If the original cup winner was NL5xhazeC/skunkxhazeC and MNS sells NL5xhazeC/skunkxhazeC seeds then who is selling the real deal?
The area for improvement was not the NL5xHz mother, SB already has cuttings of the best ever produced. The improvement would be in the SKxHz father. Later Skunk versions that were crossed with the Haze were far superior to the Skunk Hazes of the '80s.
As I have said before, inbreeding Haze especially to the same Haze ancestor leads to a greater incidence of the cat piss pheno. The Diesel or fuel like smells are an intermediate stage. NH also has more fuel type offspring than the 5Hz, but not as many as a plant inbred to HzC. NL5HzA had darker flavours than NL5HzC, but I wouldn't call it diesel.
Nevil
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The Black Haze is more of "Piff" meaning it's a Haze with mixed flavors
jj-NYC
There are many different versions of the NYC Haze, ranging from floral Thai to cat piss and everything in between. I know the cat piss pheno. The black Haze is not this pheno but it has hints of cat piss and Thai and could pass as a NYC Haze if it's not already. It smokes very strong and fills up the room with that classic haze smell and can hang with any NYC Haze
jj-NYC
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donjuan
hey manic, lovely to see people working with the black..ive been smoking the black since i was a teenager. when done right and taken 90-100 its hands down the most fire herb ive smoked..i was able get a cut years back, and i used cs to reverse it and i made the black s1's along with other crossed ...the black X nycd x casey jones, the black X C99..youll be happy to hear the black dominates everything its crossed with, especially in smell and taste, i grew out 75 of the black X nycd x cj and not 1 tasted like the mom it was all THE BLACK...it is also one of the most stable strain ive grown wont nanner for anything..if anyone is thinking about getting anything with the black in it DO IT...this herb is other worldy, it taste better than any elite ive ever tried.. i think it might be an extreme haze dom pheno of an old NL x Haze cross..anyway here are some pics of the black s1's outdoors
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donjuan is a fkn thief. karma's a bitch and will catch up to him in the end...
e.t.
Black Haze ( grown by Duan Juan )