Boss's light test. LEDvsHIDvs Maybe Bad boy.

Crysmatic · Aug 26, 2010

theherbalizor said:
Wicked results... So is this right

So LED at .25gpw
HID at .19gpw
Badboy at .19gpw ( you have the 648w version yes?)

Way to grow!!!

imo, the numbers are misleading. 648w is 62% more watts than a 400w, and yielded proportionately more. how did the badboy 'kick' the hid's ass? you'd expect the same yield from a 600w hps.

if the badboy could have grown 8 plants, instead of 3, then it'd be more fair to call it 0.51 gpw. like you said bossman, tailer the conditions to each light. now that you've got one comparo under your belt, your next grow will be more enlightening.

beezleb878 · Aug 26, 2010

Thanks for keeping the perspective. I was guilty of not realizing the bad boy was more like a 600w hps than a 400.

Would it be fair to say the led performance is somewhere around 250hps? If this is the case it would be interesting to see it used in comparison with a 250w hps.

Crysmatic · Sep 1, 2010

i agree the 200w led is like a 200w hps. even phillip's rebel LEDs put out 100 lumens/w - on par with MH. i think this shows that even the best 300w LED are only as good as a 400w MH as far as yield. maybe you should only consider 300W and up to get anything worthwhile. while this round of LED didn't produce potent weed, bigkuz got crazy quality from a 576w chinese made LED - which he bought for about $750.

BOSSMAN88188 · Sep 1, 2010

Crysmatic said:
imo, the numbers are misleading. 648w is 62% more watts than a 400w, and yielded proportionately more. how did the badboy 'kick' the hid's ass? you'd expect the same yield from a 600w hps.

if the badboy could have grown 8 plants, instead of 3, then it'd be more fair to call it 0.51 gpw. like you said bossman, tailer the conditions to each light. now that you've got one comparo under your belt, your next grow will be more enlightening.

Thanks bro.
I am working on the details of the next round right now.
But also remember i kept the bad boy higher then necessary to keep the test fair.
Also IMO the bad boy is closer to a 1000 watter then a 600.
The reason being is the Foot candles plus the coverage area.

beezleb878 said:
Thanks for keeping the perspective. I was guilty of not realizing the bad boy was more like a 600w hps than a 400.

Would it be fair to say the led performance is somewhere around 250hps? If this is the case it would be interesting to see it used in comparison with a 250w hps.

What up bro,
I think the big problem with the Led is the 30 inch grow space. I just dont see 800$ to grow 1 plant. Witch is what IMO would be best fit to this light.

motherlode said:
just glad this thread inst in ledgirls forum or there would be a shitload of editing going on

That is sum funny stuff.
I dont think she would delete it though. I feel I have been very fair and respectful. And will run her light again and maybe I will eat my own words about the quality.

LordDankinstien said:
Great test bossmann I'll be waiting to see you take another crack at LED's, and Im super impressed with the badboy.

What up bro,
I have always been very anti floro. And have eatin my words. The penetration on these is awesome. Even the lowest inner nuggs where dense and dank.

motherlode said:
that pretty much sums it up for me :thinking

Yes yes it does.

Papa said:
'nough said.

Papa

Thanks papa.

kuz said:
I picture a 4'x3' rectangular plant about 2' thick, surrounded by 1944 watts of light. lol.

I will be aiming for a 2 to 3 pound bush.

xkushxmanx said:
dam those t5 badboys are impressive

I am amazed. I truly did not expect what it did.

beezleb878 said:
Whats the amps on those t5 12 light setups if anyone knows. I couldnt find that.

Whats the best way to cool those? Just good intake and outtake? Lots of fans? How hard is it to control the temperature with those.

Lights are out right now. I will check and post that up for you.
They produce some heat but With good ventilation in the room it will be fine. I use an AC because we get some pretty hot days where i live.

MediMary said:
Originally Posted by BOSSMAN88188
"So far I have sampled each.
And the Led buds where barely worth smoking.
I have shown the Bad boy buds to many grower's and they are all amazed."

