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3x3 Organic ScrOG (Rainbow Guava)

Been USEING the recharge and drops of balance.. But I have been having pH issues I got some good advice from Eldin 6.5 during veg let it go to 7.0 during flower I said 6,2 for veg and 6,5 for flower but 7 is okay in organic too. You really dont need to...
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Been USEING the recharge and drops of balance.. But I have been having pH issues I got some good advice from Eldin 6.5 during veg let it go to 7.0 during flower
I said 6,2 for veg and 6,5 for flower but 7 is okay in organic too. You really dont need to do it in organic but it helps nutrient intake. Like I said too, many people will disagree with me here and say that you dont have to PH water for organic, and its true, you dont have to, but in my opinion is a little help. Specially if you are using 7 gallons or less pots, the PH buffers wont last all grow if your water is highly alkaline for example, they degrade. If you are growing in 10-20gal then sure, dont ever worry about ph, but in my case I do, I think it helps a little bit based on observation but you know, thats just what I think.
 
One clear example was you @mike375 , your runoff was coming at 6ph and you have ph buffers in the soil, your soil has dolomite lime and another thing I cant remember.
And I had problems before I started phing my tap water, highly alkaline, close to 9. Ive seen its even worse in some parts of the UK with 9,5ph in the tap water. I wouldnt water with that without phing first honestly. But if your tap water comes at 7 ph youre fine, or even 7,5.
Any ph below 5,5 and above 8 is quite bad for soil microorganisms so nutrients aside, you might be merming the population too if your PH is off. They regulate the PH in the rhizosphere, but if theyre being showered with bad PH thats gonna affect them.
 
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If you search in google it will say that you dont have to ph your water if youre doing only water but check where that auto response comes from:

StayWeeded 5y ago
If you’re doing an organic, water only grow, you shouldn’t have to pH anything. As long as it’s between 4.0-8.0, you should be fine. I do make a habit of checking anyway so I know and I only adjust if it’s too high or low. I have a chlorine/chloramine filter on my tap that brings my pH up to around 8.0. In that case I’ll adjust it to bring down somewhere between 6.0-7.0.

"As long as it’s between 4.0-8.0, you should be fine"
Hell no, 4 ph? Also notice how the guy says its okay but then he makes sure his ph goes to 6-7 instead of 8... thats not doing what youre saying. 4 ph will obliterate your microorganisms and probably cause aluminium toxicity in your plant if youre using a peat soil. PH buffers dont magically change the PH of your water in one second, they stabilize it after a while when its been sitting in the soil so going with 4 ph is very, very, very poor advice, but its still the top response in google.
Just showing this because you cant always trust google, even though I use it a lot, when I dont know if what Im reading is true I always make sure to check the sources from where google took the info from to give me an auto response.
 
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Sorry as a last thing to say about the subject, because I see it coming... yes I know that you can grow proper weed without phing your water in organic (unless its highly alkaline or acidic) but you can also get proper weed without using additional microorganisms right? Is not about can or cant, its about whats best for the plant and how much will it yield rather than if its gonna have problems or not. A plant can be perfectly healthy but not be used at its full potential.
 
Shit... I thought it was over but it isnt. So like I said, ph buffers and microorganisms will regulate the ph for you but they can only do so much, specially in small and medium sized pots. But even then, the microorganisms mosly live in the rhizosphere which is the zone inmediatly surrounding plant roots. The rest of the roots rely more on ph buffers and proper ph. The rhizosphere IS NOT all the root system, just the borders like I said. You can increase microorganism population outside the rhizosphere by adding stuff like expanded clay pebbles or pine tree bark, they love living inside there too. So much to say about one topic... and Im leaving stuff for sure. So yes, the roots do benefit from you phing the water to optimal nute intake levels, which in the case of peat soil is 6,2 veg 6,5 flower.
 
Your ladies looks healthy man, as long as you can keep the right environment and enough food for them it should be a great run. I also recommend pumice instead of perlite for future use, since perlite floats to the top. Pumice is better for long term use.

I see you lowered the lights, that’s fine in veg, as long as you can ramp it up slowly to its peak (as much as she can handle) during mid flower before lowering the intensity again.

Eventually you can start looking into mulching and whatnot. Things like malted barley, rice hulls, etc. check out Build a soil and Clackamas Coots

What size pots are you using?

