California: Historic Vote On Cannabis Regulation To Take Place On Tuesday, January 12

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even if they do legalize it it will take years to get a steady supply system going. Cali isnt the only place supplying weed. we import tons of it everyday from other countries. you think some company is gonna just be able to set up all these warehouses overnight? they will need to secure genetics and people to grow them and run these plants, people like you the growers that are so worried about this. Its not like big company got a ton of growers on hand to grow this pot. I'm sure over time college degrees and all that will be required but for now "we" will have to do.

On top of that no one is forcing anyone to buy weed from these companies. No one is gonna stop you from growing your own. If your good at what you do, and have genetics no one else does you will shine thru. Think about the money breeders will be able to make. I think we will be fine for years to come even if these laws pass. you just got to adapt. when they stopped prohibition the bootleggers started their own companies. Seagram's, the kennedys still make money to this day off of Dewar's Scotch. Poeple like us will have it easier i think. whats stopping us from getting together and starting our own companies?



Words of wisdom...thanks Kid!
 
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if this were to pass, IMHO it would take a BIg Tabbacco company 6 mos to a year to get up and running producing metric tons regularly.. With all the money they have bro its gonna be up to us, the ones that have been underground with the genes to hold down the fort. They need to get genes from somewhere and its up to us growers and to breeders to give them the big finger when they come asking with their big checks..


Sorry sir fuck you and your fat check, im not gonna sell out my people ...

thats the only way we can keep control of the market
 
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they will just go to amsterdam or the clinics in cali to get genes. and how the hell are they gonna set up and produce tons in 6 mons to a year? it would take them that long just to get mom plants. or maybe they can do tissue cultures...idk? they need to hire staff, set up grow op's, secure distrubution and retail outlets. which they will need licenses(store owners). Plus they have to set up a sytem that is cost effective. no oen even knows what the price of the final product will be yet.

not only that we are consuming so much weed on a daily basis tons of it are coming in everyday. the only way they can be up and running so fast is to outsource the growing. and that is us.
 
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Hello farmer, This is not a reply but a news update. I wasn't allowed to post on the news forum for some raeson unknown to me, but JOHN PATRICK BIDELL...walked to the doors of the defense dept and attempted to shoot two police officers. This happened at approx. 5AM EST and I just saw it on the news. The media is saying that this person, Mr Bidell was angered over the military and the existing Marijuana laws! This is important as it now links us to hand gun violence. Please pass this along to everyone . You will see it on the news this morning ......we will take a hit for this one. They will play it up and spin it for antiMJ laws old.Ford
 
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they will just go to amsterdam or the clinics in cali to get genes. and how the hell are they gonna set up and produce tons in 6 mons to a year? it would take them that long just to get mom plants. or maybe they can do tissue cultures...idk? they need to hire staff, set up grow op's, secure distrubution and retail outlets. which they will need licenses(store owners). Plus they have to set up a sytem that is cost effective. no oen even knows what the price of the final product will be yet.

not only that we are consuming so much weed on a daily basis tons of it are coming in everyday. the only way they can be up and running so fast is to outsource the growing. and that is us.

it will be 5 years before big biz controls the industry. it will take 2 years minimum to get these companies up & running IMHO. if it were legalized, i would be all for it. i have a 4 acre warehouse losing 50k/month right now...anyone want to start a huge grow op? lol


big biz would outsource to the small guys at first and the best small guys would become the operators of the big biz opps in the future
 
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Hello farmer, This is not a reply but a news update. I wasn't allowed to post on the news forum for some raeson unknown to me, but JOHN PATRICK BIDELL...walked to the doors of the defense dept and attempted to shoot two police officers. This happened at approx. 5AM EST and I just saw it on the news. The media is saying that this person, Mr Bidell was angered over the military and the existing Marijuana laws! This is important as it now links us to hand gun violence. Please pass this along to everyone . You will see it on the news this morning ......we will take a hit for this one. They will play it up and spin it for antiMJ laws old.Ford

The crazy part is that hand guns are legal and weed isn't.
 