If you listen real close, you can hear LEDgirl yelling somewhere.
haha
J/K ledgirl = )

LMAO

Green81 said:
Shame about the Led buds, I had high hopes.

Me too bro,
But I am not giving up on it yet.:fighting0040:

rhead said:
I was debating a LED upgrade until now. I would rather battle heat issues with an exhaust setup then wait 4 months to smoke shitty dope.

I can go do that right now...! :joint:

The heat from the Bad boy really isnt too hard to control.
I had heat issue's because I had the Bad boy + a 1000 watt HID + the LED. In a 6x6x6 room.
Small spaces create different issues for controling temps.

froggy said:
You are the unofficial tester for this site. Your word pulls a lot of weight. Your tests are very thurogh and informative. In other words... YOU ARE THE MAN!!!

Thanks froggy,

Pandaman said:
+1

Keep up the good work :)

Thanx Panda,

Crysmatic said:
i agree the 200w led is like a 200w hps. even phillip's rebel LEDs put out 100 lumens/w - on par with MH. i think this shows that even the best 300w LED are only as good as a 400w MH as far as yield. maybe you should only consider 300W and up to get anything worthwhile. while this round of LED didn't produce potent weed, bigkuz got crazy quality from a 576w chinese made LED - which he bought for about $750.

I was planning to trade Led girl for the 300 wat Led for the next run. But I am not sure if its going to happen.
Either way I will do another run.

Dirty White Boy · Sep 1, 2010

"The Led buds were so much smaller. The density was not good either. The stoney,flavor all lagged.
So far I have sampled each.
And the Led buds where barely worth smoking.
I have shown the Bad boy buds to many grower's and they are all amazed."

Are you serious? Maybe LEDgurrrrl can stick that up her whiney little pipe and smoke it. Didnt realize this wasnt in the LEDforum, Edit it me now, bitchy little con artist....

After going through this grow a few more times, id say you pretty much nailed that coffin closed, and through the first firstful of dirt. I just find it hard to believe your gunna be able to double or triple your yeild to the perportions shes always babbling on about...:giggle

Now the Badboy.....BEASTY! lol....

Rock on Bossman!:wazzup::beer:rock

JoE_AnTiX77 · Sep 1, 2010

nice thread bossman... very good information here

Lost · Sep 1, 2010

Dirty White Boy said:
Didnt realize this wasnt in the LEDforum, Edit it me now, bitchy little con artist....
After going through this grow a few more times, id say you pretty much nailed that coffin closed, and through the first firstful of dirt. I just find it hard to believe your gunna be able to double or triple your yeild to the perportions shes always babbling on about...:giggle

Now the Badboy.....BEASTY! lol....

Rock on Bossman!:wazzup::beer:rock

I lol'd.. So feeling that..

:spacecraft:

Papa · Sep 2, 2010

hype:

LEDGirl said:
the LED's performed nearly 2x better than the HPS

reality:

BOSSMAN88188 said:
The Led buds were so much smaller. The density was not good either. The stoney,flavor all lagged.
So far I have sampled each.
And the Led buds where barely worth smoking.

.

Papa

BOSSMAN88188 · Sep 2, 2010

LEDGirl said:
52g / 180W = .29 grams per watt
76g / 480W = .16 grams per watt
124 / 648W = .19 grams per watt

So all in all, the LED did roughly 2x the yield of your HPS (1.81x to be exact), on your first LED grow ever. The buds may have been smaller, but that's what happens when you stretch the coverage area vs growing plants directly in the center. That's probably why Froggy was able to hit 43.2 grams with our 63W light (.75 grams per watt), while you came in less than 10 grams ahead of him with our 205W using 3x the power.

As per all of the side-bar conversations from the peanut gallery, I find it funny how you disregard the fact that despite poor results under all lights in this test, the LED's performed nearly 2x better than the HPS, and about 1.5x better than the Quantum Bad Boy. But we already knew that from our watt for watt test on ICMag where Hazy got over 400g out of 460W of LED, and just over 200g with his 400W HPS (480W draw). Watt for watt LED wins, and when you run watt for watt the difference in product more than pays for the cost difference in lighting. Hazy also got much larger buds under his LED's, and 9 out of 10 growers on ICMag rate LED buds as higher quality than HID. Different strokes for different folks I guess, but then again even the newbies at IC are all hitting 1.0 grams per watt or higher with bud size and quality that greatly exceeds anything I've seen yet on this forum, minus Froggy.

