does Flushing work? Is Flushing plants a myth?

https://www.rxgreentechnologies.com/rxgt_trials/flushing-trial/https://www.rxgreentechnologies.com/An interview with scientists from RXGreen Technologies to ...

youtu.be

Can't watch at the moment, can you TLDR it for us?

ninjadip · Dec 19, 2022

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Moe.Red said:
Can't watch at the moment, can you TLDR it for us?

Ah, I had to Google that term. But I got you, it is long, and could be better summed up.
"Statistically there is no difference from a scientific analysis of mineral content, terpenes, thc content, or flavor between 14, 10, 7, and 0 day flushes before harvest"

In the video they show many graphs and explain their methods, with Shane from Migro as a kind of moderator.

So at first one could say that there is no benefit to flushing, but the better take away is that there is a very negligible difference between feeding the last two weeks and not feeding. So if there is near zero difference, like 1% between all the various comparisons, why waste money feeding the last two weeks when you don't have to.

One interesting point I haven't seen before is that flushing in a coco mix medium can actually raise some mineral content as others are lowered.

I can see people having a different take away than myself from that, but to me that's how I take it. If there isn't any negligible difference between them, why waste money on nutes when it makes zero to little difference.

Moe.Red · Dec 19, 2022

ninjadip said:
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Ah, I had to Google that term. But I got you, it is long, and could be better summed up.
"Statistically there is no difference from a scientific analysis of mineral content, terpenes, thc content, or flavor between 14, 10, 7, and 0 day flushes before harvest"

In the video they show many graphs and explain their methods, with Shane from Migro as a kind of moderator.

So at first one could say that there is no benefit to flushing, but the better take away is that there is a very negligible difference between feeding the last two weeks and not feeding. So if there is near zero difference, like 1% between all the various comparisons, why waste money feeding the last two weeks when you don't have to.

I can see people having a different take away than myself from that, but to me that's how I take it. If there isn't any negligible difference between them, why waste money on nutes when it makes zero to little difference.

Interesting. What was the grow style? Dirt?

The definition of flushing being used here is stopping feeding only, not actively removing nutes correct? Flushing is not dumping the res in a RDWC and refilling with RO - the extreme example of actively removing nutes.

I’m on cell atm but later I can link you a study that shows literal flushing like dumping just water over soil to significant drain off is detrimental. Bugbee discusses this in a really long video interview too. I think it’s 1.5 hours long. I can dig that up later too. TLDR on that stuff is you are negatively effecting your harvest in multiple ways with that practice.

Somewhere in the middle might be the best. Idk for sure but I feed until harvest.

ninjadip · Dec 19, 2022

Moe.Red said:
Interesting. What was the grow style? Dirt?

The definition of flushing being used here is stopping feeding only, not actively removing nutes correct? Flushing is not dumping the res in a RDWC and refilling with RO - the extreme example of actively removing nutes.

I’m on cell atm but later I can link you a study that shows literal flushing like dumping just water over soil to significant drain off is detrimental. Bugbee discusses this in a really long video interview too. I think it’s 1.5 hours long. I can dig that up later too. TLDR on that stuff is you are negatively effecting your harvest in multiple ways with that practice.

Somewhere in the middle might be the best. Idk for sure but I feed until harvest.

This was coco I believe. Yeah, water, I don't remember hearing about any flushing agents. They do talk about how the plant can still take up nutrients in the end but that cannabis has a very controlled system on nute distribution. That while they plant is taking up nutrients, they aren't necessarily going into the flowers per se, but other parts of the plant.

Yeah I've watched bigbee's video about it too. I'm not trying to advocate flushing, not by a long shot. But that aggressive feeding near the end is just a waste of money.

I think the best is just tapering the feed off near the end gradually, but what do I know I'm still green.

I just thought that that video was very interesting, a little winded, but still good.

Moe.Red · Dec 19, 2022

ninjadip said:
This was coco I believe. Yeah, water, I don't remember hearing about any flushing agents. They do talk about how the plant can still take up nutrients in the end but that cannabis has a very controlled system on nute distribution. That while they plant is taking up nutrients, they aren't necessarily going into the flowers per se, but other parts of the plant.

Yeah I've watched bigbee's video about it too. I'm not trying to advocate flushing, not by a long shot. But that aggressive feeding near the end is just a waste of money.

I think the best is just tapering the feed off near the end gradually, but what do I know I'm still green.

I just thought that that video was very interesting, a little winded, but still good.

I’ll watch the whole thing when I have some time.

There are excellent growers that do this on purpose. Often you see folks post colorful fade type photos that are a result of stopping nutes at the end. You can clearly go either way and we might be just talking about grow styles and picking fly shit outta pepper. Both work pick whichever style you like better.

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