By itself it's possible there would be such a plant in the IH but combined with everything else I'm 99% sure I mislabeled two entire bags of seeds automatically causing all plants from it to be mislabeled too. That includes everything after the CH clone run I did so does not affect the P cross but all the whorl hunt runs.
I got two large zips, each with close to 1000 seeds of similar size and texture. Both have a label
in it, a small piece of paper. I at some point must have switched the labels. Sounds unlikely too perhaps, I dismissed the option too easily earlier this year myself, but I can think of a few occasions where that could have happened (sifting plant material from it later, taking pics of seed collection, and above all, cause I got high...)
That plant in hempy, I specifically picked some seeds from the IH bag cause I wanted to run just one or two females to check how bad they really are and if it would hermie. Since they are a CH cross it can theoretically produce plants more like the CH than the ICE parent but not entirely like the CH parent in the f1. The ICE is actually clearly more dominant in the cross. That hempy plant just got me to take another critical look at the plants I ran and the ones I got in flower now and it's really obvious now.
The bud structure, plant structure (apical dominance, petiole stretch, leafiness, hollow stem, short nodespacing, transition stretch), leaf and petiole frost, heavily colored fading, smell and taste... And the lack thereof.
About 6 months ago:
The CH x CH-quad produced over 50% whorlers. I have a couple of hundred seeds created with whorlers from that run (tris and quad, see page 16 for pics), and I'm pretty sure those will again produce mostly whorlers. Only downside is that the bud it produces is not good enough. Looks beautiful, but blend taste and boring effect. I will pop them at some point and possibly backcross something else into it.
Could have known then. The CH is pungent smelling, some would say too much, and the effect is not boring at all. The CH possibly being just a C99 knockoff threw me off too, I thought I perhaps bred towards its indica lineage and not the haze. I mentioned once in this thread it seems I actually somehow bred the haze out of the CH in one generation. But in hindsight that's obviously because I ran the ice cross and not the ch ibl...:inpain:
Earlier this year Sam the Skunkman asked me for leaf samples of my whorlers, for a dna sequence. I set up that temp 400w closet and popped dozens of seeds from the CHxCH bag as well. Found three great whorlers I took leaves off, and kept one, a female, bonsaied it and didn't flower it till recently (never sent the samples to Sam...). Mostly seeded (with pollen from one of those other tris), but I smoked the dried bud a few days ago and it's without a doubt the IH cross and not CHxCH. It tastes and looks exactly like the IH#5 bud:
https://www.thcfarmer.com/community/threads/breeding-for-whorls.63887/page-3#post-1275121
Or second pic in
https://www.thcfarmer.com/community/threads/breeding-for-whorls.63887/page-3#post-1283922
What's also in line with the mixup is that what I thought was CH F3 produced some clearly more sativa dom plants than the F2. That's because it was IH F2 in which the ch sativa parts of the (ice x ch) recombined in some plants.
From Feb this year...
Fastest tri, took her down a couple of days ago. Really shame the bud isn't good enough. Pretty, but like winterized bho nearly smell and tasteless. All the plants I suspect to be IH (ICE x CH) and not CHxCH turned yellow prematurely (like the ICE...) and ended up purple. Not only useless for my breeding project but not really the type of (indica) bud I enjoy smoking either.
... I stepped into the same boat again...
ICE taste is funky indica. Bit like an og kush or afghani without a distinct taste, bit minty after drying. Very oldskool.
CH taste is dark pungent grape-ish
Chunk taste is Pine
L8N8 taste was sweet haze
I crossed those all with the CH quad.
ICExCH (IH) resulted in still blend bud, maybe a hint of CH-grape in flower.
CHxCH, based on the hempy plant, tastes like CH as one would expect for at least some plants.
ChunkxCH tastes like Pine (very dominant)
L8N8 x CH (Late Night) tastes like CH
TLDR: So it's not just that this one hempy plant from the IH bag turned out as CH, it's that all the plants I've grown from the ch bag have clear signs of ICE in it. I can and should have seen that. Even the P cross (chunk x ch) has more ch traits than the plants from the CHxCH bag.
Good on you to ditch the fatty if she's no good lol. Also interested to see what that tall CHf2 pheno does, hopefully doesn't take too long to finish for ya and gives you that haze you want.
I got a rooted clone of it already, very fast and vigorous, yet honestly I don't expect much of it. Whether that one is from the icexch or CH, if it turns out hazy it's from the CH genes of which I got many CHxCH seeds I apparently haven't even tried except the one in hempy.
Some IH#5 shots from 18 months ago, from before the mixup so actually ICE x CH. In veg the leaves don't differ a lot, but the fat stems and structure does, and it becomes very clear in flower because of the different (non-foxtailing) bud structure.
I know many don't consider it a bad thing but I don't like purple petioles. While some do it clearly genetically, and it can have rather harmless reasons (a few cold nights) it's usually a bad sign and in case of the IH cross goes together with other bad signs, deficiencies, yet any increase in nutes causes it too burn. Exceptional vigorous in veg, but doesn't flower well.
The smaller leaves around the flowers make it obvious already. Duplicates of what I'm growing now. Sharp blades. But also the spiky hairdo (stigmas). CH is more frizzling.
Compare these pics to the ones I posted over the past couple of pages and it will be obvious those are IH plants. The CH is relatively short for a haze hybrid but still more stretchy than the IH.
Clone of one of the CHxCH moms.
I switched to soil too, figured that could perhaps have some influence because that is just not going as smooth for me as hydro, but not
that big of a difference.
Looking at these CH pics actually gets me excited to run them.