Bulk Organic Resources- Custom Nute Lines - Teas - Inoculants - Supplies

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:hi For those of us who:
- want an alternative to good but costly liquid ferts such as EJ or AOO
- don't understand how products containing bone and blood meal, urea, various ammonium compounds and superphosphates end up w/ names like "Marine Cuisine". (At least most of the people at this board know the answer to "Why?", I assume.)
- wonder what synthetics might be lurking behind the "Natural Organic" labels of premixed nute/addies.

"...the states- who handle the certification of both fertilizers and organic farming- have decided that if less than 1% by weight of fish emulsion is synthetic, then it can pass muster as Natural Organic (the proper term for non-chemical fertilizers) ~ Bill Ginn, Marketing Coordinator, Alaska Fish Fertilizer
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- generally want to purchase more than a quart or 4 lbs and less than a truckload- think in terms of 1-5 gals or 10- 50 lbs
- are freegin tired of wading through the plethora of pay-per-click sales portals, (alibaba-baba-bing) non-informational cul de sacs that exist for your click and have managed to make the first 2 pgs of a Google search feel like a game of hop-scotch. [/rant] Well....

Why not pool our resources, dodge some bullets and get on the express train?

Here's a real world example (and glimpse into my trip) to kick things off. I just received this shipment from one of my favorite suppliers, Peaceful Valley Farm Supply. (link below) Ordered it last Thurs AM, shipped out Fri, Rec'd Tues AM this week.
Invoice

Thank you again,
GrowOrganic.com
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Link: http://www.groworganic.com
Shipped From: Grass Valley, CA
Product/s: bulk meals, (35#-50# crab, shrimp), mined minerals, soluble organic ferts, inoculants
Comments: high quality bulk products, competitive pricing- lower than most. no nonsense, professional service, honest product descriptions, pay actual shipping- no pad. attention to detail, (check out their packaging material.) a class act. a model for the 21st century garden supply business. (I'm generally not this effusive w/ my praise.)

Peaceful Valley is a couple of hundred miles from my location, so paying the freight on a 50# bag of H2O soluble Potassium Sulfate is within my tolerance range, particularly when I start adding up how many *fresh* bottles of Meta-K one bag will yield.

Because the best of everything cannot be found under one roof, diversity is often the spice of life and successful enterprises can change and become corrupt over time---
Here's a link to couple of other bulk suppliers I've been checking out:
http://www.fertilizeronline.com/rock.php


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If you're looking...
This link will help you find a good bulk organic supplier near you. (Peaceful Valley/groworganic.com has some company.) http://attra.ncat.org/attra-pub/org_fert/
Make sure to check the rest of the site out. Lots of good resources and starting points.

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While ordering from a supplier closer to home will obviously save on shipping $$, this is not always the case. Here's a link to a product, (looks outstanding- ordered but yet to try) that was passed onto me by CocoLoco last week.

Their flat rate includes shipping within the cont. US. Otherwise I might've taken a pass and saved this one for later.

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Than there are the little, "personal" gems that, for some foolish reason, I used to keep to myself. (selfishness? my work- my find- my reward??):lipssealed And then again, maybe my/your secret little gems aren't so secret after all.
In any case, I've turned that corner. I believe that organic gardening is the future and I want to do my small part in serving its best interests. This was passed onto me by a cloneur extraordinaire- the best cut taker that I've ever seen. The site isn't taking orders ATM, (the owner is touring Asia), but the products and prices are worth the bookmark and the wait if you use the products.
LittleGem
Link: http://www.super-grow.biz/PC1.jsp
Shipped From: ? weight isn't an issue
Product/s: hormones, humates, fulvic acid, innoculants. Power Clone, (PC1 highly recommended.)
Comments: great prices! some products might not fit organic guidelines.
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Last but not least...
If you're having difficulty running down something:
Requests:
- need good source for bulk, dehydrated/dry molasses- 25#-50# units.
- anyone know of a North American distributor for: Metrop Nutes ?
- where I can buy Quantum Growth online?

I have more links to pass on, but will wait to see what kind of feedback the topic gets and to make sure that I'm not being delusional. :icon_dizzy:
:smiley_joint:Peace
 
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Here's one:

www.neemresource.com for good prices on a high quality organic Neem Oil.

And if you're in the Portland area:


Don't know if they ship though, but you can't beat their prices for anything...
 
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Thanks for the links and info. Like to see more.

Liquid Cane Feeding Molasses
Link: http://www.yelp.com/biz/cerri-feed-co-stockton
Shipped From: Stockton, CA.
Product/s: Liquid Cane Feeding Molasses
Comments: $20.00 for 5 gallons. Ordered from local feed store.

Got any resources for bulk coco coir?
 