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vote no 2 passing it!!!!! keep it medical!!!!!!!! if you grow for smoke and money 2 help pay your rent and bills YOUR FUCKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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all it does it let the average joe able 2 have a oz!!!! for all us growers who do sell a little 2 clubs 2 help pay our bills it takes away our imcome and the goverment makes the money instead of the growers!!!!! FUCK THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! VOTE NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! every1 is all ready medical and legal in ca!!!!!!!!! dont let the goverment get our profit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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there will be no tabacoo companys taking over ITS GOVERMENT RUN!!!!! NO OUTSIDE SOURCES!!!!!!!! THE GOVERMENT GET THE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! VOTE NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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big yields...youre spouting bullshit buddy


its NOT govt run. if you consider it govt ran, then so are every single agricultural farms in the state.


they want to set up a department to handle permits specifically for cultivating marijuana.



there is a line on the 2nd page of the bill that specifically states "COMMERCIAL MARIJUANA PRODUCTION AND SALE"...in caps and everything.


under that line, it states that the DEPARTMENT shall license COMMERCIAL CULTIVATORS of MJ. the fee for this license is not to exceed 5000 for initial license and 2500 for renewal.


have you guys even read the entire bill? looks like its a step towards the decriminalization of MJ. allowing for sales and even profits to be made.

the department also allows for marijuana wholesalers to package and ship marijuana to licensed outlets



its basically saying, if you are under 21, you cant have any association with MJ. nothing about a govt ran growing opp
 
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the best way to look at this bill would be this....its the DMV for weed. you sign up, take a test, pay a fee, get a license.


the govt isnt trying to drive your vehicle for you.....
 
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Your predicted supply chain timeline makes sense, although there are a few points to make. Securing the top genetics is fairly simple-for anyone. Now for the people to work these factories, yes will produce jobs, help the economy grow, but it makes these people expendable to the company. What is going to stop these companies from patenting new strains, and anyone caught growing them being slapped with patent infringment penalties and possibly jail time? I agree we can start breeding companies here, we just need to be careful. We need to be at the forefront of Cannabis genetic research. Prohibition has hindered progress so much, who knows where we could be today. I am just weary about giving too much control to the government without proper guidelines.

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Your predicted supply chain timeline makes sense, although there are a few points to make. Securing the top genetics is fairly simple-for anyone. Now for the people to work these factories, yes will produce jobs, help the economy grow, but it makes these people expendable to the company. What is going to stop these companies from patenting new strains, and anyone caught growing them being slapped with patent infringment penalties and possibly jail time? I agree we can start breeding companies here, we just need to be careful. We need to be at the forefront of Cannabis genetic research. Prohibition has hindered progress so much, who knows where we could be today. I am just weary about giving too much control to the government without proper guidelines.

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how can you patent a strain? its a plant that is grown in the wild. someone can claim its a land based plant crossed with X and thats that.

the only way to patent something like that would be if you had a genetic alteration that has never been done before. otherwise someone would have patented the palm tree by now....
 
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yea it will produse jobs for goverment imploye family members and friends just like every other company in the usa, its who you know!!!!!!!! do you really think there going 2 hire regular people off the streets hell no what company does that!!!!!! maybe for the slave labor jobs that pay 9 a hour but not the high paying jobs those go 2 family and friends as favors!!!!!!! i grow tree for me and 2 pay my bills i could give a fuck about the state!!!!!! they dont give a fuck about me they dont pay my bills why would i vote 2 help them get my money????? you got it twisted!!!!! it is legal for medical patients!!!!!!!!!!! who cant get a medical card in CA??????? all you got 2 do is pay 80 and say you got a head ache and poof your medical!!!!!!!!!!!!! you got it real twisted you sound like a state worker!!!!!! im voting no!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the state aint going 2 give us shit there going 2 take all the money and spend it on them selves like they do with everything else!!!!!!
 
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the money the goverment makes is going 2 go 2 build more prisons and pay more police!!!! when do they ever give back 2 schools or medical???????? they spend that money on policing us!!!!!! they all ways lie 2 us!!!! the money never goes 2 us!!!! why should we help them????? thats our money the growers here on this site and other sites!!!!!! keep it medical fuck giving the state our money!!!!!!! you must be a state worker you sure aint no cali grower!!!!!!!!
 
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Here is the plant patent information: I have attached the link so you can read it yourself. Plant genetic patents can and will happen for Cannabis, there is too much money involved.



I have also posted the entire doc here as well...

