woodsmaneh
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What about all the success stories? What about the people that DO NOT have ANY of the problems you mentioned?
Sorry to bust your bubble but the UC is a different system that requires a learning curve no matter what your previous knowledge was. I know of no other system that is designed and performs like the UC. I know of no other system that uses less nutrients than the UC system.
I know experienced growers like to "think" they got it all down because it is RDWC. Wrong answer! No waterfarm or any other system operates and changes osmotic pressure like the UC system.
I got news for ya, we are still learning about WATER, just water! We (the science world) are finding new things out about water every day now!
So I kindly disagree and see more healthy plants than sick ones in a UC system.
PS- I guess if Rob at H&G cant figure it out we are ALL doomed..LOL!! Rob at H&G did not even know about the product he is selling. He thinks Roots Excel has bacteria in it!! LOL!! Rob is a saleman and has lots to learn about growing!!! Rob is the LAST person I would be taking growing advice from.
If you want to discuss on how to improve the UC design then I am all for it! But if your going to bash the UC design just because YOU can not learn how to grow in this type of system and call blame then you got lots to learn my friend!!
I feel you bro, it is fustrating figgering out the system as things can be different for everyone. The amount of time you have invested should have you killing it. I switched to ss coils for this run as I have 2 systems running from 1 chiller. I wish my grows all went well. I am running mixed plants, won't do that again because some need more food than others. I don't think the defuser in the epicenter is a cause of any problem's, I have done a ton of reading on bubbles and how they effect the water and plants and just don't see it being an issue. I have seen no precipitaion from nutrients in my buckets. The water is not oxygen saturated as you would need very special equipment to do that. (too much oxygen is toxic to plants)
One thing I did notice is tha 6" air stones move around in the bucket so next grow I am going to fix the stone so it stays where I put it.
I do tend to have at least 1 week in the UC where I wonder WTF is going on, but after 1 year of doing this I have started to understand the system. Still working on getting 1# per plant. I have done 1/2 to 3/4 but only once.
Just as an aside I have read tons on the UC here and marvelled at DS and JM and others grow monsters but always feel their maybe keeping something back, just a feeling, like there is some majic juice or something.
I also have yet to fill a buckek with roots, so I will keep at it. Too much money invested not to and you just can't grow huge plants any other way.
good point about the mag drive... But the mag drive works about the same as a submersible pump... If the iron was gettin knocked out from the pump the rdwc would do the same thing right? I have had grows without the spots too. This thread isnt about the leaf damage its about overall health of the plant... Have you ever ran hg in a rdwc? Its a huge difference.I've been running UC's for several years and not seen nor experienced the issues ur suffering from Mo.
PVC's been used for decades in large scale nursery applications and other horticultural scenarios. Can't imagine there is a whole lot of difference in those apps relative to the way it's used in the UC.
My suspicion is that due to the high conc/availability of iron in H&G that it possibly interacts poorly with the perpetual use of the in line mag pump. Once the iron is precipitated out of solution it could likely cause a cascade of other minerals to become un or less available, causing plant health issues.
Seems these issues ur experiencing are unique to ur app Mo....have you considered a different nute in your UC? Seems that if you wanna stick with H&G it might be necessary to kick your UC curbside and rock some DIY RDWC.
I feel you bro, it is fustrating figgering out the system as things can be different for everyone. The amount of time you have invested should have you killing it. I switched to ss coils for this run as I have 2 systems running from 1 chiller. I wish my grows all went well. I am running mixed plants, won't do that again because some need more food than others. I don't think the defuser in the epicenter is a cause of any problem's, I have done a ton of reading on bubbles and how they effect the water and plants and just don't see it being an issue. I have seen no precipitaion from nutrients in my buckets. The water is not oxygen saturated as you would need very special equipment to do that. (too much oxygen is toxic to plants)
One thing I did notice is tha 6" air stones move around in the bucket so next grow I am going to fix the stone so it stays where I put it.
I do tend to have at least 1 week in the UC where I wonder WTF is going on, but after 1 year of doing this I have started to understand the system. Still working on getting 1# per plant. I have done 1/2 to 3/4 but only once.
Just as an aside I have read tons on the UC here and marvelled at DS and JM and others grow monsters but always feel their maybe keeping something back, just a feeling, like there is some majic juice or something.
I also have yet to fill a buckek with roots, so I will keep at it. Too much money invested not to and you just can't grow huge plants any other way.
good point about the mag drive... But the mag drive works about the same as a submersible pump... If the iron was gettin knocked out from the pump the rdwc would do the same thing right? I have had grows without the spots too. This thread isnt about the leaf damage its about overall health of the plant... Have you ever ran hg in a rdwc? Its a huge difference.
Im gonna post a few pics in a min since your doubting my growing skills... I think your missing the point here... I am personally not impressed by that healthy plant you just showed me I have had plants that blow that away in the uc... The point of this whole thread is WHY they never turn out 100% healthy like a rdwc does it... If you never seen what hg in rdwc does then you will never understand what im talking about and the uc would produce good results to you... Im sorry but i think your all bullshiting and i would like to see up close and personal pics of your problem free uc grows... Show me the upper middle and lower parts of the plants from start to finish with any nute... I am blaming it on the system cuz something is not right. Im not the only one with this issue.
I think it is YOU that does not understand and is missing the point here but whatever. We are all full of shit, but your not. OK!
Very sorry that there is no design flaw with the UC system, the only flaw is you not wanting to realize that maybe you do not know as much as you think you do! The countless people that have had success in the UC and will continue to have FLAWLESS grows know better.
What a joke!!
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