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...it be so 'cause I says so"............ " Rolling and tumbling" , want to start there? See funny games of dozens and stuff are all nice , but I * don't do bullshit* when it comes to firearms. PERIOD. We can't afford bullshit , we're losing our rights quickly enough in this arena. Examine...

...allie. Fact remains that you didn't come into this in a " civil" manner , you came roaring in basically telling us we are all stupid and that *you* know it all , and in my case I am setting here on four freaking decades worth of logs in .45 acp and have likely owned more sidearms ( and a...

Here M.H. , take a deep breathe and ponder this link.....which by the way would be a good source , though expensive. Note that *no* defensively oriented or hunting ammunition is loaded with FMJ ( hardball)...

...just ever so much smarter etc. than any of those stupid balistics folks , firearms and ammunition developers , active competitors etc.etc. This *was* decent discussion prior to your little ' I be de bestest" act. Other than that quit talking and do , not that it'll do you much good since...

What happened to that 15 years as your primary hunting weapon. And rather odd that you can't come up with all that evidence backing your stance. You cane in making blanket erroneous statements with no basis in reality , and doing so as if they were the indusputable truth , they aren't...

...And yup I'll " follow through" will you boy? You;re already looking for sidetracks and ways out of this. And what does weed have to do with *this* arguement , not that it's not a subject that you'd not be equally out of your depth on. NICE,,,,,BVwahahahahaaaa,,,,,,,,,,,,, you...

Blah , blah blah..whatever there fake Boy , you're fulla shit and both you and I know it. You know fuck all about " hunting and killing game" , dump your ass in the bush and you'd be lost without your case of bud. For " city folk" , typical of an excuse making peckerwood punk , you have...

Crawfish some more ya idiot , you will never get past the facts , hardball is overpenetrative for urban DLP usage. Find me a SINGLE dept , Shooting school etc recommending hardball for the purpose . One will suffice. Again you're an irresponsible idiot handing out patently dangerous "...

Oh and by the Way there Miss Chronically Unhip ..........your crap advice is DANGEROUS to any who would take it as Gospel. Just what folks need in an apartment building , some damned fool cutting loose with a mag of hardball. Again DANGEROUS , along with highly irresponsible. I do however...

...And you came into a fairly serious and quite civil conversation in a hig and might and denigratory manner..........spouting erroneous *bullshit* , refutable *bullshit* as if it were gospel truth. And now your butt is chapped at being called on it. You're a wimp without the stonies to...

...where you got the notions. Bluntly , you're completely incorrect. Think about this logically , is the most efficient way of cutting through the air ***accurately*** " rolling and tumbling"? Think you'll hit diddly squat via " rolling and tumbling"? If so then let me disabuse you of that...

Yeah , well Dank is being *nice*. Me ? That's a different story , I don't much care for folks who rattle and howl and yet don't know shit from shinola on the subject they walked in on. And if you'd *EVER* , " shot meat" within the framework you're attempting to sell if on you'd be keeping...

...and kill 'em with .45 acp" , at least shitcan it around me because it's pure D B U L L S H I T. If ya want a shitload of .45 acp loading that *actually* work , say the word and I'll overload you. , but quit promoting myths.....if ya don't then I'll have to destroy every one of 'em right...

Start it. And learn from the Tea Parties mistakes , don't let it get co-opted and don't bow and scrape so as to maintain 501c3 status.

...one thread with it. And Squig , not to pull the age card , but learn to listen when old men say certain things. I stated categorically that I ** will NOT live in a theocracy** , now extrapolate from the rest of the available information just how far I am willing to go to prevent that...

By the way , The Big Four includes LDS. And I really don't want to hear any shit about it because at this point I'll deconstruct the Book of Mormon , Pearl of Great Price and Tenets and covenants. The other three ....Christian Science ( Mary Baker Eddy) , WatchTower ( The...

...Go research Maranatha for Christ's sake and get back to me on the private prison industry within the Golden State. And in the end Squig , *you* are bitching about what you *might* lose. And I've already told you that I agree. Now me weill it's about not only what I might lose but also...

One would hope the above is what transpires , that said it may well be later than we think and we'd do well to be prepared.

The 'net of course , in todays world the 'Net goes down best learn how to use a HAM radio , an older one. Knowledge is power , communication is key to dissemination of knowledge. Extrapolate from there.

Squig , would you *kindly* quit pushing the Christianity button with me? It should have become obvious to you that I am going out of my way *not* to upset Christian adherents present here. At the risk of sounding arrogant , I'm rather notorious in certain circles and have sent several of the "...