"Plant Genetic Engineering and
Intellectual Property Protection
Brian D. Wright, Professor of Agricultural and Resource Economics, University of
California, Berkeley
Were rights to plant varieties protected prior to the development of genetically
engineered varieties?
Three kinds of protection have been available for some time. Legal protection of plant
varieties was introduced in the United States long before the development of genetically
engineered plants. Since 1930 a type of patent introduced especially for plants,
known as a “plant patent,” has been available from the U.S. Patent and Trademark
Office (USPTO) in the Department of Commerce to protect novel clonally propagated
(i.e., asexually reproduced) plant varieties including fruit trees, ornamentals, and
berries. Plant patents, like the more common and much older utility patents available
for inventions, are currently enforceable from the date they are granted until 20
years from the date of application. Since 1970, Plant Variety Protection Certificates
(PVPCs) have been available from the U.S. Department of Agriculture. The term of
protection offered under a PVPC is now 20 years for most crops, 25 for trees and
vines. Farmers are allowed to save seed of varieties protected by PVPCs for replanting
their crops, but they cannot provide or sell those seeds to others for planting.
Varieties eligible for protection are those that are new, uniform, stable (in the sense
of reproducing their characteristics in their progeny), and distinct from existing
varieties. It is important to note that plant patents and PVPCs prevent only unlawful
proliferation of the variety; they do not prevent the use of protected plant materials
for breeding purposes. In contrast, the more broad-ranging utility patents not only
prevent seed increase via reproduction of the same variety, they also protect breeders
against unauthorized use of protected varieties for breeding and research purposes.
A third means of production is hybridization. Seed saved from a hybrid crop
(produced from different male and female parental varieties) does not yield nearly
as highly as the initial hybrid crop. Thus, breeders of hybrid crops have an effective
nonlegal protection against replanting by farmers. Heavy private investment in crop
breeding has tended to be concentrated in hybrids, in particular hybrid corn and
hybrid horticultural crops. For other crops, most breeding-related research has until
recently been largely concentrated in the public sector, in agricultural experiment stations
and universities (Wright et al. 2005).

What kinds of intellectual property protection are available for plant breeders today?
The development of genetic engineering of plants in the 1980s was accompanied by
a sequence of increasingly specific confirmations of the patentability of various types
of life forms, provided that they met the standard patent criteria of novelty, utility,
and nonobviousness. The 1980 Supreme Court decision in Diamond v. Chakrabarty
(44 U.S. 303, 1980) held that regular utility patents could be granted for inventions
involving living organisms. This decision specifically addressed the patentability of a
newly created microorganism that could break down crude in a manner that might
be useful to control oil spills. Subsequent U.S. Patent and Trademark Office and
Supreme Court decisions confirmed that plants and animals, including those created
by conventional breeding, and particular sequences of genetic material or DNA such
as genes, markers, and promoters (which control the expression of genes in cells),
could be protected by utility patents.
UNI VERSIT Y OF
CALIFORNIA
Division of Agriculture
and Natural Resources

Agricultural Biotechnology in California Series PUBLICATION 8186

Utility patent protection is also available for novel methods of breeding and
genetic engineering, for new varieties produced by these methods. and for research
tools. A novel plant might, for example, be protected by a utility patent on the variety
or on its genes, by a plant patent or PVPC, or by a combination of these means. A
plant might also be patented as a product of the novel method by which it was produced,
such as genetic engineering. Utility patents protect the plant breeders’ or
inventors’ rights to control the use, sale, import, and reproduction of plants that have
been patented or that incorporate patented material. This means that, using utility
patents, plant breeders can dictate the terms under which such plants can be used and
can prevent others from using them for any subsequent breeding or for seed increase
via replanting of the harvested seed. Utility patents also restrict public or private
research uses of patented materials and methods.
Today, utility patents, plant patents, PVPCs, and state laws that protect trade
secrets (valuable proprietary information held by a corporation or its employees) are
used by U.S. breeders, including seed companies, experiment stations, and universities,
to protect the fruits of their breeding and research. The choice of which one or
more of the various protective measures to use is influenced by their eligibility for the
various means of protection and the relative cost and effectiveness of enforcement of
each means of protection. The new molecular and genomic tools used in genetically
engineering plants have also vastly enhanced the enforceability of intellectual property
protection by providing new and more powerful means of establishing that someone
has illegally used a protected variety. It is now possible to definitively characterize
plants and seeds at the molecular level by establishing their unique “fingerprints” in a
manner similar to that used for DNA profiling in criminal cases. It is also possible to
detect the use of protected varieties or genetic material in breeding new varieties.

