Bag Seed Hunting & The Lst Adventure

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Okay, got to the last post, finally (took a little nap, just woke up a minute ago). First of all, you got some balls haha! Mainlining and all kinds of shit on your first run? Yeah, that's ballsy. But you obviously have a handle on it; can't believe how quickly that plant filled out. Any idea at all what strain it was you found those seeds in? Just curious. Cuz it does seem to be filling out very quickly. I know NOTHING about bottled nutes and shit, no experience at all with them, so maybe that method means fatter buds quicker. But yeah, I can't believe how quickly those filled in.

Secondly (and this is just a friendly suggestion), since you're on a budget and all, perhaps you may want to look into organic growing next run. The upfront cost is a little bit (although probably no more than buying bottles of nutrients when you need them over and over again ((I have no idea how much those bottles cost))), but if you get yourself some peat moss, earthworm castings and some sort of aeration (pumice, lave rock, even perlite if you can't source anything else), plus the necessary amendments, you can basically just use that soil over and over and over again, without ever buying anything again (except small amounts of the things you'll need to re-amend, but you'd only have to do that every other run, basically). Since you only have room for four three gallon pots, the upfront cost would be pretty minimal. And you wouldn't have to keep buying bottles of various, uh.... Things.

Anyway, super-impressive. That plant looks great. Can't wait to see how this turns out. I've been considering mainlinging ever since I saw @ArcticOrange 's thread, but even I don't have the guts to try it just yet. Topping's about as far as I'll go right now. Maybe next run I'll try mainlining....
I ran into a deal on Mandala's website that recommended not using peat as it could lower ph too much. You run into that at all? Is there a simple workaround that you've got in your mix that I'm ignorant of? Great post though, thanks. Funny, kinda in the same position you're in regarding mainlining; love looking at his, but scared to death to do it myself :)
 
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Much useful advice guys.
I appreciate the feedback.

Before I start just keep in mind this is my 1st grow. And this bagseed was used to help me learn a few more things. I'm still learning everyday from the curveball this lady is sending me. Sorry I have no idea of her genetic origin. I am in a hostile state and the names given to the strains are often made up. Half the fun of this bagseed hunting is not knowing what you have/will get. I have 75 more bagseeds where this one came from, and they are from various assorted strains. There is no guarantee of a genetic connection between any of them.

can't believe how quickly that plant filled out. Any idea at all what strain it was you found those seeds in? Just curious. Cuz it does seem to be filling out very quickly. I know NOTHING about bottled nutes and shit, no experience at all with them, so maybe that method means fatter buds quicker. But yeah, I can't believe how quickly those filled in.

I'll start with the fact that this gal is quick. Every day I look at her things are noticeably changing. I don't think it's in my head. The picture updates on my journal should attest to this quickness.


If you left a few more fan leaves on the plant, it would of had a nitrogen supply to feed off of.
Might want to tone down pruning with your current feed regimen
And I didn't plan on trimming any fan leaves during flower except the ones that were blocking buds or yellow and dead/dying. The only reason they were removed was due to them turning yellow and drying up. And even them a light tug by hand they popped right off. I didn't expect so little to be left at the end lol.

I do have a loupe and the trichome heads are mostly milky white with a few clear mixed in here and there.
The pistils are turning from white to orange. I'd say close to %50 orange pistils. The flowers are becoming more and more dense everyday (squeezed them). And everyday she seems to pack on the trichomes and smell.

People are mentioning going organic.
I thought having organic soil, organic nutes along with aerated teas was considered organic? Right now I'm using roots organic potting soil. But for the next round I already have purchased the roots 707 blend. I hear it is packed with more nutrients. I think their original roots organic potting soil I've been using isn't powerful enough to last the duration.

I know the rabbit hole can always go deeper as far as organics go. But I have no room for bags and buckets of soil storage/composting etc. Can't leave it outside. People would see bags of soil ammendments and pots with no garden outside. Working on the soil and Hauling soil inside Would be suspicuous.

The earth juice nutrients line. Each bottled product in the quart size usually runs between $14- $25 depending on which product is being purchased. It is generally one of the lower cost, higher quality nutrient lineups. So it was much less costly than any other nutrient line I looked into.

I must say so far so good. Minus the fact I'm a novice still learning the signs of what the plant says it needs/doesn't. Over time I'll get a good understanding from experience and get things dialed in better.

As far as nitrogen feeding is concerned. I was using about 2-3tbsp of earth juice grow per gallon of water all the way through. It hasn't stopped yet. Maybe I need to bump it up more? The whole journal I felt like I was gonna give her too much but it looks like she has always needed more lol. What a N whore.

Right now I'm at 2-3tbsp EJ grow, with 1 tbsp EJ bloom, 1 tbsp EJ bloomin guano, 1 tsp ej catalyst, 1tsp ej oilly can, 1 ml ej microblast, 1ml EJ meta-k.

People suggest bumping up the "cal-mag" but I don't buy that product, I use earth juice oilly can. Have been dosing her every feeding with it.

I thought this nute mix would be diverse enough for her to cover any possible deficiencies for her lifetime.