GanjaGardener

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Thanks for the links. I've been using Einstein Oil (expensive) and more recently an OSH (garden supply) label neem oil (convenience) and just haven't had the time to dig further. The local farm supply doesn't carry bulk molasses so i've been spending a small fortune on Brer Rabbit which, for the micromanagers, has twice the phosphorus, mag and Ca of GrandMothers.
My understanding is that dry molasses has a higher brix than liquid but I've just scratched the 4 bottles of BrerRabbit off of today's TTD list - Tx leadled. Haven't explored your link yet, dex, but know yer doin some good work in the tea realm so gonna get over there.

Good stuff. Keep 'em comin' folks.
 
GanjaGardener

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Your responses and a note from a member that assured me that I'm not delusional after all, (at least, not in relationship to this topic) have boosted my confidence and given me the courage to continue on. :character0029:



DIATOMITE (Diatomaceous Earth, DE) contains organic silica and other good stuff

Spinosad Organic Pesticide

pH Down strategy:
It's relatively easy to adjust the pH of RO'd water from 7.0- 7.3+/- to 5.5-6.5 by doing little more than tweaking the levels of nutes that are already present in most tea recipes. If you use fermented brews, the task is even easier because the pH crawls down as the yeast converts CHO -> alcohol. If we fed our plants w/ full and double strength solutions at every watering, kelp and vitamin B might be all that we need to bring, say, a 6.3 solution down to 5.7.

I have citrus trees which gives me the luxury of using fresh squeezed lemons as a general pH down. (I also use lemons and oranges in my fermentation recipes, but that's another story.) If I'm low on citrus or simply need to change things up for no apparent reason, I use vinegar to lower pH. Back when I was broke and the alligators were chasing my ass, cheap, white vinegar was my pH down. If vinegar has a negative impact on the mj growing culture as some claim, quite adamantly I might add, the effect must be minimal because I'm still here to tell you about it.

Organic, cold pressed vinegar has some advantages over the white distilled cheapies I used to buy but time is up and will save that, (and orange power) for another day. If you haven't tasted cold pressed, apple cider vinegar before, this will be a treat. Another advantage to having this around is that a daily dose is good for *our* health which, if you're like me, often plays 2nd fiddle to the well-being and happiness of the ladies.

Bragg's Organic, Cold Pressed Vinegar
Free Samples!
Eden Organic
 
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Great thread guys, I appreciate the wealth of knowledge you have shared
 
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bioag.com

Check out their endo mychorrhizae. It doesn't have trichoderma (which is a good thing) and is relatively cheap. Haven't personally tried it, but it comes highly recommended and the specs are good.
 
COCOLOCO

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mycorrhizae.com

This is where most reputable companies get their innoculants. Dr. Mikes the myco man... Probly seen him on Modern Marvels among other shows on NGeo/History Channel..
 
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mycorrhizae.com

This is where most reputable companies get their innoculants. Dr. Mikes the myco man... Probly seen him on Modern Marvels among other shows on NGeo/History Channel..

Very true, my only complaint is they don't have an endo mix without trichoderma. University studies in the last few years have shown that trichoderma (high P has the same effect), inhibits mycorrhizal colonization. Trichoderma has other plant benefits, but should really be a separate inoculant, after mycorrhizal infection has occurred.

I've used Mycorrhizal Applications Soluble MAXX to save a 25K japanese maple (among other things applied, including compost tea).

Dr. Mike's company makes about 95% of the myco stuff on the market, including the ones for Advanced Nutrients. Even Paul Stamets at fungi.com sources his myco from this company.
 
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Thought id post this nutrient source list I put together a few years back.. Havent touched it in a few years so its not totally complete and im sure theres some mistakes but I have yet to find anything close from a single source. Feel free to add to the list.. Keep in mind NPK ratios were from specific products I planned to play with and are just examples of approximate available ratios.

NUTRIENT SOURCES (ORGANIC/SYNTHETIC)

NITROGEN
BAT GUANO- 10-3-1
SEABIRD GUANO- 12-8-2 / 12-12-2.5 / 10-10-2.5
FEATHER MEAL- 13-0-0
FISH MEAL- 10-6-2
SHRIMP SHELL MEAL- 6-4-0
CRAB SHELL MEAL- 3-4-0
MUSHROOM COMPOST-
STEER MANURE-
CHICKEN MANURE-
RABBIT MANURE-
SHEEP MANURE-
HORSE MANURE-
WORM CASTINGS-
BLOOD MEAL- 14-0-0
BONE MEAL-
SOY BEAN MEAL- 7-2-1
COTTON SEED MEAL- 6-2.5-1
ALFALFA MEAL- 2.5-1-1
ALFALFA EXTRACT
CANOLA MEAL
MEADOWFOAM MEAL- 4-1-1
UREA- 46-0-0
UREA PHOSPHATE
CALCIUM NITRATE -15.5-0-0
AMMONIUM NITRATE
DIAMMONIUM NITRATE
POTASSIUM NITRATE
GLYCINE- CHELATING AGENT& N SOURCE


