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Have you changed the mothers nutrient ratios? P is accumulated so it’s especially important to have a fair amount of P for mother plants since when cuttings are taken they go theough a period of low ability for uptake.Yup all in that tent with its own res
Lights were not on yet when I left for work so I’ll provide an update tonight.
I have pics and records from when I moved the clones over but it all went like normal.
I'm really leaning towards this as a possible solution. I still feel like it is a deficiency, but adding more nutes (including P) did not seem to help. Could be a lockout or something wrong with the ratios in the res, so starting over seemed prudent. Tonight they will have been running for a day with less than 1/2 the nutes and lower light levels, so hopefully the condition tonight will give us another clue.Have you changed the mothers nutrient ratios? P is accumulated so it’s especially important to have a fair amount of P for mother plants since when cuttings are taken they go theough a period of low ability for uptake.
Its also more important in veg than many realize as it is accumulated over time
Oh these are flipped to flower? And at a very early age? That would make sense to me as unless the mother is on a high P feed or there is enough time after rooting for the olants to accumulate adequate P for the high demand in early flower id expect to see this. Only there isnt a really quick fix to a P deficiency and its best dealt with before flip to flower as this is when demand for P spikes.I'm really leaning towards this as a possible solution. I still feel like it is a deficiency, but adding more nutes (including P) did not seem to help. Could be a lockout or something wrong with the ratios in the res, so starting over seemed prudent. Tonight they will have been running for a day with less than 1/2 the nutes and lower light levels, so hopefully the condition tonight will give us another clue.
One other point - I have not been sterilizing between runs. The biologics are working swimmingly as seen by the roots, so I let it ride. It is possible this practice has resulted in an untreated pathogen, I just don't know what that would be other than some fungus as mentioned above.
I did add enzymes and great white myco at the time I flipped to flower, but I'm having a hard time believing that has anything to do with it. Roots and res look great, no smells, etc.
Thanks again for the feedback.
Like i say there is not really a quick fix to a P deficiency i can think of other than possibly a foliar which i am unsure of. Thats why you may be seeing not much is helping as is my experience with that also.I'm really leaning towards this as a possible solution. I still feel like it is a deficiency, but adding more nutes (including P) did not seem to help. Could be a lockout or something wrong with the ratios in the res, so starting over seemed prudent. Tonight they will have been running for a day with less than 1/2 the nutes and lower light levels, so hopefully the condition tonight will give us another clue.
One other point - I have not been sterilizing between runs. The biologics are working swimmingly as seen by the roots, so I let it ride. It is possible this practice has resulted in an untreated pathogen, I just don't know what that would be other than some fungus as mentioned above.
I did add enzymes and great white myco at the time I flipped to flower, but I'm having a hard time believing that has anything to do with it. Roots and res look great, no smells, etc.
Thanks again for the feedback.
Sorry for the 50 million replies @Moe.Red
This is what I useThe enzymes were a great idea but finding one that is specifically or partially specific to the processing of P for availability is in your case beneficial. Its been a while since ive looked at the market for this. There are also specific bacteria that produce enzymes specifically to break P down. I believe the makers of terp tea and raw are a couple of companies that sell these. Not necessarily needed butbin some cases beneficial depending in your nutrient sources and ratios
Possibly to much oxidizing of the roots. I have seen root stress cause similar issuesThis is what I use
I mix up a 5 gal bucket with this and myco and dip the roots in it up to the top of the net pot getting all the hydroton and roots covered. You can visibly see a difference - the roots come out a milky white very quickly. Then I dump the remainder of the bucket in the res.
The deficiency is the easy part, the root cause not so much and is different in almost every case. Add to that it can be a combination of things and yeah sometimes you never truly know. But the discussion makes us mindful of the factors and considerations we should pay attention to in the future. If its not progressing to new leaves then its likely fixed but pay attention to the next time you dip and how they respond, the environmental factors from the previous time period, any contributing factors or events that may have occurred prior to seeing the symptoms.So many potential issues pointed out, and everyone sees something different.
I sure wish there were a better way to diagnose stuff like this.
Can't wait to get home and see how they look today.
Have no fear all this info we enter into computers will be easier to access in the future.I sure wish there were a better way to diagnose stuff like this.
Perhaps the best advice so far - easy to get into overcorrecting mode and really screw yourself. Ask me how I know...And remember bot to get caught chasing ghosts if it is not progressing beyond what you have observed as that can lead to more issues
The same way i do lolPerhaps the best advice so far - easy to get into overcorrecting mode and really screw yourself. As me how I know...
Nice… just curious if you have implimented our discussion stuff in this grow or not yet?So, good news. The plants are unchanged except they are 3 inches taller. Man they grow fast in this system.
Really, I think this was the root of my problem. Sometimes when you push a plant this hard, any laziness or lack of automation in your husbandry can cause a flair up in a weak spot in your grow. After filtering thru all the comments (love you growmies) I think it comes down to P. And the fact that I had missed a normally scheduled water change. I think my ratios were out of whack for the stage in the plant's life and the fast growth. I need to feed these clones differently going forward to prep them for the shock.
I added 1/2 strength nutes back in at the appropriate ratio. Raised the lights 3" because I want this soundly behind me before I SCROG. They will come back down when I make the canopy, I'll give it a couple more days. I also kept them turned down from last night just to give them a minute to catch their breath.
I know these damaged leaves will not come back so they need to be taken off, but gonna use them as the canary in the coal mine tonight and verify the problem is resolved.
Man, I just gotta say this forum is pretty freaking cool. Look at the ideas in this thread. If you read this thru and didn't learn anything about growing, you are some kinda expert!
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