But just turns out all I needed was this grow along with advice from everyone else to develop a keener eye for these things. I have a good grasp on the knowledge but need more experience still. I think my next run will be bagseed as well.
 
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Mainlining isn't as daunting as it seems guys. Just jump right in there.
Main thing to remember is to sanitize your razor knives before cutting off anything
@rmoltis try to get me a close up shot of those yellowing leaves. Are they showing signs of Fe chlorosis? the leaf will be yellow but the interveinals structure will stay green. We can go from there once you can confirm.

Reason I ask is Fe is an essential nute and it can get locked out if the rootzone ph is too high 7.0 and up or it can lock out your Fe if there is too much phosphorus in your grow medium. Take a good close up pic of those yellowing leaves plz and post.

PS keep in mind Fe deficiency is often confused with Mg (Magnesium) deficiencies as well.

Here is some info on Fe

Iron (Fe) deficiency is a plant disorder also known as "lime-induced chlorosis". It can be confused with manganese deficiency. A deficiency in the soil is rare but iron can be unavailable for absorption if soil pH is not between about 5 and 6.5.[1] A common problem is excessive alkalinity of the soil (the pH is above 6.5). Also, iron deficiency can develop if the soil is too waterlogged or has been overfertilised. Elements like calcium, zinc, manganese, phosphorus, or copper can tie up iron if they are present in high amounts.[1]

Iron is needed to produce chlorophyll, hence its deficiency causes chlorosis. For example, iron is used in the active site of glutamyl-tRNA reductase, an enzyme needed for the formation of 5-Aminolevulinic acid which is a precursor of heme and chlorophyll.[2]

And here some data on Mg

Magnesium (Mg) deficiency is a detrimental plant disorder that occurs most often in strongly acidic, light, sandy soils, where magnesium can be easily leached away. Magnesium is an essential micro nutrient found from 0.2-0.4% dry matter and is necessary for normal plant growth.[1]


A plant with Magnesium deficiency
Excess potassium, generally due to fertilizers, further aggravates the stress from the magnesium deficiency,[2] as does aluminium toxicity.[3]

Magnesium has an important role in photosynthesis because it forms the central atom of chlorophyll.[1]Therefore, without sufficient amounts of magnesium, plants begin to degrade the chlorophyll in the old leaves. This causes the main symptom of magnesium deficiency, chlorosis, or yellowing between leaf veins, which stay green, giving the leaves a marbled appearance. Due to magnesium’s mobile nature, the plant will first break down chlorophyll in older leaves and transport the Mg to younger leaves which have greater photosynthetic needs. Therefore, the first sign of magnesium deficiency is the chlorosis of old leaves which progresses to the young leaves as the deficiency continues.[4]Magnesium also is a necessary activator for many critical enzymes, including ribulosbiphosphate carboxylase (RuBisCO) andphosphoenolpyruvate carboxylase (PEPC), both essential enzymes in carbon fixation. Thus low amounts of Mg lead to a decrease in photosynthetic and enzymatic activity within the plants. Magnesium is also crucial in stabilizing ribosome structures, hence, a lack of magnesium causes depolymerization of ribosomes leading to pre-mature aging of the plant.[1] After prolonged magnesium deficiency,necrosis and dropping of older leaves occurs. Plants deficient in magnesium also produce smaller, woodier fruits.


Hey @jumpincactus I will get you some pics later tonight when lights go on.
 
thunderfudge

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Hey bro,if you're set on running bagseed,I have plenty of accidents over here you can run through.you'd at least know the parents.lol.I had a yeti blow gay powder last summer,plenty of yeti bagseeds.yeti x gg #4,yeti x (lemon Thai x bubba).
I have lots of regular "accidents" where I went in my bloom room with contaminated clothing from my breeder and made babies too,small anounts,but you can thumb through them if u want bro.
 
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Hey bro,if you're set on running bagseed,I have plenty of accidents over here you can run through.you'd at least know the parents.lol.I had a yeti blow gay powder last summer,plenty of yeti bagseeds.yeti x gg #4,yeti x (lemon Thai x bubba).
I have lots of regular "accidents" where I went in my bloom room with contaminated clothing from my breeder and made babies too,small anounts,but you can thumb through them if u want bro.

Hey @thunderfudge I appreciate the offer. I would love to run any of your "accidents". They would probably be a few notch's above the bagseed I have now.
 
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I ran into a deal on Mandala's website that recommended not using peat as it could lower ph too much. You run into that at all? Is there a simple workaround that you've got in your mix that I'm ignorant of? Great post though, thanks. Funny, kinda in the same position you're in regarding mainlining; love looking at his, but scared to death to do it myself :)

Well, I haven't actually used my recycling soil yet (there's a little bit in my current grow; if I had to guess, I'd say 1/15th of the entire mix), so I don't know about that, although I have read the same thing. The thing is, if you have enough carbonates in your soil mix (oyster shell, crab shell etc), it should neutralize the ph diving down. Or, er, something like that haha. I'm not an expert by any stretch of the imagination, but I did have a conversation with seamaiden about this very topic a while ago. She said that carbonates will neutralize peat moss bringing down soil ph levels, so, uh, I'm hoping that happens.