How do patent holders control the use of their varieties, genetic materials,
and methods?
The terms of commercial transactions in seeds or other plant genetic material can
include protection of the inventions embodied in the material by
• explicit licenses signed by buyers (breeders or farmers) that restrict resale or use
of the material in breeding or for production of seed for replanting.
• bag label contracts (like “shrink-wrap” contracts for software) that restrict the use
of the materials by farmers and others.
• Material Transfer Agreements (MTAs), which contractually define the rights and
obligations of recipients with respect to these materials.
• “Technology Use Agreements,” contracts restricting the use of plant genetic
material by farmers. For example, such an agreement could restrict sowing of
seeds to a specified area of land. It might also allow the provider of the seeds to
test the farmer’s crops for several years in the future, to check that the farmer does
not violate the terms of relevant licenses or other contracts.
The intellectual property protections of plants and plant breeding described
above are at most national in scope. Plant breeders’ rights similar to U.S. plant variety
protection are available in other countries that are members of the International Union
for the Protection of New Varieties of Plants (known by its French acronym, UPOV).
Membership in UPOV is proliferating globally as developing countries that are members
of the World Trade Organization (WTO) attempt to comply with provisions of
the 1994 Trade-related Aspects of Intellectual Property Rights agreement (TRIPS; see
http://www.wto.org/english/docs_e/legal_e/27-trips.pdf), which was designed to ensure
minimum standards of intellectual property protection among WTO member countries.
This agreement requires a minimum standard for awarding patent protection, but it allows member countries to adopt their own unique (“sui generis”) systems of
protection specifically designed for plant varieties as alternatives to utility patents for
plants. Plant variety protection consistent with UPOV guidelines is generally thought
to qualify as such a sui generis alternative under TRIPS.
Many countries do not allow patenting of plant varieties (Boettiger et al. 2004).
Contractual restrictions can in some cases substitute for patent protection in such
countries, and plant variety protection is available not only for sexually reproduced
varieties, but also for clones such as vines and rootstocks that would qualify for plant
patent protection in the United States. But in many countries, lack of the more powerful
utility patent protection (or lack of effective enforcement of patent rights) can be a
serious obstacle for companies that would otherwise be interested in introducing new
and superior plant varieties.

How can the legal restrictions on plants and plant breeding be enforced?
Intellectual property rights in plants and plant breeding materials and methods can
be enforced by lawsuits against infringers. Many patent infringement lawsuits involve
competing breeders, biotech firms, and/or universities. Lawsuits against farmers and
agricultural biotechnology firms may involve allegations of patent infringement or
violation of licenses, bag-label contracts, or provisions of technology use agreements.
Damages paid by infringing farmers typically do not cover the expenses incurred by
the firms. Such lawsuits appear to be economically justified only if they serve more
broadly to discourage others from infringing.

What has been the effect of patents on development of new varieties?
Enhanced intellectual property protection is widely credited with providing an incentive
for the increased private investment in crop breeding and genetic engineering
since the 1980s. Possession of patents is often viewed as necessary for attracting outside
investment in a startup biotech company. However, the high cost of transactions
involving intellectual property rights is one factor that has encouraged the mergers
and consolidation that have occurred since 1995 involving companies engaged in the
genetic engineering of plants (Graff, Rausser, and Small 2003; Graff et al. 2003). Entry
by new firms has been discouraged by the need to negotiate a growing “thicket” of
existing patent claims on important technologies. Private plant genetic engineering is
now dominated by a handful of firms. One, Monsanto, currently accounts for about
half of all U.S. field trials and the dominant share of commercial acreage of genetically
engineered crops.
Earlier attempts to commercialize genetically engineered potatoes, tomatoes,
tobacco, and wheat have been abandoned in the face of low profitability and consumer
acceptance issues. Leading agricultural biotechnology firms have increasingly focused
on a small set of crops with large markets of high aggregate value, including soybeans,
corn, cotton, and canola. These crops, genetically engineered by a handful of private
multinational firms for traits valued by farmers, including herbicide tolerance, and
pest resistance conferred by genetic material from a bacterium, Bacillus thuringiensis (Bt),
have been widely and rapidly adopted in the Americas. There has also been substantial
adoption of genetically modified crops in Argentina, Brazil, China, India, South Africa,
Australia, and elsewhere (James 2005), with the prominent exception of countries
where consumer opposition to genetically engineered crops is strong, including Japan,
and some members of the European Union where major chemical crop protection
firms threatened by genetic engineering are based.