PHOSPHORUS
FISH BONE MEAL- 3-16-0
BAT GUANO- 3-10-1
SEABIRD GUANO-1-10-0 / 12-12-2.5 / 12-8-2 / 10-10-2.5
FISH MEAL- 10-6-2
CRAB SHELL MEAL- 3-4-0
SHRIMP SHELL MEAL- 4-6-0
BONE MEAL STEAMED- 3-15-0
MONO-POTASSIUM PHOSPHITE
DI-POTASSIUM PHOSPHITE
DI-AMMONIUM PHOSPHITE
POTASSIUM PYROPHOSPHATE
MONO-DI-TRI CALCIUM PHOSPHATE
DI-POTASSIUM PHOSPHATE-
NATURAL CALCIUM PHOSPHATE (GUANO)- 0-25-0
FUSE CAL/MAG PHOSPHATE- 0-20-0
UREA PHOSPHATE
SUPERPHOSPHATE- 0-20-0
TRIPLE SUPERPHOSPHATE- 0-45-0
PHOSPHORIC ACID- 0-53-0
CALCIUM PHOSPHATE- 5-17-4 (Ca: 6%)
SUPERPHOSPHORIC ACID- 0-78-0


POTASSIUM
KELP MEAL- 1-0.1-2
POTASSIUM HUMATE- 0-0-8
POTASSIUM NITROHUMATE
KELP EXTRACT-
GREENSAND- 0-0-3
GRANITE MEAL
VOLCANIC ASH
BASALT MEAL
AZOMITE- 0-0-2.5
BIOTITE-BLACK MICA
WOOD ASH- 0-2-6
POTASSIUM CITRATE
POTASSIUM AMINOATE
POTASSIUM PROTEINATE
POTASSIUM SILICATE
POTASSIUM FULVIC ACID- 70% powder, 8%,16% liquid
POTASSIUM CARBONATE-
POTASSIUM HYDROXIDE-
POTASSIUM PHOSPHATE- 0-52-34
DI-POTASSIUM PHOSPHATE-
POTASSIUM NITRATE-13-0-45
POTASSIUM SULPHATE- 0-0-50
SOFT ROCK PHOSPHATE- 0-20-0
SULPHATE OF POTASH- 0-0-50
POTASSIUM CHLORIDE- 0-0-25
MONOPOTASSIUM PHOSPHITE
DIPOTASSIUM PHOSPHITE
DIAMMONIUM PHOSPHITE
POTASSIUM PYROPHOSPHATE


CALCIUM
OYSTER SHELL LIME- 96%
OYSTER SHELL POWDER
GYPSUM-19.6%
DOLOMITE LIME- 49%
ARAGONITE-96%
CORAL CALCIUM
BLACK STAP MOLASSAS
SOFT ROCK PHOSPHATE- 20%
CALCIUM CARBONATE
CALCIUM CARBOHYDRONATE
CALCIUM AMINOATE
CALCIUM PROTEINATE- 20%
CALCIUM NITRATE-19%
CALCIUM GLYCINATE
CALCIUM GLUCOHEPTONATE- SUGER CHELATE
CALCIUM MALATE
CALCIUM CITRATE
CALCIUM THREONATE
CALCIUM CASEINATE
CALCIUM PROPINATE
CALCIUM CHELATE EDTA
CALCIUM PHOSPHATE
CALCIUM HYDROXIDE
CALCIUM CHLORIDE- SALT DOWN
CALCIUM OXIDE
CALCIUM ACETATE
D-CALCIUM PANTOTHENATE
IONIC CALCIUM

MAGNESIUM
DOLOMITE- 49%
MAGNESIUM PROTEINATE
MAGNESIUM AMINOATE
MAGNESIUM GLYCINATE
MAGNESIUM CARBOHYDRONATE
MAGNESIUM GLUCOHEPTONATE- SUGER CHELATE
MAGNESIUM CITRATE
MAGNESIUM NITRATE
MAGNISIUM SULPHATE (EPSOM SALTS)
POTASSIUM MAGNISIUM SULPHATE
MAGNESIUM OXIDE

SULPHUR
GYPSUM- 15.6%
TIGER 90- 90% + 10% BENTONITE
AMMONIUM SULFATE-24%


ZINC
ZINC OXIDE
ZINC PROTEINATE
ZINC AMINOATE
ZINC CARBOHYDRONATE
ZINC NITRATE
ZINC CITRATE
ZINC THREONATE
ZINC CASEINATE
ZINC PROPINATE
ZINC SULPHATE


IRON
CHELATED IRON EDTA
IRON PROTEINATE
IRON AMINOATE
IRON GLYCINATE
IRON GLUCOHEPTONATE
IRON CITRATE
IRON NITRATE
FERRIC SULPHATE
FERROUS SULPHATE
FERROUS FUMARATE
MANGANESE
MAGANESE PROTEINATE
MAGANESE SULPHATE
MAGANESE GLYCINATE