Honestly, I've never tested my soil ph. Or the ph of my water, for that matter. I have a ph meter for my water, but I've never used it. And I don't have a soil meter, so I have no idea at all what my ph's are. My plants look real freaking good, though haha. I use RO water and occasionally check the ppm's, just to make sure I don't need to change the filters yet (been using the same filters for about a year and a half and my ppm's as of last week were high 20s/low 30s, which is fine with me). Gonna post some pics in my log tonight or tomorrow night, if you're curious. And if you're curious about my soil recipe, I can pm you the mix. It's just BAS's mix (which is lumperdawgz/Clackamascootz' mix), but I mixed it myself rather than have them ship a bunch out.

Okay, sorry @rmoltis Back to your grow.
 
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Here are some manifold shots.

The main trunk is about "1 wide.
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These branches are super strong.
I'm going stakeless unless I start to see otherwise.
 
jumpincactus

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Hey @thunderfudge I appreciate the offer. I would love to run any of your "accidents". They would probably be a few notch's above the bagseed I have now.
LOL thats right @thunderfudge has fire even on a bad day. He aint playn....... I like the way your thinking @rmoltis playn with the bagseed till you really get your grow on. But from what I have seen so far your ready to pop you some fire.......... Thru the doing comes the experience. But again I support your thinking.........:D I love you man....
 
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Hey don't forget to give us a shot of the whole plant along with that bud porn. I love seeing those whole plant shots, such an impressive looking little beast :love1:

I'm with ya there man love the whole plant shots of it. She's looking nice

Thx guys. I too love the shape and stature of this gal!

I will get some full shots for everyone tonight with the same camera as yesterday (instead of my phone camera) once lights come on.

Seems since the switch to 11/13 she has become/is becoming much more colorful.

This whole experience has gotten me hooked. I am already antsy for the next grow. While this one hasn't even finished lol.
 
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@rmoltis I got thinking
LOL thats right @thunderfudge has fire even on a bad day. He aint playn....... I like the way your thinking @rmoltis playn with the bagseed till you really get your grow on. But from what I have seen so far your ready to pop you some fire.......... Thru the doing comes the experience. But again I support your thinking.........:D I love you man....
I've got a father/son mix my 4 yr old made last seed harvest,it should be pretty epic.its my chem/og male hit to my best cuts;kosher,fire,banana,818,raskal,ghost train haze,fighter,white fire,sour banana Larry,lemon Larry.it should be fun
 
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Thx guys. I too love the shape and stature of this gal!

I will get some full shots for everyone tonight with the same camera as yesterday (instead of my phone camera) once lights come on.

Seems since the switch to 11/13 she has become/is becoming much more colorful.

This whole experience has gotten me hooked. I am already antsy for the next grow. While this one hasn't even finished lol.
This is one addictive hobby for sure. Actually, it's more a way of life but... ya know.
 
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@rmoltis I got thinking
I've got a father/son mix my 4 yr old made last seed harvest,it should be pretty epic.its my chem/og male hit to my best cuts;kosher,fire,banana,818,raskal,ghost train haze,fighter,white fire,sour banana Larry,lemon Larry.it should be fun

I'm super excited!

It sounds like these guys will have a lot of potential.

I will make a separate dedicated journal for them all since they will be a few notches above what I'm used to.
 
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Hey rmoltis, I see your first tent op is a success. I decided to put my tent dreams on hold until I found a legal way to do it. Nice to see the progress you made. My grow might not begin until late this year after I settle in for a bit in Denver. Take care, and keep the bud porn coming. Will be checking in more often
 
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Hey rmoltis, I see your first tent op is a success. I decided to put my tent dreams on hold until I found a legal way to do it. Nice to see the progress you made. My grow might not begin until late this year after I settle in for a bit in Denver. Take care, and keep the bud porn coming. Will be checking in more often

Hi @GreenScreen thx for popping in.

Sorry to hear your plans are on hold.
The plus side to this is that you have plenty of time to plan and accumulate parts/pieces for your tent op. That way when the time comes you'll be ready to go the 1st day that you decide you're ready.

The 1st day I started. I felt as if each harvest would take forever(3-4months).

Now I'm antsy in anticipation for my grow to hit the finish line. Looking back on it, time flies!

What luck I had finding a beautiful female in some bagseed She is very colorful. And everyday I check in on her. She stacks more and more trichomes while laying on the funk.
Her smell is undefinable. I can't pinpoint what I'm smelling. It just reminds me of a strain at a Washington state cannabis farmers market many moons ago. That won some sort of event for that strain (local small event not cannabis cup).

I must say though that I just can't get enough of her smell. It is so unique and delicious. Once I touch the flowers. My fingers take on a rich smell, like trichomes off some fire.

I personally don't think this phenotype deserved to be bagseed. And I would have loved to keep clones of her. But we may go on an anniversary trip. Which means I can't start next round until it is over, or alternatively if we decide not to take said trip.
 
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