Why haven’t genetically engineered varieties of “minor crops,” like those grown
in California, become available to farmers?
Responsibility for breeding many other crops such as wheat, barley, rice, and “orphan”
or small acreage crops (other than hybrid horticultural crops) still lies primarily with
the public sector. Over the past century or so public-sector breeding has yielded a very
high rate of return on the public’s investment (Alston et al. 2000; Huffman and Evenson
1993). But financial support for such research is waning, while costs for the field trials
and the gathering of the regulatory data necessary to gain approval of genetically engineered
crops are now very high. The extent to which small-acreage crops will benefit
from genetic engineering is uncertain. Public-sector breeders must generally collaborate
with the private sector to access the financial and physical resources needed to bring a
crop to market. Unfortunately, there has been a decline in the opportunities to develop
plant breeding innovations with startup firms or seed companies. The causes of this
decline include issues related to consumer acceptance, the costs of conducting field
trials, and the expenses associated with meeting other regulatory requirements.
Problems have also been caused by restrictions imposed by prior public or private
intellectual property rights (Wright 1998). Under the Bayh-Dole Act of 1980, universities
and other research institutions retain ownership of inventions produced by their
researchers or breeders with the support of federal funds. Many patented basic materials
and methods for genetic engineering in agriculture were generated either in private corporations
or in universities and are often licensed exclusively to private businesses
(Boettiger and Bennett 2006). Today “patent thickets” entwine some of the key technologies
and materials, hindering their application in public-sector research on plant breeding. To
facilitate access of scientists in the public sector and small companies to publicly generated
innovations, the Public Intellectual Property Resource for Agriculture (PIPRA; see
http://www.pipra.org/) initiative encourages strategic management of legally protected
technology to facilitate access of all its members for research and humanitarian uses
(Atkinson et al. 2003). The Specialty Crops Regulatory Initiative aims to reduce the
high cost of regulation for such crops. Biotechnology for an Open Society (BIOS;
http://www.bios.net/) seeks to generate open-source development of suites of research
tools for biotechnology innovation, unhindered by any patent thickets (Nature 2004).

Perspec tive
Since the 1980s, intellectual property protection for crop breeding innovations in the
United States has expanded, and its enforcement has been strengthened. This has
encouraged the development, introduction, and rapid adoption of highly successful
transgenic varieties of soybeans, cotton, corn, and canola. But the prospects for successful
development and diffusion of genetically engineered cultivars of small-acreage crops,
including some of major significance to California, are not clear. Challenges include
consumer opposition to genetically modified food, the high cost of regulatory compliance,
and difficulties in obtaining access to the relevant intellectual property rights.
Regulatory costs are being addressed in the Specialty Crops Regulatory Initiative, and
PIPRA and BIOS are addressing problems posed by intellectual property protection of
key technologies.
Intellectual property protection rewards innovation and encourages private-sector
plant breeding and genetic engineering that can enhance agricultural productivity.
However, critics point out that the allocation of rights lacks balance. It does not recognize
or reward the contribution of communities of farmers who have developed, over
long periods of time, the landraces that form the basis of the pedigrees of modern crop
varieties. Moreover, farmers who grow nontransgenic crops fear that they will bear the
cost of contamination of their crops by drifting transgenic pollen, and they are also
concerned about identity preservation of their products if transgenic varieties are
included in the market chain.
Strengthening intellectual property rights has undoubtedly been important in
stimulating the research and development that made genetically engineered varieties
of major crops available to farmers. But legal control of key technologies and materials
is one of several important factors, including regulatory costs and market acceptance,
that have hindered the development of other genetically engineered crops, in particular
small-acreage crops that are important to California.

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Sorry for the crappy post. A simple cut and paste job.

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thanks blue rhino thats another reason 2 vote no!!!!!!!! if it passes its going 2 benifit the rich growers who can afford land and 2 set up major grows all the mom and pop growers will be put out of business just like when walmart came 2 town!!!!!! if you grow small 2 help with your bills you will be pur out of business by the big growers!!! any1 who grows small for any kind of profit will be put out of business VOTE NO!!!!!!!
 
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what about us that arent medical? do 400 thousand medical patients deserve the right but the rest of us dont?
 
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