COPPER
COPPER SULPHATE
COPPER EDTA
COPPER PROTEINATE
CUPRIC OXIDE- 100%


BORON
BORAX
BORON PROTEINATE
BORON GLUCONATE
BORON TRIOXIDE


COBALT
COBALT NITRATE
COBALT PROTEINATE
COBALT EDTA
COBALT SULPHATE


MOLYBDENUM
SODIUM MOLYBDATE
MOLYBDENUM PROTEINATE
MOLYBDENUM EDTA
MOLYBDENUM GLYCINATE


SODIUM
SODIUM NITRATE
SODIUM CHLORIDE


CHLORINE

CHROMIUM
CHROMIUM PICOLINATE
CHROMIUM PROTEINATE


TRACE MINERALS
KELP MEAL
RED ALGAE
BASALT MEAL
GRANITE MEAL
VOLCANIC ROCK MEAL
AZOMITE
GLACIER DUST

SILICA
DIATOMITE
HIGROMITE
SILICA SAND
POTASSIUM SILICATE
SILICA AMINO ACID CHELATE (2% / 5%)


AMINO ACIDS
SPIRULINA POWDER
SPIRULINA- MAXIMA
SPIRULINA- KONA
KELP MEAL
KELP EXTRACT
AMINO PURINE
L-VALINE
L-LEUCINE
L-ISOLEUCINE
L-LYCINE- FUELS KREB CYCLE
L-LYSINE ACETATE
L-LYSINE HCI
L-METHIONINE
L-THEANINE
L-TAURINE
L-CARNITINE
ACETYL-L-CARNITINE
L-GLYCINE
L-ALANINE
L-SERINE
L-THREONINE
L-GUANINE
L-CYTOSINE
L-ASPARTIC ACID
L-GLUTIMIC ACID
L-ASPARAGINE
L-GLUTAMINE
L-GLUTATHIONE
L-HYDROXYPROLINE
L-PROLINE
L-ARGININE
L-HISTIDINE
L-THYMINE
L-ADENINE
L-CYSTINE
L-CYSTEINE
L-CITRULLINE
L-PHENYLALANINE
L-ORNITHINE
L-TYROSINE
L-TRIPTOPHAN
CREATINE MONOHYDRATE

PHYTOHORMONES-PLANT HORMONES
PEPTIDE HORMONES
STEROID HORMONES
INDOLE-3-ACETIC-ACID
TRANS-6-(4-HYDROXY-3-METHYLBUT-2-ENYL)

CYTOKININS
IPA-ISOPENTENYLADENINE
TNF-ALPHA- TUMOR NECROSIS FACTOR ALPHA
INTERLEUKIN-1 BETA
INTERLEUKIN-6

AUXINS

GIBBERELINS

VITAMINS
SPIRULINA
ROYAL JELLY
GRAPE SEED EXTRACT- 95%
VITAMIN A- BETA CAROTENE
VITAMIN B
VITAMIN B- NICOTINIC ACID
VITAMIN B COMPLEX
B1- THIAMINE HYDROCHLORIDE
B2- RIBOFLAVIN
B3- NIACIN/ NIACINAMIDE
B5- PANTOTHENIC ACID
B6- PYRIDOXINE HYDROCHLORIDE
B7- BIOTIN
B12- COBALAMIN/ CYANOCOBALAMIN
B17- AMYGDALIN/ LAETRILE
VITAMIN C- ABSORBIC ACID
VITAMIN D- CHOLECALCIFEROL
VITAMIN E- D-ALPHATOCOPHEROL
VITAMIN K1-
VITAMIN K2- SYNTHETIC K
VITAMIN K3
VITAMIN K4
VITAMIN H- P-AMINOBENZOIC ACID
VITAMIN P- BIOFLAVONOIDS
VITAMIN PP- NICOTINAMIDE
THIAMIN MONONITRATE
MEGA OMEGA-3 FISH OILS

PLANT STEROIDS
BETASITOSTEROL- PHYTOSTEROL
STIGMASTERAL
CAMPESTEROL
COENZYME Q10 (CoQ10)
BRASSINOLIDE
BRASSINOSTEROIDS-BR’s
BAS-1- DRARF GENE (LIMITS PLANT SIZE)

CARBOHYDRATES
BROWN RICE FLOUR
OAT BRAN MEAL/POWDER
FERMENTED YEAST EXTRACT
MALT EXTRACT
BLACK STRAP MOLASSAS
POWDERED SUGAR
BROWN CANE SUGAR
COMPLEX SUGARS
RAW BLUE AGAVE SWEETENER
SUCANAT
GLUCOSE
SUCROSE
CELLULOSE
FRUCTOSE
LYXOSE
RIBOSE
RIBULOSE
XYLOSE
XYLULOSE
XYLITOL
DEOXYRIBOSE
ARABINOSE
MALTADEXTRINE
MALTOSE
DEXTROSE