Now you are the one who said your lite was equal to a 400 watt HPS. ANd now you try and pull some # twisting.
Secondly maybe you do not realize I read ICmag. And your reputation their is Crap!!!!!

Then you are going to come out and Disrepect every grower on this forum.
You mam are not a smart representative of your company.
I was giving your lite the benifit of the doubt and going to run it again. Seeing as I had some issues this run. But the issues was with all the testers so the percenatge differencce is still valid and huge.

And if you think your nuggs are superior. Then On october 2nd.
Pasilay co op will be having a grower cup. I will put my Nuggs against yours any day.
So either put up or shut up.

BOSSMAN88188 · Sep 2, 2010

Just face it. The lite is just not worth 800$
To grow one plant.

Lost · Sep 2, 2010

You reap what you sew...

I noticed her forum is locked.. Did she get into trouble over there for editing and deleting posts?

I guess you have to give stuff away and have BS contests so people keep buying the snake oil.

Hopefully her forum here meets a similar demise..

cemchris · Sep 2, 2010

Man this thread is great. I have read it over and over and must say kudos to you bossman. This was the exact thing I was waiting to see. No BS. No Smoke blowing. I think all the drama surrounding it is even better. Again man Hats off and sorry you have to smoke those nasty buds lol.

beezleb878 · Sep 2, 2010

I think it was a wrong marketing illustration. They would do better to show how easy it is to manage and get a reasonable size harvest with the LED. I feel like LED is being rammed down our throats as its gods gift to lighting.

I see them great for small spaces and stealth grows and where heat is a big factor. I do not see these being able to compete directly with other lighting options but I think they can be used respectively well but likely not for the professional grower at this point in time. I so want to be wrong but I dont see it. If I am wrong, someone please show me how with merit.

As illustrated the light footprint is too small but I do not believe the LED can give better results for bud directly under it to the degree as to make up the difference in overall yield. Show me if I am wrong and I will gladly say my bad. I think they are great for spot lighting and for some grower situations but otherwise I think some of these sales pitches are bit too much but I could and want to be wrong.

Dirty White Boy · Sep 3, 2010

LEDGirl said:
52g / 180W = .29 grams per watt
76g / 480W = .16 grams per watt
124 / 648W = .19 grams per watt

So all in all, the LED did roughly 2x the yield of your HPS (1.81x to be exact), on your first LED grow ever. The buds may have been smaller, but that's what happens when you stretch the coverage area vs growing plants directly in the center. That's probably why Froggy was able to hit 43.2 grams with our 63W light (.75 grams per watt), while you came in less than 10 grams ahead of him with our 205W using 3x the power.

As per all of the side-bar conversations from the peanut gallery, I find it funny how you disregard the fact that despite poor results under all lights in this test, the LED's performed nearly 2x better than the HPS, and about 1.5x better than the Quantum Bad Boy. But we already knew that from our watt for watt test on ICMag where Hazy got over 400g out of 460W of LED, and just over 200g with his 400W HPS (480W draw). Watt for watt LED wins, and when you run watt for watt the difference in product more than pays for the cost difference in lighting. Hazy also got much larger buds under his LED's, and 9 out of 10 growers on ICMag rate LED buds as higher quality than HID. Different strokes for different folks I guess, but then again even the newbies at IC are all hitting 1.0 grams per watt or higher with bud size and quality that greatly exceeds anything I've seen yet on this forum, minus Froggy.

Peanut Gallery? Your an asswipe and deserve all the criticism you get.....All the old heads on here said right off the bat.....this BULLSHIT again....and you kept on spewing your verbal crap anyway.....Your lights suck as bad as you do at trying to sell them, i feel bad for anyone who got suckered in....

LMAO newbie, lmao!!! i gotta something you can stroke....

