Aqua Man said:

Yeah I don't think pushing them mean any less quality.. faster growth does not mean lesser quality and have seen no evidence. Better conditions allow for my light and more growth. Stress is stress. I mean if I put them in cool conditions and it slows growth does that mean better quality? Personally I don't think so. Pushing the plants to reach faster growth rates while keeping them from stresses imo makes for faster growth and better quality. The thing is you can't push them hard if you don't dial the environment in to where the plantnl is not stressed. It's the same with all life. Provide better environment for bacteria and they thrive and populate much fast and healthier. I don't see the correlation about growth rates equal lesser quality. Maybe it's the term pushing them hard you mean? By pushing them hard I mean maximizing the potential growth while reducing the stress.

So in essence yes that what I mean by pushing them hard... Finding the sweet spot where they can maximize the light, nutrients and reward me with vigorous, healthy and sizable growth

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MIMedGrower said:

Im not explaining my thought right.

Im saying unless you try to do it that well the first time you may not have picked the best plants.

It is much harder to maintain quality under maxed out conditions and i have yet to smoke any weed grown at extreme tates that was very good.

But that is not to say your product is that way. I was just saying that there is a point where you can push and fade plants to quite high yield while reducing quality. Typical commercial grow is an example. You can obviously have high thc and shitty pot. I think the complexity comes from keeping the plant healthy longer. Not signaling faster flowering and not tiring it out with too much light.

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Aqua Man said:

Can you explain what you think I'm doing because I think there is some confusion. What do you see that I'm doing that doesn't get me the best plant to clone?

I have clone of all of the plants I'm growing already.. I begged them for I don't remember now 5-6 weeks. I'm flowering them now and will dry and cure... After smoking and weighing the structures of the plants, yields, quality I will chose a mother of which right now is a clone growing until I choose which on I want... The clones of the chosen plant will be the mother? Please tell me where I went wrong here

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Aqua Man said:

I edited my last post please look back.

I cannot run an individual climate for each plant I'm not sure what you are suggesting.

By pushing plants I'm not talking about stressing them... I'm talking about maximizining thier potential... Not giving to much light, nutes etc. Just maximizing the potential so that they are as stress free and healthy as they can be... That itself translates to better quality and yield

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MIMedGrower said:

You said it was lazy grow. I mean no negative feelings here. I think without proper canopy management and attention to the plants you would give what you would call an important run you cant tell which ones will make good moms is all.

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MIMedGrower said:

I understand. I dont believe humidity affects them as much as you do. Well as long as it is in a decent range. And i am not pushing them with enough light for c02 so i cant comment here. I am out of line.

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Milson said:

From rooted clones?

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Aqua Man said:

Not at all out of line. It makes me think and more heads the better. I'm just trying to pick out what I may be doing wrong and explaining my reasons for my choices.

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MIMedGrower said:

Youre not doing anything wrong. Just i have seen you grow with such a better attitude and everything looks well, better.

I would want that level most of all for my mom run.

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Aqua Man said:

Oh I agree 100% this grow my attitude sucks, I have made mistakes both knowingly and unknowingly and absolutely can do much better. No excuse for that.

Well maybe a few... Some IRL issues, back has been over the top bad and well it really can affect my drive and mood. Then I found out I need to start the waiting process for surgery all over again. Mother in law is moving here and wife has been gone for 7 weeks so far and probably several weeks to go. I won't get into the reasons but yeah very frustrating. This covid shit is making work a nightmare and I have several cases that look like we are going to arbitration over and that costs us money which I am responsible for. So in all honesty I haven't been to positive nor given this grow the attention it deserves.

Ok that's my rant on my personal circumstances and it's definitely affecting my attitude and passion for growing. But please anyone reading I don't need any pity or special treatment as that only makes it worse. The one thing I can say I enjoy is talking about growing and learning it's a great distraction from the stresses we all need to get away from and nothing is worse than if you feel ppl are tip toeing around cause they think you need some special treatment lol.

So that's the long and short. And @MIMedGrower it's been a minute that we have known eachother. I appreciate your honesty a lot. I would much rather have the truth than just someone saying what you want to hear. That means a lot to me whether I agree with it or not and in this case I absolutely do.

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Kanzeon said:

Yuuuuuup! The best part about this place is swooping in on threads like these, assimilating the thought processes that go into the comments, and then using them to dial my own shit in.

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Dizzy88 said:

Hey @Aqua Man ... your a good guy in my books no matter what the they say about ya big bro ... few weeks away let’s go !!! time to finish strong ... we all gotta get it out the mud at one point or another.

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MIMedGrower said:

I really appreciate you saying that last bit bud.

And i sure wasnt judging your performance. Especially after i got injured and missed a pet infestation for a year. Lol.

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Aqua Man said:

I know brother... You were being real and calling it the way you see it. I appreciate that. Like I said we may not always agree but when the chips are down I want that dude that tells me I have a booger hanging from my nose before I walk over and talk to the pretty lady.

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MIMedGrower said:

Oh in that case i would likely let you embarrass yourself. ;-)

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MIMedGrower said:

Oh in that case i would likely let you embarrass yourself. ;-)

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Dirtbag said:

Hahahahaha hahahahaha hahahahahahahahaaaaa!!!!!

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