PROTEIN
PEA PROTEIN ISOLATE
BROWN RICE FLOUR
FERMENTED YEAST EXTRACT
ALOE VERA EXTRACT
ALOE VERA LEAVES POWDER
AQUEOUS EXTRACTS OF ETIOLATED WHEAT COLEOPT13LES
ZEA MAYS
YUCCA EXTRACT
WHEY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE
WHEY PROTEIN ISOLATE
FISH MEAL- 64%
FISH PROTEIN
CRAB/SHRIMP MEAL
EGG WHITE POWDER
EGG SHELL MEAL
CALCIUM PROTEINATE- 14%
SOY PROTEIN HYDROLYSATE
PROTEINATE
BIO-PROTEIN MEAL- 160%
HARPIN

PLANT PROTEINS
BRI1-
BIN2- KINASE
BES1
BZR1
BAS1- DWARF HORMONE
ABSCISIC ACID- ERA1- DROUGHT TOLERANT GENE


HUMATES
*LEONARDITE
HUMIC ACIDS
FULVIC ACIDS- 90%
ULVIC ACIDS

CHITIN/CHITOSAN
CRAB SHELL MEAL
CRAB SHELL POWDER
SHRIMP SHELL MEAL
SHRIMP SHELL POWDER
KRILL MEAL
INSECT SHELL MEAL

CHITOSAN
MARINOSAN CHITOSAN
GAMMA-AMINOBUTYIC ACID (GABA)


ENZYMES
PAPAIN-
AMYLASE- CARBOHYDRATE DIGESTER
BROMELAIN- PROTEIN DIGESTER
PROTEASE- PROTEIN DIGESTER
CELLULASE
COENZYME Q10 (CoQ10)- COMES FROM TYROSINE
LACTASE- DIGESTS MILK PRODUCTS
LIPASE-
MALTASE- SUGAR DIGESTER

BENEFICIAL FUNGI
MYCORRHIZAE
ENDO-
ECTO-
TRICHODERMA-
HARZIANUM
KONINGII
LIGNORUM
VARIDE

BENEFICIAL BACTERIA
BACILLUS-
SUBTILLUS
THURENGIENSIS
LICHENIFORMIS
AZOTOFORMANS
MEGATERIUM
COAGULANS
PUMLIS
STEAROTHERMIPHILIS

PAENIBACILLUS-
POLYMYXA
GORDONAE
DURUM

AZOSPIRILLUM-
BRASILENSE

AZOBACTER-
POLYMYXA
CHROOCOCCUM
VINELANDII

CHAETOMIUM-
GLOBOSUM

SACCHROMYCES-
CEREVISIAE

STREPTOMYCES-
GRISEUES
CELLULOSAE
ALIBIDOFLAVUS
LYDICUS

PSUEDOMONAS-
AUREOACEANS
FLORESCENCE
PUTIDA
STUTZERI
CELLULOA

POLYANGIUM-
CELLULOSUM

CELLULOMONAS-
CELLUSEA

RHIZOBIUM-
JAPONICUM
LEGUMINOSARUM

DEINOCOCCUS-
ERYTHROMYXA

CHELATES
CITRIC ACID
FULVIC ACID
AMINO ACIDS- AMINOATE
GLYCINE- GLYCINATE
CARBOHYDRONATE
PROTEINATE
EDTA
HEEDTA
NTA
DTPA
EDDHA


FLAVOR STIMULANTS
RAW CANE EXTRACT
POLYFLAVONOIDS
BIOFLAVANOIDS
CITRIC BIOFLAVONOIDS
ANTHOCYANIN BIOFLAVANOIDS
PHYTONUTRIENT SYNERGISTS
TYRPAMINS
QUERCETIN
POLYPHENOLS- 75%
SOYBEAN ISOFLAVONES- 20%/ 40%/ 60%

MALT EXTRACT
FRUCTOSE
CORN SYRUP
CORN SYRUP SOLIDS
BLACK STRAP MOLASSAS
CITRUS BIOFLAVANOID
BEE POLLEN
HONEY
FRESH ROYAL JELLY- 10-HDA: 1.8%/ 2.0%
LYCOPHILIZED ROYAL JELLY- 10-HDA: 6.0%/ 5.5%/ 5.0%
BEE PROPOLIS- PURITY: 95%/ 80%/ 70%/ 60%/ 50%
CRUDE BEE PROPOLIS- PURITY: 50% MIN
GRAPE EXTRACT
GRAPEFRUIT EXTRACT
CRANBERRY EXTRACT
ELDERBERRY EXTRACT
HUCKLEBERRY EXTRACT
BANNANA EXTRACT
BANNANA POWDER
COCONUT POWDER
MANGO EXTRACT
PAPAYA EXTRACT
PAPAYA POWDER
APPLE EXTRACT
RED ONION EXTRACT
SUGAR BEET EXTRACT
BEET MOLASSAS
APPLE PECTIN
APPLE POWDER
RASPBERRY CONCENTRATE
BOYSENBERRY EXTRACT
BLUEBERRY EXTRACT
ORANGE SHELL POWDER
GUARANA EXTRACT
PASSION FRUIT EXTRACT
PINEAPPLE POWDER
PINEAPPLE EXTRACT-CONTAINS BROMELAIN ENZYME

