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Defoliate some and don't water as often, that'll bring your RH down during lights off. Try oxygenating your feed water to help prevent overwatering symptoms. And, are your pots directly on the floor, cold roots is bad.
Not done much de-foil as they sick didn't want to slow growth anyone than it is at moment.
Ye mate they or on the floor somtimes I do keep them off them floor but forgot this time, the room it pretty got anyway ad it's led running air temp at 80-82 so pots probbely be ok I guess I hope lol, might even work out better on cold floor in led hot room?
 
In coco your pH should be 5.5
I find 5.8-6.0 ok in coco like jguit said.
I hear some day 6.0-6.2
If never been told to set that low I'm sure 5.5 min 6.5 max is what you want? Coco still quite new to me i use to use soil
 
I see all sort of conflicting answers and answer with no supporting evidence.

I'm wondering how often you are watering, and what sort of runoff you are getting? I'm also growing (first time) in coco coir, and my plants have grown at an amazing rate.

I can't say what is causing your issues as I just don't have enough experience. I can contrast with my grow, which you can see in the post 'Explosive Growth in Coco Coir' to see how it compares to you.

Here are some things I think are fine in your case as they mostly match my experience.

1. RH and temps: My RH was high in the veg state (around 60%, higher at night when fan was off). Temps at 79-84F. Those seemed to be ideal veg state conditions, and my plants exploded in growth.
2. pH - based on advice from a number of sources I have set my pH at 6.0. I use a Bluelab controller to keep it at 6.0 in the reservoir. I use Silica Blast as the first ingredient in my fertigation mix, and it notes that pH should be set to 6.0 for that product. 6.0 seems acceptable across both veg and flower, and .... it's working for me.
3. Lighting - without an actual meter reading, we - and you - have no real ID what you're putting on the plants. Curling edges might be a symptom of too much light, but overall your plants didn't look scorched to me. Give us some sort of actual measurement please, lumens, LUX or PAR.
4. Coco coir type - what's in the pots? Homemade? buffered?
5. Cal/mag - exactly what have you been doing here?
6. Nutes - a bit more detail please. I started mixing nutes in RO water, with starting EC of 60 (my scale is micro siemens, so 1000x yours). First I put in 2/5ml/gal of Silica Blast, and then I wait an hour. Next is Cal/mag. I started out at 2.5ml/gallon Calimagic, but have dropped to 1.9 in flower, going my GH chart. This brings my EC up to around 350. Next I add the GH nute trio, which gets EC up around 1200. I then add a couple of supplements, Floralicious and Koolbloom, which gets me to around 1350EC. A bit of humic acid (DIamond Nectar), some Yucca powder as a wetting agents, and finally 2.5ml/gal of 33% h2o2 to keep the tank clean of algae. I mix up 10-11 gallons, and the pH comes out to about 6.1. I then put a bit of pH Down in it and dump it in my 14 gallon reservoir. I then usually top up the tank to 14 gallons with plain RO water to drop the EC a bit. I still have a bit of tip burn on the leaves, so it may still be a bit high.
7. Watering cycle - in veg, I started with 3x daily feedings, with 10-20% runoff. As the plants grew, the runoff quit, and I needed to go to 4x daily. When the runoff quit again, soon before flowering, I increased to 5x/day. In flower, recently, my runoff EC started going up and up and up - to as much as 800 points higher than input. So I went from 30 second feedings to 35 second feedings to increase the runoff. In 4 days the runoff EC has dropped until it is now about the same as the input.

My initial guess on your plant issues is that they may be seeing a deficiency rather than an overdose. To me it is really hard to tell. But the color is a little light, indicating lack of nitrogen. The curling might be a calcium deficiency, or maybe ... ? Hence I am wondering how often you water them. My feeling is that with more waterings, you can (and should) use a lower EC, and you should judge the water quantity and input EC based on runoff EC.

