The 1000w bulbs are 145,000 lumens BTW :)
depends on which brand.. that was just a quick google
http://www.lightbulbsdirect.com/page/001/CTGY/HPS
By the way.. I never said you couldn't grow from seed using hps, I just said you (normally) don't. Same as growing from seed to harvest using halide.. it can be done, but you don't. And it's not the fact that hps is more lumens.. halide provides shorter nodes, and tighter buds, and sodium provides stretching.. but bigger buds. Sodium, in my opinion, does create a more potent plant, but if vegged under halide, the nodes aren't just "closer".. there's more of them. More budding sites = more buds = bigger yield.
The best hid gardens out there, incorporate sodium
and halide during flowering just because of this. Usually a 3:2 or 3:1 ratio of sodium to halide.
But I'm done.. u win.