We have eyes lady and its very VERY VERY clear that your lights do not even remotely perform how you say they do, exactly what all of the edited posts you deleted said.

Lets all stop acting like its "its better for a cabinet...its better if you dont want to exhaust..." YOU HAVE TO VENT YOUR FUCKING GROW.....Shes a fucking saleswoman.....LEDgurrrrl your lights suck, if i see you in person.....YOUR LIGHTS SUCK!

Peanut Gallery that............:fubar:evilgrin0040::middlefinger

BOSSMAN88188 · Sep 3, 2010

Also for the record. The entire yeild from the LED was not worth smoking. IT was all tossed in the leaf pile. Hopefully it doesn't ruin my next Hash run. LMAO.
Here I thought I was being fair and polite. For her to just Attack me and every other grower on the Farm.

I think I will start a poll thread to see how many members agree she should be Banned. For rudeness,post deleting,And stealing from members who paid $ for her lite.

MediMary · Sep 3, 2010

LEDGirl said:
52g / 180W = .29 grams per watt
76g / 480W = .16 grams per watt
124 / 648W = .19 grams per watt

So all in all, the LED did roughly 2x the yield of your HPS (1.81x to be exact), on your first LED grow ever. The buds may have been smaller, but that's what happens when you stretch the coverage area vs growing plants directly in the center. That's probably why Froggy was able to hit 43.2 grams with our 63W light (.75 grams per watt), while you came in less than 10 grams ahead of him with our 205W using 3x the power.

As per all of the side-bar conversations from the peanut gallery, I find it funny how you disregard the fact that despite poor results under all lights in this test, the LED's performed nearly 2x better than the HPS, and about 1.5x better than the Quantum Bad Boy. But we already knew that from our watt for watt test on ICMag where Hazy got over 400g out of 460W of LED, and just over 200g with his 400W HPS (480W draw). Watt for watt LED wins, and when you run watt for watt the difference in product more than pays for the cost difference in lighting. Hazy also got much larger buds under his LED's, and 9 out of 10 growers on ICMag rate LED buds as higher quality than HID. Different strokes for different folks I guess, but then again even the newbies at IC are all hitting 1.0 grams per watt or higher with bud size and quality that greatly exceeds anything I've seen yet on this forum, minus Froggy.

Ok how in the world do you advertise your units as 205 watts, but in your numbers you say its only drawing 180 watts, how exactly do your led lights generate power, damn thats amazing! Seems like you are trying to smudge the numbers LedGirl...

mrdizzle · Sep 3, 2010

who the hell wants to waste 3 months to get 52 grams off a $1000 light, if I want 2oz of bud Ill pick through my carpet.

Id rather pay for the power and have something to smoke

Jalisco Kid · Sep 3, 2010

I asked her a polite tech question and was almost asked to leave. Me I love criticism of my tanks,it mainly shows there is nothing wrong with them except the cost. Others and myself can learn to build a better mouse trap with insightful criticism.
There are led spot lights I have checked out for theater but they are really too expensive. I have seen some moving led heads I would love to try in my veg room,but the cost would take years to recoup.The future is coming but not soon.
As far as making toys and wanting to sell them,if can can not stand the heat get the hell out of the kitchen. We have had fat mike and others try to cram shit down our throats that as a group there is a large % of us that are a little leery. Suerte JK
Glad you tried her lights but knew going in it would be a waste of time. I was given a case of lights a while back to try out, 3 weeks of veg and I trashed them. Company did not want to pay to have them shipped back and I like my friends too much to let them try it. Some things even when they are free are not worth it.

Papa · Sep 3, 2010

I feel badly for all those folks that have wasted their $$ on lies . . .

Papa

Tobor the 8th Man · Sep 3, 2010

Hey bossman I want your light guy. I want to run some more tests. You are not liking it and I see potential. Work with me man. I wanted that 205w to begin with and got the 126w. You can have it back after I am done if you want it.

Seriously I want that light bad.

Boss's light test. LEDvsHIDvs Maybe Bad boy.

Boss's light test. LEDvsHIDvs Maybe Bad boy.

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