I’m still learning something new everyday with this style which is why I love it so much
I am in 5 gallon bags,,This is my 3rd grow 1st organic run..So I am just getting my feet wet..There is a learning curve..Thank God for YouTube and forums like this..Ive gotten some good advice from folks who are doing this and this isn't there first rodeo ..So I'm learning as I grow..poke around and you hear about earth box's and cover crops biochar pest management etc etc what a great hobby
 
I said 6,2 for veg and 6,5 for flower but 7 is okay in organic too. You really dont need to do it in organic but it helps nutrient intake. Like I said too, many people will disagree with me here and say that you dont have to PH water for organic, and its true, you dont have to, but in my opinion is a little help. Specially if you are using 7 gallons or less pots, the PH buffers wont last all grow if your water is highly alkaline for example, they degrade. If you are growing in 10-20gal then sure, dont ever worry about ph, but in my case I do, I think it helps a little bit based on observation but you know, thats just what I think.
Thanks for pointing out the right ph,s
 
One clear example was you @mike375 , your runoff was coming at 6ph and you have ph buffers in the soil, your soil has dolomite lime and another thing I cant remember.
And I had problems before I started phing my tap water, highly alkaline, close to 9. Ive seen its even worse in some parts of the UK with 9,5ph in the tap water. I wouldnt water with that without phing first honestly. But if your tap water comes at 7 ph youre fine, or even 7,5.
Any ph below 5,5 and above 8 is quite bad for soil microorganisms so nutrients aside, you might be merming the population too if your PH is off. They regulate the PH in the rhizosphere, but if theyre being showered with bad PH thats gonna affect them.
Interesting, I always thought measuring runoff Ph in soil was useless since soil breaks down and there are a lot of ‘extras’ that come out with the runoff, and so a reading would not be all that accurate to what’s really happening in the soil. But I’ve never done it, and this is an area you seem to know more about. The thing you say about pot size buffering capabilities makes a lot of sense.
 
Interesting, I always thought measuring runoff Ph in soil was useless since soil breaks down and there are a lot of ‘extras’ that come out with the runoff, and so a reading would not be all that accurate to what’s really happening in the soil. But I’ve never done it, and this is an area you seem to know more about. The thing you say about pot size buffering capabilities makes a lot of sense.
That is true, the PH that comes out with the runoff is not gonna be the PH of the soil because there are non solubles in the soil with their own ph and ph buffers but watering to the point that you get a runoff of 6 is not good in small pots because specially if it tends to go to the acidic side, ph buffers degrade quicker but that was his choice to use that PH, I did not think that through... In any case I do ph my water and its really easy because I already know that I need 3 droplets of ph down from GH to bring it down to 6,5 with the jugs I use so it takes me no time at all to do so. Will it make a huge difference that more than the rhizosphere is closer to an optimal uptake for nutrients? I dont think so, but I think it does make a difference.
 
That is true, the PH that comes out with the runoff is not gonna be the PH of the soil because there are non solubles in the soil with their own ph and ph buffers but watering to the point that you get a runoff of 6 is not good in small pots because specially if it tends to go to the acidic side, ph buffers degrade quicker but that was his choice to use that PH, I did not think that through... In any case I do ph my water and its really easy because I already know that I need 3 droplets of ph down from GH to bring it down to 6,5 with the jugs I use so it takes me no time at all to do so. Will it make a huge difference that more than the rhizosphere is closer to an optimal uptake for nutrients? I dont think so, but I think it does make a difference.
In my case I used the rapid rooter pH test small sample of soil from 3 inchs down a tablet you sprinkel in ten RO H2O shake and wait for a few minutes match the color to the chart sorry if I caused any confusion
 
In my case I used the rapid rooter pH test small sample of soil from 3 inchs down a tablet you sprinkel in ten RO H2O shake and wait for a few minutes match the color to the chart sorry if I caused any confusion
No, the confusion was mine. You were purposely watering with 6 ph right? In which case getting a runoff of 6 is normal and doesnt necessarily mean your soil is at 6ph in organic.
 
Soil Biology and pH by Jeff Lowenfels

The success of the AeroGarden, the first plug-and-grow aeroponic kitchen appliance, is testament to the fact that ordinary people do not understand the concept of pH and don't want to deal with it in their growing situations. Make it so you can practice hydroponics without this chemistry barrier and they will come, apparently.

Frankly, the concept of pH also confuses soil gardeners. Heck, the definition of pH was inadvertently reversed in my book "Teaming With Microbes: A Gardener's Guide to the Soil Food Web." (Yes, some readers noticed; I received two "you made a mistake" notes. But that's not as many as I thought I'd receive.) Fortunately, the mistake was corrected in time for the second printing.

