Cannabis Plant Drooping & Can't Figure Out What is Wrong

[Week4Bytch]

Yeah there are things that take care of themselves that I don't have to do. But I'm barely halfway there. This whole "living soil" thing, enzymes, bacteria, this mulvic and slavic acid stuff........I've never even used fish emulsion or seaweed. All of these things are on my agenda........rabbit poop. Ú

Neptunes Harvest fish and seaweed gets me out of trouble when I need help asap, the dry proprietary amendments we use should have some sort of fish/fish bone meal in them. (Craft Blend & Gaia Green for example) Sea Green by Primordial Solutions is supposed to be the cat's meow (fish and kelp extract) for the ladies, stuff is super concentrated, just foliar sprayed my ladies with the product for a spin.

 

[Harpua88]

Neptunes Harvest fish and seaweed gets me out of trouble when I need help asap, the dry proprietary amendments we use should have some sort of fish/fish bone meal in them. (Craft Blend & Gaia Green for example) Sea Green by Primordial Solutions is supposed to be the cat's meow (fish and kelp extract) for the ladies, stuff is super concentrated, just foliar sprayed my ladies with the product for a spin.

Cool, thank you. I copied that. I'd like to try bat guano too......not me, for the plants.... ;)

 

[Crabgrassfarms]

Organic vs Synthetic = different watering habits. We're gonna confuse the OP..

You are right, I am doing the living soil/ organic method. I am not sure that the watering would be different. What growing medium do those who use synthetics grow in? I pretty much thought the alternative to dirt was hydro. I haven't ever thought about using anything but dirt.

 

[Crabgrassfarms]

Yeah there are things that take care of themselves that I don't have to do. But I'm barely halfway there. This whole "living soil" thing, enzymes, bacteria, this mulvic and slavic acid stuff........I've never even used fish emulsion or seaweed. All of these things are on my agenda........rabbit poop. Someone here does rabbit poop. I'll do rabbit poop.

I think it is hard to burn the plants with nutes if you add more organic stuff. I filled the bottom 1/3 of my bags with a mix of super concentrated organic stuff with FFOF, then finished with a much lighter mix of same. I grew the photos for 13 weeks before the chop, they really didn't additional amendments. These girls still grew into my lights. I did the flip when they reached 40% of height I expected them to grow.
I think I am going to stick with this method.

 

[BillyBanchan]

Yeah there are things that take care of themselves that I don't have to do. But I'm barely halfway there. This whole "living soil" thing, enzymes, bacteria, this mulvic and slavic acid stuff........I've never even used fish emulsion or seaweed. All of these things are on my agenda........rabbit poop. Someone here does rabbit poop. I'll do rabbit poop.

Mmmm I can still smell the fish emulsion from the 90's...

 

[Week4Bytch]

You are right, I am doing the living soil/ organic method. I am not sure that the watering would be different. What growing medium do those who use synthetics grow in? I pretty much thought the alternative to dirt was hydro. I haven't ever thought about using anything but dirt.

Synthetic mostly use an inert media like coco, it drains well and doesn't change the pH or break down as much (if at all) like peat moss does. Easier to grow in Coco if your using synthetics.

 

[Week4Bytch]

I think it is hard to burn the plants with nutes if you add more organic stuff. I filled the bottom 1/3 of my bags with a mix of super concentrated organic stuff with FFOF, then finished with a much lighter mix of same. I grew the photos for 13 weeks before the chop, they really didn't additional amendments. These girls still grew into my lights. I did the flip when they reached 40% of height I expected them to grow.
I think I am going to stick with this method.

Fox Farm Ocean Forest is a hot soil to begin with, don't need much with a fresh batch of soil, maybe when you reuse it is a good time to dress it with the organic amendments like a super soil. unless your no till which requires just top dressing and done.

 

[ShadowKhan]

Hey guys thank you so much for all the information:) I've been keeping an eye on it as you guys post. I made a list of what you guys have been talking about and I will try and summarize what we did.

Unfortunately at the time of making this post we have no way of measuring the runoff for how much salt is in it. That being said, our testing kit measured the soil at a pH level of roughly 7.0. With that being said we pH'ed our water to 5.9 WITHOUT nutes, and watered her until runoff. It came to about 1.8 liters of water until the pot finally drained. With the temps there is nothing we can really do about the high temperatures until we get another fan, so for now we are going to keep the tent flaps open during the "day" cycle to hopefully bring that temp down a bit. Also, we measured from the top of the plant to the light, and it came to about 24''. With that being said, we used the app you guys so graciously recommended (thank you so much :) ) from the top of the plant with the lights at 80% it came to roughly 600-700 PPFD. If I need to make any adjustments on these numbers do definitely let me know. Again, thank you so much for all your help guys.