VITAMINS (FLAVANOID)
B1- THIAMINE HYDROCHLORIDE
B2- RIBOFLAVIN
B3- NIACIN
B5- PANTHENIC ACID
B6- PYRIDOXINE
B7- BIOTIN
B12- COBALAMIN

ROOT HORMONE STIMULANTS
INDOLE BUTYRIC ACID
NAPHTHALENE ACETIC ACID


GROWTH STIMULANTS
TRIACONTANOL- BEES WAX EXTRACT/ PHOTOSYNTHISIS ENHANCER, INCREASE CELL DIVISION AND BRIX LEVELS

PHYTOSTIMULANTS
INDOLE ACETIC ACID
BENZYLAMINOPURINE- CYTOKININ STIMULANT
SAPONINS
BRASSINOLIDE- PLANT STEROID
BLUISH DOGBANE
GIBBERELLIC ACID
YLANG YLANG OIL
BLUE GREEN ALGAE (SPIRULINA)
FISH PROTEIN

ANTIOXIDANTS
ALPHA LIPOIC ACID
BETA CAROTINE
BIOTINE
TOCOPHEROL
CHOLINE
CAROTENE
VITAMIN C
VITAMIN E
VITAMIN A
CATS CLAW
GINKGO BILOBA
GRAPE SEED EXTRACT
GREEN TEA
ROSEMARY EXTRACT
OREGANO EXTRACT
SELENIUM
COENZYME Q10

INSECT REPELLANTS
LAVENDER OIL
ROSEMARY EXTRACT
HOT PEPPER EXTRACT
NEEM SEED MEAL
NEEM OIL
EUCALYPTUS OIL
BACILLUS THURENGEISIS/SUBTILLIS- FUNGUS GNATS

ELECTROLYTES

FUNGICIDE
VALIDAMYCIN
POTASSIUM BI-CARBONATE

LEACH
UREA AND CALCIUM CHLORIDE
POTASSIUM NITRATE AND CALCIUM CHLORIDE
 
GanjaGardener

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I got a Metrop connection, What are you looking for? I just got a whole sample run of there line up, Super Concentrated.
super concentrated and doesn't require calculus or rely on inference to arrive at (fudge?) relative EC values. I've had my sights on Metrop since running across their ad in, ironically enough, the first issue of Rosebud, AN's slick, well produced rag and testament to the health of the mj ag market.

I'd like to run their entire line on 3-6 plant test subjects to make a side by side, stage by stage comparison w/ my current, home grown program. Last year I became very expansive w/ varieties, (I think over 20) and was making medium and tea changes from run to run. Things have settled down enough to devote some time to a test.

I thought of running EJ, the original inspiration for my "line" but have already been and done so while interesting, going back to get a report card is a bit too academic for my tastes. Besides the fact that I've had "green yogurt" on my mind for over a year, I'd like to have a context- a basis of comparison. If like it, I might run it exclusively for a couple of months to recharge the batts and give my head a vacation from the tea/brew/ferm/substrate lab that I've been running.

Way more than what you needed or prolly wanted to know- i try to keep it concise and stay on point, but alas, I'm more more blogger than forum poster (believe me, it's endocrines and not by design) and this is the first thread at the Farm that I've felt comfortable coming out a bit, because it's the first one I've started. And here I am blogging about being a blogger in a forum thread. :sign0023:

What I can and will do to compensate for any excess, (but hopefully supportive of the topic), verbiage is to consolidate the data base into a single post from time to time to facilitate information retrieval.

dextr0- thx for PM will get back.
 
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I received a PM, (member can disclose if s/he wishes), that sent up a flag when I first read it and brought up a couple of issues.
i was under the impression we couldnt use them [oranges] because they arnt used in bokashi i guess?
The only thing I know about bokashi is that it's a compost technique and I assume it comes from a Japanese source which sounds like a win-win to me. Maybe someone in the know could give us a thumbnail about why oranges aren't used in bokashi- what physical characteristics make it verboten.

Using oranges in my fruit brew came about slowly. A half orange -> 5gal at a time. I'm currently using 4 oranges, peels and all -> 5gal and haven't noticed any ill effects but that doesn't guarantee their efficacy as an ingredient in fert fermentation. I can say w/ certainty that 4 oranges in a 5 gal solution won't kill your plants or yeast culture. Can't say much about the 'crobes w/o a microscope and someone to show me what I'm looking for. I'll go further into it, but in short- sugars and a low concentration of l-limonene in the soil as a systemic are the two key benefits. Heck, ran across some folks who are using straight up orange peel oil in their teas as a foliar pesticide and/or a drench for red ants. I don't have a clear picture of the science involved, however.