By the way, my pH doesn't change much in runoff. Still 6.0-6.1 usually. I don't measure it much, but I measure EC in almost every runoff.
Thats some nice info their buddy haha, I'll have to reading all tomorrow in detail as I'm about go to bed,
So your running 79-74 with led are u?
And my feed and tap water e.c should be on the first page of this post, I'll send you it tomorrow if you dont see it,
 
I Just top fed them 1 litre each, in wa
My tap water 0.2 e.c I took this to 0.4 e.c with canna cal mag agent,
2.5ml a litre cannyzm,
2ml rootonic
0.5ml a&b
Total e.c in was 0.7e.c
Ph in 5.9

Out was
1.6e.c
ph 6.2-6.3


All above nutrients and everything I added is canna coco brand

Pretty dam high rub off lol must be lock out / salt build up, I had hit them with 1.4&1.6 about a week ago see experimenting , but did a mini flush few days ago as ssdn sligh burnt tips and claw but can't of flushed the e.c low enough,
 
My tap water 0.2 e.c I took this to 0.4 e.c with canna cal mag agent,

Total e.c in was 0.7e.c
You're feeding .3 EC or less of your base nutrients. That's much too low.

I suggest running just CalMag and your base (A/B) nutrients at around 1.2 EC total and see if that improves anything. Start adding the rest of your stuff if/when it's needed. Keep it simple, at least for now.
 
I wondering if the humidity is also playing it's part in the probbely leaf eadged look like that to me?

Led us new to me was Hps

I though led humidity flower you want 50-60% and veg im not sure I guessed 10 kore thwb flower so 60-70
like hps is between veg and flower. Veg 10 more
 
You're feeding .3 EC or less of your base nutrients. That's much too low.

I suggest running just CalMag and your base (A/B) nutrients at around 1.2 EC total and see if that improves anything. Start adding the rest of your stuff if/when it's needed. Keep it simple, at least for now.
I did a mini flush to check the run off I did :)
 
.7 EC in with all the stuff you're adding is too low. Again, try running just CalMag and your base nutrients @ 1.2 EC pH 5.8 ish and give it a few days.
I have mate last week
I took my 0.2 tap water to 0.4 by adding calmag the I threw my bas needs ontop at 1.2 so was 1.6
 
Something is out of balance. I would follow the advise of @jguit to start will. Perhaps dial the lights back for a couple days, low the temperature about to 77 and low the humidity about 5 points. Give the plants a chance to reset per say. Also make sure your PH is in check. Usually when I see twisted leaves the PH is too high. Check your PH meter first off. That is what I would do!
 
Try running it at 1.2 EC for a few days and see where that gets things. Dont bottom feed and water until your runoff matches your input. Essentially resetting your media.
 
Soil pH = 6.4 - 6.6
Coco pH = 5.4 - 5.6

Soil correctly made will adjust its own pH. Coco will not.
 
Typically you fertigate coco at a pH of 5.8 - 6.2

Lower might work? I don't see many people doing this, if any.
 
Typically you fertigate coco at a pH of 5.8 - 6.2

Lower might work? I don't see many people doing this.
You will not because when you go that low guess what happens Nitrogen toxification because Nitrogen is more available at lows PH
 
That is wrong. 5.8 to about 6.2 for coco. Every .1 is 10x more acidic or Alk
Those are the numbers @Aqua Man gave out many times. I've seen plants recover at those levels and so I keep the numbers.
 
Those are the numbers @Aqua Man gave out many times. I've seen plants recover at those levels and so I keep the numbers.
No he knows the numbers about as well as anyone and you are just wrong again. Coco is 6.0 all day long. Stick to the soil
 
I'm debating if I need calmag and how much if run without and most the tine get deficciancys and when u add it it seems fine then in flower often looks like to much N dark skinny green burnt tips, even know total e.c was 1.6 no higher, if tried 2.0&2.2e.c like canna chart says same thing,
So wondering if it's the calmag messing me up it does contain N see

Canna website don't help even they give you mixed information don't think even they know how to use their nutrients ,


2 can sites 2 diffrent instructions on calmag lol WTF init
Link 1 says pic below
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Link 2 days pic below
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Then here is my water one I off my water supplier
No calcium or magnetism in it from what u can see
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I have these 3 in veg pics below they looking good where on calmag I took them off calmag 2 dayd ago and looking better then with it, but many times in th3 past I tired no calmag and had bad cal & mag deficciancys

The been in 1.0e.c for 2 days no calmag and they doing muxh better than before when where on calmag.
I tried these ones in led room thst I'm getting problems with on 1.2 no calmag and still stayed bad.
lol can't make sense of it all

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Here's canna calmag agent I got

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