 

[Week4Bytch]

Hey guys thank you so much for all the information:) I've been keeping an eye on it as you guys post. I made a list of what you guys have been talking about and I will try and summarize what we did.

Unfortunately at the time of making this post we have no way of measuring the runoff for how much salt is in it. That being said, our testing kit measured the soil at a pH level of roughly 7.0. With that being said we pH'ed our water to 5.9 WITHOUT nutes, and watered her until runoff. It came to about 1.8 liters of water until the pot finally drained. With the temps there is nothing we can really do about the high temperatures until we get another fan, so for now we are going to keep the tent flaps open during the "day" cycle to hopefully bring that temp down a bit. Also, we measured from the top of the plant to the light, and it came to about 24''. With that being said, we used the app you guys so graciously recommended (thank you so much :) ) from the top of the plant with the lights at 80% it came to roughly 600-700 PPFD. If I need to make any adjustments on these numbers do definitely let me know. Again, thank you so much for all your help guys.

Sounds good, your on the right track.

 

[Bdubs]

Simply adding CO2 will allow you to run those 80 temps fine without propping the tent open. Just keep VPD in range with more humidity. As close to 1.0. Which at 80-85 degrees, you would put humidity at 55-60 for best flower VPD. Higher temps will usually give you fluffy and less dense profile final results is all. But the CO2 helps with higher temps. All CO2 does is increases plant growth, nothing else. But it’s beneficial if you plan to stay at those temps. Just be mindful of stomata and your VPD. 60 humidity for 80-85 temps on the regular to stay nearer to 1.0 VPD. At .48 and 2.0 VPD stomata closes. (VPD is just a better reading of relative humidity or available moisture that the air can hold). Stomata is needed to process everything so don’t ignore your relevance. You can run a bunch of different temps, just be mindful of humidity and VPD, for normal growth rate.

 

[Week4Bytch]

Simply adding CO2 will allow you to run those 80 temps fine without propping the tent open. Just keep VPD in range with more humidity. As close to 1.0. Which at 80-85 degrees, you would put humidity at 55-60 for best flower VPD. Higher temps will usually give you fluffy and less dense profile final results is all. But the CO2 helps with higher temps. All CO2 does is increases plant growth, nothing else. But it’s beneficial if you plan to stay at those temps. Just be mindful of stomata and your VPD. 60 humidity for 80-85 temps on the regular to stay nearer to 1.0 VPD. At .48 and 2.0 VPD stomata closes. (VPD is just a better reading of relative humidity or available moisture that the air can hold). Stomata is needed to process everything so don’t ignore your relevance. You can run a bunch of different temps, just be mindful of humidity and VPD, for normal growth rate.

Pulse recommends veg at 1.2 and in bloom 1.5, really tough to handle high temps in a tent. I'm lucky to have mine in the coolest room of the house. Opening the flaps just robs that side of the tent of PPFD (light). If you can get a controller to automatically adjust exhaust fan speeds 24/7 that would make life so much easier.

 

[Bdubs]

When using CO2 VPD optimal ranges change and use different charts. It’s not 100% what to follow, VPD. Unless you are focused on that. Optimal temp and humidity is fine. But, working with high temps you want all the help you can get. Besides, high temps are not good for soil temps and overall oxygen for the roots. 60 humidity will keep you in zone the entire grow with those temps.

Hydro water can remain cool while outside air is staggeringly hot and the plant won’t flinch with CO2 guidance on the outside. It’s all a balancing act really.

