oscar169
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I had spring tails so bad @ one point you could water the plants & there would be thousands of them floating & jumping ontop of the water it was crazy...:nailbiting:This saved me a round of drenching. Thought these were root aphids for sure. Now I'm pretty sure they are Hypoaspis Miles.
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Edit: also found some Springtails running around.
I hear ya Oscar! It started freaking me out at first. I saw all these little bugs running all over a stump of a plant I cut down. After root aphids, anytime I see anything moving in the soil I start having panic attacks! :eek:I had spring tails so bad @ one point you could water the plants & there would be thousands of them floating & jumping ontop of the water it was crazy...:nailbiting:
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Thank you!
Lol, thanks, although that's not exactly the case, I was just browsing through a couple pages of the infirmary and saw this thread. And I couldn't leave the thread where it was without making sure the OP and any potential viewers know that the critter is a mite. Treatment for RA's seems to fail, and as we all know, that can be very expensive...Good post, Myco, and no worries necroposting. It shows you used the search feature. :D
Sorry to resurrect an older thread - but it needs to be known, as another poster said, that these are NOT RA. You can use the first two pics to discern 8 legs. The first pic shows the rear two sets of legs, the second pic shows the front two sets of legs. Also, the mouthparts are very mite-ish. They do resemble H. Miles, but from what I see, these mites are much smaller (by using the root for scale, and referring to them as a "speck"). H. Miles is a relatively large mite (for a mite) and they won't primarily be seen on the roots. Moreso just kind of roaming aimlessly through the medium - and from what I understand, primarily like to hang out in the top 1" of the medium.
I am 100% certain that these are some sort of mite - which is scary, if they are indeed the culprit - which the OP seems to be quite sure of that. But, it's scary because it is relatively commonly said that mites in the rootzone are no biggie... usually beneficial in some way. I have seen various growers report root-damage, leading to whole plant problems with some type of soil/rootzone mite present, while ruling out RA or another pest. And I'm talking battles, not easily otherwise written-off problems. I remember one guy on IC that had these "white speck" mites that he was convinced were keeping him from a successful harvest - for years. Tried every product under the sun, tried breaking down, closing shop for 6 months, sterilizing area and equip, only for the hell to reoccur. I don't know what his outcome was, he just stopped posting. I could find the thread...
Personally, I have H. Miles, springtails, and these little WHITE SPECK mite-like creatures - but, mine are definitely different than the OP's. And surely have 8 legs. I, too, have had root problems... resulting in "phantom" lockouts/deficiencies. Only difference, is the problems are not constant, and I still have great quality and pretty successful harvests. But as a passionate grower with a decade of experience, whom provides for several patients, can tell something is "off." The plants seem to be most affected when young, then flourish once of larger size in larger pots while in veg. Then, sometimes in mid-late flower, it seems as though some plants need extra care, and the entire garden seems more light sensitive than usual. This has been through a few gardens... with some in organic soil (best results), some using liquid nutes, which were the worst results - like I couldn't feed no matter how low the dose without seeing weird lockouts until I continued with fresh water. Tried different aeration ratios, different water source, different base soils, added more air circulation... all kinds of little tweeks here and there.... I hate to say it but I've just learned to deal with it after using a few products. Basically it's just like the plants need extra care, and growing seemed much easier in the past - no matter how much I've re-simplified. I was convinced I had RA, and searched high and low for any form of aphid, or other pest to blame... thrips, broads... etc. Bottom line is, I know my rootzone is affected negatively, by something. I've never seen any pest directly on my roots like in the OP... but there's no question my roots aren't healthy as they once were.
I, and from others' advice, have speculated the arrival of soil mites due to some sort of bad bacteria/fungus/pathogen... being as how unlikely it supposedly is that any mites are directly feeding off the roots - as in, they're feeding on whatever it is affecting the roots.
I don't know, but it's quite interesting to say the least.
Sorry for the long post amd resurrection, I just believe there's something more sinister invading rootzones than just RA's and the well-known. Oh, and did I say the pics in the OP are definitely mites? ;)
It's somewhat comforting knowing I'm not the only one...That is crazy, I read this and had to think if I posted this and did not remember. That is how exact my experience with these fuckers has been. I have stopped and cleaned, took off 4 months they still came back. I recently treated and did a pyganic soak then an Azatrol soak 5 days later. they are gone and I treated the surface with Diat. Earth. Also caulked my entire room. These are not root aphids. This is the closest thread I found that describes what I have, now the plants are sensitive and lock up and are really light but hate when I feed. This is crazy whatever they are, almost about to quite entirely. Thanks for posting,
I'm thinking that, whatever it is, it is like root aphids in that it brings a cascade of problems, not just the one problem.
That was my experience with RAs. Clean clones showing signs of mosaicing, the PM that I couldn't eradicate, not even with E20 (first and last time I ever used it), complete and total failure to thrive. The best I could accomplish was nursing the plants along, and I ultimately ended up losing each and every one that had been infected, including subsequent uninfected clones I took in the hopes of saving the genetics.
It's somewhat comforting knowing I'm not the only one...
Do you have a close up pic of your critter?
There's other folks floating around the various forums with no well-known pests in sight, just a tiny little mite or similiar, and the same ongoing issues. Then people replying saying we are in denial of RA and/or just haven't located them... well I have sacrificed many plants, dissecting rootballs, to no avail. I've searched countless amounts of foliage for broads/russets/etc... I love to find a more understood pest to blame it on.
Don't quit. I won't, and will never. Cannabis is my life and my passion. I won't let a semi-microscopic critter (or whatever the phantom is) defeat me. But at the same time I am not wasting $$$$$ on pointless treatments. Hell, if I knew exactly what it was and how to fix it, I'd hand over a large stack of cash to make it happen... but with this notion that 99.99% of soilbourne mites are harmless, and even breaking down a grow for MONTHS doesn't solve the issue... it's like playing darts with a blind fold and you're not even throwing in the right direction....
I can grow successfully in my adapted ways... but like I said in my post, something is off, and I hate settling for it. On the bright side, when the day comes that I can grow a plant start to finish with zero issues like I used to, I'm going to be one hell of a grower - lol.
We need a thread...
When I get time, I'm going to try to find links of others with the mysterious mite and a seemingly never-ending problem.
Dude I am at war, finally was able to take some pics and have a vid too, they are small and look light greyish, and kind of hop around as well as crawl. See pics, what do you think? Theya re still light sensitive and have quite a few right now. Will use evergreen and azatrol but am so tired of doing that it stresses them out. I just want to know WTF they are
those are springtails. They aren't the cause to your problem - check page 1 of this thread https://www.thcfarmer.com/community...ungus-gnats-and-other-fun-bugs-id-pics.55071/
Really? Okay, is it okay there are a lot of them? Maybe I am just fing up the plants doing soaks and treating them all the time.... Weird, thank you
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