If you find something that contradict your understanding or appears a bit dubious, feel free to send a PM or just put it out there. Discreet communication has it's place and I appreciate forum etiquette and the consideration that the member showed me, but as far as this thread/topic is concerned, it's open season and I'm fair game.:character0110:
 
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...it's open season and I'm fair game.:character0110:
I never said that, did I?!! Ha-Ha. You're too late. I take it all back. :whew

Picked up a few bags of perlite from the farm supply store in preparation for tonight's grunt session which is less grunt than it used to be because 5:1 perlite:soiless is lighter and much more mixer friendly than it used to be when the ratio was flipped the other way around. To be honest w/ you, I figured that I'd be running everything in coir by now, but perlite and teas have proven to be such a good marriage, I haven't had the heart, (or nerve) to break them up. With an 90-95%% perlite mix, (approx 95% w/ the 2" bottom) , the technique employed during the outset is essentially hydroponic. The tea residue slowly fills in the crevices, the root mass builds and by week 3 of flower, I'm soil farming.

Perlite isn't a very sexy topic, but there are a couple of details worth knowing about and 2 major pitfalls to avoid.

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4 cu ft, $20 out the door. I put on a mask (and goggles if convenient) pour the perlite into a garbage can, water down and heave onto the cement floor of my workroom. Next, fold in the soiless (mixed up a day or 2 prior to let the pH settle and give the nutes a chance to intermingle.) Blend well but don't overdo- it doesn't have to be perfect- the nutes in the soiless are already well blended. Remember- Low wear and tear on the perlite = less breakdown and compression in the medium downstream.

Agricultural perlite generally comes in two grid sizes- for my program, #3 course works substantially better than #2 medium.
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Perlite3


Check the condition of the bag and, if you can, the contents. If the bag looks worked or there are signs that it's been sitting around for awhile, take a pass. If you open a bag at work and it's broken down and dusty, don't use it. The dust turns to silt, the medium gets clogged up and separates, water takes forever to drain and the plants have to work too hard to breathe Once the medium hits that state, it's irreversible- a lost cause. Trying to revive it by adding in the good stuff is throwing $$'s away. I know this from 1st hand experience and one lesson was enough.
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the alphabetical npk list of random compost material