 

[Gmix]

Cool, thank you. I copied that. I'd like to try bat guano too......not me, for the plants.... ;)

Is great stuff once you get used to its slow release. I always thought plants grown in it has more flavour however was spectical that i might be bias

However funnily enough i had a debate with one of the hydro guys who knew quite a bit albeit still carried some bias towards guano being a bottled nute seller, he did say for some reason I didn’t get into that you did get more turpentines at the end witch surprised me being not a fan of it, now if that’s rubbish I have no idea all I know is I can tell the difference between buds that have been fed bottled nutes and guano big time

Obviously I’m bias as I find plants grown in it taste nice and it’s very easy to use,being disabled I find it’s very useful as I don’t need to feed so often

 

[Harpua88]

Is great stuff once you get used to its slow release. I always thought plants grown in it has more flavour however was spectical that i might be bias

However funnily enough i had a debate with one of the hydro guys who knew quite a bit albeit still carried some bias towards guano being a bottled nute seller, he did say for some reason I didn’t get into that you did get more turpentines at the end witch surprised me being not a fan of it, now if that’s rubbish I have no idea all I know is I can tell the difference between buds that have been fed bottled nutes and guano big time

Obviously I’m bias as I find plants grown in it taste nice and it’s very easy to use,being disabled I find it’s very useful as I don’t need to feed so often

I wonder if anything will ever beat the best things nature has to offer........including the sun.

We can get darn close indoors now. LEDs may have to get a littoe better spectrum-wise, of course with the ability to dial in any spectrum at any time. There may be other areas of the spectrum, other rays........I like the idea of slow-release, nature doesn't slam plants with nutrients all at once. The concept of adding/layering, building a soil over time, adding different things over the course of the grow...

You could take things to the next level......what kind of bat(s)? With what kind of diets? ;).

Isn't bat guano high in nitrogen? What wouod be the most powerful, natural, slow-release amendments we can add early to mid-flowering that would deliver the P-K...?

 

[Week4Bytch]

When using CO2 VPD optimal ranges change and use different charts. It’s not 100% what to follow, VPD. Unless you are focused on that. Optimal temp and humidity is fine. But, working with high temps you want all the help you can get. Besides, high temps are not good for soil temps and overall oxygen for the roots. 60 humidity will keep you in zone the entire grow with those temps.

Hydro water can remain cool while outside air is staggeringly hot and the plant won’t flinch with CO2 guidance on the outside. It’s all a balancing act really.

High temps are drag for sure, you go on another server and they swear by temps in the mid 80's... go figure. He should try one of them Exhale bags (shit I'm thinking of grabbing one).

 

[Harpua88]

High temps are drag for sure, you go on another server and they swear by temps in the mid 80's... go figure. He should try one of them Exhale bags (shit I'm thinking of grabbing one).

Yeah I'd much rather hit VPD with temps in the upper 60s. I know I keep temps lower than most but I like it that way. I also like humidity to be a little below range. Mid 80s? Uck...

 

[Week4Bytch]

Is great stuff once you get used to its slow release. I always thought plants grown in it has more flavour however was spectical that i might be bias

However funnily enough i had a debate with one of the hydro guys who knew quite a bit albeit still carried some bias towards guano being a bottled nute seller, he did say for some reason I didn’t get into that you did get more turpentines at the end witch surprised me being not a fan of it, now if that’s rubbish I have no idea all I know is I can tell the difference between buds that have been fed bottled nutes and guano big time

Obviously I’m bias as I find plants grown in it taste nice and it’s very easy to use,being disabled I find it’s very useful as I don’t need to feed so often

Bottled nutrients are limited as far as terpene profiles go because they are manufactured in a lab.. And to expand on what we're giving , (natures carbon waste that gets broken down by microbes to a usable nutrient..) we can plant companion plants next to our ladies to enhance flavors from the root zone.. lavender, strawberries, are a few that I can think of top of my head, think I tried chuckweed at one time. Cover crops (thyme, peppermint), add to the terpene profiles as well.

 

[Week4Bytch]

Yeah I'd much rather hit VPD with temps in the upper 60s. I know I keep temps lower than most but I like it that way. I also like humidity to be a little below range. Mid 80s? Uck...

Same..I'd rather have mid 70's.. (especially during flower) and it's freakn scary to have humidity above 45% during flower too...

 

[Week4Bytch]

Hey guys, I had a blast here, I got to get back to my regular scheduled program.. I just love to talk cannabis and you guys were gracious enough to let me talk here, I'll see' ya's out there and hoping the OP has the phatest buds ever.

 

[Gmix]

Bottled nutrients are limited as far as terpene profiles go because they are manufactured in a lab.. And to expand on what we're giving , (natures carbon waste that gets broken down by microbes to a usable nutrient..) we can plant companion plants next to our ladies to enhance flavors from the root zone.. lavender, strawberries, are a few that I can think of top of my head, think I tried chuckweed at one time. Cover crops (thyme, peppermint), add to the terpene profiles as well.

Thanks for the information