In any case, soil gardeners have been told certain plants require acidic conditions- for example, rhododendrons and azaleas- or else they won't grow. The solution advocated by most experienced gardeners is not dissimilar from what a hydroponics grower would do: adjust the pH with chemicals, such as agricultural lime, to make the soil more alkaline. To make alkaline soil more acid, we are told to add sulfur. Because they are chemical changes, these solutions work for a short time. But to me pH is a biological matter.

A bit of quick pH review is in order (if only to make amends for the mistake in my book). You may remember that pH is a measure of the acidity or alkalinity of a solution on a scale of 1 to 14; 1 being most acidic and 14 being most alkaline. A more technical description is that pH is the measurement of the concentration of hydrogen ions, H+. If you have lots of H+, the pH is low, or acidic. If you have few of them, the pH is high, or alkaline.

If you are adding fertilizers and using chemicals, you are stuck in the chemical realm. Organic gardeners, soil food webbies in particular, realize that pH has more to do with biology than it does with chemistry. That's because of the way plant roots take up nutrients. Root hair surfaces are covered with positive electrical hydrogen cations. Think of these charges as ping-pong balls. If soil particles are small enough, their surfaces are covered by these ping-pong ball charges, both positive (cation) charges and negative (anion) charges. These cations are not limited to hydrogen; they also include calcium, potassium, sodium, magnesium, iron, and ammonium. All are important plant nutrients.

When a root encounters a clay or organic particle, it can exchange one of its hydrogen cation for another positive one from the particle. It can choose from calcium, potassium, sodium, magnesium, iron, ammonium and hydrogen, as these are all cations carried by clay and silt and are all, as luck would have it, major plant nutrients.

This is known, incidentally, as cation exchange capacity, or CEC. Sand and silt have low CECs, because they comprised of particles that are too large to hold electrical charges. This is why humus and clay are needed to make soil good. They are extremely small particles and can carry cations.

So, back to pH. Every time a plant root exchanges a hydrogen ion for a nutrient ion, it increases the concentration of hydrogen ions in solution. Thus, the pH goes down and things should become more acidic.

Ah, but things usually balance out because the positive cations on the root surface also attract negative charges. Here, hydroxy ions (OH-) are the exchange ping-pong balls, and addition of hydroxy ions lowers the concentration of hydrogen ions in the solution, and pH goes up.

I know this still sounds like chemistry and not biology. However, each plant has an optimum pH requirement. What soil growers need to know (and hydroponics growers don't) is that the type of bacteria and fungi attracted to a plant's rhizosphere by the plant's exudates has a lot to do with setting this optimal pH. Bacteria produce a slim that raises the pH, and fungi produce acids that lower the pH. Since the plant is in control of the biology it attracts, in a natural system, it is the plant that determines the pH, and not some chemistry teacher.

So, while you may forget the chemistry of pH, at least remember there is a biological side. Do no harm to it, and you shouldn't have to worry much about pH when you grow plants in soil. Moreover, the nutrient exchanges that occur above also have a lot to do with what kind of bacteria and fungi are attracted to the root zone as some like higher pH and others lower pH.
 
Day 50, just getting plain water now. Starting to get a more natural fade

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frosty all ready

Let it snow! 😄

Guessing 3 weeks left

I love organic. Water 15 minutes or so every other morning or every day 5-10%, that’s it. Then stay busy

As CC says, “If you start organic living soil I recommend getting another hobby because there isn’t a whole lot to do”
 
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I said 6,2 for veg and 6,5 for flower but 7 is okay in organic too. You really dont need to do it in organic but it helps nutrient intake. Like I said too, many people will disagree with me here and say that you dont have to PH water for organic, and its true, you dont have to, but in my opinion is a little help. Specially if you are using 7 gallons or less pots, the PH buffers wont last all grow if your water is highly alkaline for example, they degrade. If you are growing in 10-20gal then sure, dont ever worry about ph, but in my case I do, I think it helps a little bit based on observation but you know, thats just what I think.
You are correct. Most people say you don’t need to adjust ph in organic. But in smaller 10gal or less containers if you have a high alkalinity ppm, it takes too long for the microbes to adjust it and you’ll get lock out. A bigger bed helps buffer.
 
The canopy and plant tie setup, whatever works, my ac infinity tent came with these so figured I would put them to use, not going anywhere 😂

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