Material Nitrogen Phosphoric acid Potash
Alfalfa hay 2.45 0.5 2.1
Apple fruit 0.05 0.02 0.1
Apple leaves 1 0.15 0.35
Apple pomace 0.2 0.02 0.15
Apple skin (ash) - 3.08 11.74
Banana skin (ash) - 3.25 41.76
Banana stalk (ash) - 2.34 49.4
Barley (grain) 1.75 0.75 0.5
Bat guano 6 9 -
Bean and pod 0.25 0.08 0.3
Beet waste 0.4 0.4 3
Beet waste (root) 0.25 0.1 0.5
Blood meal 15 1.3 0.7
Bone meal 4 21 0.2
Bone (ground and burned) - 34.7 -
Brewer's grains (wet) 0.9 0.5 0.05
Brigham tea (ash) - - 5.94
Cantaloupe rind (ash) - 9.77 12.21
Castor bean pomace 5.5 2.25 1.13
Cattail reed & water lilly 2.02 0.81 3.43
Cattail seed 0.98 0.39 1.71
Chicken manure 1.63 1.54 0.85
Coal ash (anthracite) - 0.125 0.125
Coal ash (bituminous) - 0.45 0.45
Cocoa shell dust 1.04 1.49 2.71
Coffee grounds 2.08 0.32 0.28
Coffee grounds (dried) 1.99 0.36 0.67
Corn (grain) 1.65 0.65 0.4
Corn (green forage) 0.3 0.13 0.33
Corncob (ground, charred) - - 2.01
Corncob (ash) - - 50
Cotton seed 3.15 1.25 1.15
Cottonseed meal 7 2.5 1.5
Cottonseed-hull (ash) - 8.7 23.93
Cotton waste 1.32 0.45 0.36
Cow manure (fresh) 0.29 0.17 0.1
Cowpea, green forage 0.45 0.12 0.45
Cowpes, seed 3.1 1 1.2
Crab (common) 1.95 3.6 0.2
Crab (king, dried and ground) 10 0.25 0.06
Crab (king, fresh) 2.3 - -
Crabgrass 0.66 0.19 0.71
Cucumber skin (ash) - 11.28 27.2
Dog manure (fresh) 1.97 9.95 0.3
Duck manure (fresh) 1.12 1.44 0.49
Egg 2.25 0.4 0.15
Eggshell (burned) - 0.43 0.29
Eggshell 1.19 0.38 0.14
Feather 15.3 - -
Felt hat factory waste 3.8 - 0.98
Field bean (seed) 4 1.2 1.3
Field bean (shell) 1.7 0.3 1.3
Fish scrap (red snapper) 7.76 13 0.38
Fish scrap (fresh) 6.5 3.75 -
Greasewood (ash) - - 12.61
Gluten feed 4.5 - -
Greensand - 1.5 5
Grape leaves 0.45 0.1 0.35
Grapes (fruit) 0.15 0.07 0.3
Grapefruit skin (ash) - 3.58 30.6
Hair 14 - -
Hare and rabbit waste 7 2.4 0.6
Hoof meal and horn dust 12.5 1.75 -
Horse manure (fresh) 0.44 0.17 0.35
Incinerator ash 0.24 5.15 2.33
Jellyfish (dried) 4.6 - -
Leather (acidulated) 7.5 - -
Leather (ground) 11 - -
Leather (ash) - 2.16 0.35
Lemon cull 0.15 0.06 0.26
Lemon skin - 6.3 31
Lobster (refuse) 4.5 3.5 -
Lobster (shell) 4.6 3.52 -
Milk 0.5 0.3 0.18
Mud (fresh water) 1.37 0.26 0.22
Mud (harbour) 0.99 0.77 0.05
Mussel 0.9 0.12 0.13
Mussel mud (dried) 0.72 0.35 -
Molasses residue (brewing) 0.7 - 5.32
Moss 0.6 0.1 0.55
Oak leaf 0.8 0.35 0.15
Oats grain 2 0.8 0.6
Olive pomace 1.15 0.78 1.26
Olive refuse 1.22 0.18 0.32
Orange cull 0.2 0.13 0.21
Orange skin (ash) - 2.9 27
Oyster shell 0.36 10.38 0.09
Paint processing waste 0.02 39.5 -
Pea pod (ash) - 1.79 9
Peach leaf 0.9 0.15 0.6
Peanut (seed & kernel) 3.6 0.7 4.5
Peanut shell 0.8 0.15 0.5
Peanut shell (ash) - 1.23 6.45
Pigeon manure (fresh) 4.19 2.24 1.41
Pig manue (fresh) 0.6 0.41 0.13
Pigweed (rough) 0.6 0.16 -
Pine needle 0.46 0.12 0.03
Potato (tuber) 0.35 0.15 0.5
Potato (leaf and stalk) 0.6 0.15 0.45
Potato skin (ash) - 5.18 27.5
Poudrette 1.46 3.68 0.48
Powderworks waste 2.5 - 17
Prune refuse 0.18 0.7 0.31
Pumpkin (fresh) 0.16 0.07 0.26
Pumpkin seed 0.87 0.5 0.45
Rabbit brush (ash) - - 13.04
Ragweed 0.76 0.26 -
Redtop hay 1.2 0.35 1
Rhubarb stem 0.1 0.04 0.35
Rockweed 1.9 0.25 3.68
Rose (flower) 0.3 0.1 0.4
Salt-marsh hay 1.1 0.25 0.75
Salt mud 0.4 - -
Sardine scrap 7.97 7.11 -
Seawood 1.68 0.75 4.93
Sheep manure (fresh) 0.55 0.31 0.15
Shoddy and felt 8 - -
Shrimp head (dried) 7.82 4.2 -
Shrimp waste 2.87 9.95 -
Silt waste 9.5 - -
Silk mill waste 8.37 1.14 0.12
Silk worm cocoon 9.42 1.82 1.08
Sludge 2 1.9 0.3
Sludge (activated) 5 3.25 0.6
Sludge from sewer beds 0.74 0.33 0.24
Soot from chimney fllue 5.25 1.05 0.35
Starfish 1.8 0.2 0.25
Sunflower seed 2.25 1.25 0.79
Sugar (raw, residue) 1.14 8.33 -
Sweet potato skins (ash) - 3.29 13.89
Sweet potato 0.25 0.1 0.5
Tanbark (ash) - 0.34 3.8
Tanbark ash (spent) - 1.75 2
Tankage 6 5 -
Tea grounds 4.15 0.62 0.4
Tea leaves (ash) - 1.6 0.44
Timothy hay 1.25 0.55 1
Tobacco leaves 4 0.5 6
Tobacco stalk 3.7 0.65 4.5
Tobacco stem 2.5 0.9 7
Tomato fruit 0.2 0.07 0.35
Tomato leaves 0.35 0.1 0.4
Tomato stalk 0.35 0.1 0.5
Wheat, bran 2.65 2.9 1.6
Wheat grain 2 0.85 0.5
Wheat straw 0.5 0.15 0.6
White clover (green) 0.5 0.2 0.3
White sage (ash) - - 13.77
Wood ash (leached) - 1.25 2
Wood ash (unleached) - 1.5 7
Wool waste 5.5 3 2
 
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Thanks for the list and link dextr0.

While lists of organic nutrients and their properties are valuable resources, I was envisioning something a bit different for this thread- not that I own the thread- but what I'm looking for is the analysis and evaluation of specific products, suppliers, and materials- nuts and bolts stuff to help bridge the organic tea and/or fermentation discussions to the organic marketplace. What I don't want to do is duplicate info available at other threads or post lists that a little online search can turn up. If that's where the thread goes, you might as well kill it as far as I'm concerned.

What I'd like to know: Where are other people shopping? What are your knock out products? (And for some context), how are you using them.
 

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