Captain's Log: Dispatches from Planet Milson

Milson · Feb 21, 2021

Moe.Red said:
So it sounds as if de-criminalization and regulation over de-criminalization and de-regulation would be your choice. Basically the Holland approach? If not, can you point to another on the world stage to emulate?

I can't. It's not something I have studied closely. And I am for only very loose regulation because I think a true wild west leads to abuses that sacrifice public perception. To be clear, much less than legal states have now.

Just not nothing, because again the power imbalance there leaves the consumer with damages and no recourse, so you get anger and on and on. With so many players there becomes no label for that anger (all pot growers become the same because who can tell the difference) and so you get sentiment against pot.

Moe.Red · Feb 21, 2021

Milson said:
I can't. It's not something I have studied closely. And I am for only very loose regulation because I think a true wild west leads to abuses that sacrifice public perception. To be clear, much less than legal states have now.

Just not nothing, because again the power imbalance there leaves the consumer with damages and no recourse, so you get anger and on and on. With so many players there becomes no label for that anger (all pot growers become the same because who can tell the difference) and so you get sentiment against pot.

It's interesting how perception is something that is a recurring theme with you. Your own perception of the world is something you have thought deeply about.

How many senses do you think the average human has? Can you generate enough mental energy to use the mind to feel? Can you condition yourself with your thinking to feel with your brain? Or does that only happen when high?

Milson · Feb 21, 2021

Honestly i think cannabis and its effects on humans are not going to be tamed by a clockwork universe model, but i really want to see someone try.

And as they fail i want people to see the alternative.

And recognize how much of the rest of their lives are like that. And how much they have rounded off the nuance of their lives on what i as a detroit boy think of as the Chevy-Buick-Cadillac escalator.

People love talking about that escalator up the food chain like escalators don't just go back around to show that, to all the numpties with any perspective, it's all the same thing.

Like i had friends today arguing the classiness of target vs walmart. GTFO.

The people who want you to argue that are the same people who want to separate pot into sativa-hybrid-indica plus flavor. Because it's neat. They can productize that.

Like puppy mill dogs without the abuse of an innocent, conscious creature. By which I mean that's not the way to get the best dog/best plant for an individual (for the record I have a rescued puppy mill dog... But i don't think many people like puppy mills).

Milson · Feb 21, 2021

Moe.Red said:
It's interesting how perception is something that is a recurring theme with you. Your own perception of the world is something you have thought deeply about.

How many senses do you think the average human has? Can you generate enough mental energy to use the mind to feel? Can you condition yourself with your thinking to feel with your brain? Or does that only happen when high?

I think our senses inform our consciousness, which has evolved to interface with the world in this way. "This way" is an organization of flows. A flip in the sign of the flow is what I consider alpha energy (an edge) and the changes in intensity i consider omega energy. A flame (where the edges are the alpha analog) is a good metaphor for how i think about it.

I believe a person can calm their minds enough to feel energy in their body. I think of this as nervous energy, but i do find that they move up and down the center of my body and gathers at the chakras like the people who also tried just sitting like four thousand years ago thought.... No i do not need to be high to feel this. I find i shiver and yawn as the tension dissipates high and low as appropriate.

As regards senses....idk, we put edges on things but I'm yet to find a real one beyond the flip of the derivative's sign....the rest just kind of float away up close......

I think that for a long time we have been in a period where the alpha energy (edge definition) has dominated human progress. And i think we are on the way to the emergence of densities overtaking edges as the primary way forward. Think wifi and machine learning over wires and swiss clocks.

So, for a clever answer, people have one sense, and that is the sensing of densities (since flows are what they become at the neuronal level right....) But our embodied experience? Five we can communicate about evenly with linguistic references to shared spatial experiences....but man idk about the non-shared-spatial-experience....that's where art/spirituality (at the density of spirit i.e. liquid i.e. the edgeless.....) comes in.

Btw: can you feel with your mind? Idk, but i think you can feel your mind. Put your hand on your desk and stare and the nail on your pointer finger as steadily as possible. Feel that buzz of your attention?

The word attend as in "attention" comes from "a+tendere" in latin (in spanish that would be related to tener, yes) and it essentially means to reach out and grasp.

Sooooo idk what to call that (a sense?), but everyone feels it like a static hum in the background of their every instant imo.

(Yeah this is monkey mind etc...i find the mind waves described by shunryu suzuki in zen mind, beginner's mind to be more resonant).

Moe.Red · Feb 21, 2021

I swear to god I could listen to you for hours.

Where did you come to find this... this... I don't want to label it. Way of thinking I guess?

Milson · Feb 21, 2021

Moe.Red said:
I swear to god I could listen to you for hours.

Where did you come to find this... this... I don't want to label it. Way of thinking I guess?

Honestly, i had a breakdown in college and emerged from it swearing that I would never go down the suicidal ideation path again because I could just change the way I was living instead if things became intolerable. Fell out with my sincerely held faith, which was very traumatic for me, and went looking for alternatives. Found poetry. Found philosophy. And i have just been digging around from there. Lately, this hobby has rekindled my childhood interest in science.

A lot of people find me depressing tbh.

MIMedGrower · Feb 21, 2021

Milson said:
Honestly, i had a breakdown in college and emerged from it swearing that I would never go down the suicidal ideation path again because I could just change the way I was living instead if things became intolerable. Fell out with my sincerely held faith, which was very traumatic for me, and went looking for alternatives. Found poetry. Found philosophy. And i have just been digging around from there. Lately, this hobby has rekindled my childhood interest in science.

A lot of people find me depressing tbh.

have you read Phillip K Dick ‘s book VALIS?

Moe.Red · Feb 21, 2021

Milson said:
Honestly, i had a breakdown in college and emerged from it swearing that I would never go down the suicidal ideation path again because I could just change the way I was living instead if things became intolerable. Fell out with my sincerely held faith, which was very traumatic for me, and went looking for alternatives. Found poetry. Found philosophy. And i have just been digging around from there. Lately, this hobby has rekindled my childhood interest in science.

A lot of people find me depressing tbh.

I suppose that a person who does not inspect their own life may not want to hear what you have to say. Forces them into an uncomfortable cognitive dissonance.

I assume by faith you mean some sort of organized religion? Do you find that it is more often people indoctrinated with dogma are the ones who find you depressing?

Milson · Feb 21, 2021

MIMedGrower said:
have you read Phillip K Dick ‘s book VALIS?

No...isn't that the alternative history book? I have read Ubik and loved it.

Milson · Feb 21, 2021

Moe.Red said:
Do you find that it is more often people indoctrinated with dogma are the ones who find you depressing?

I think we all have dogmas....i think people find me depressing when they think i am in the mud but then i drag them in with me. I can be a hard person to get a handle on sometimes and a lot of people like having a handle on others shortly after meeting them.

MIMedGrower · Feb 21, 2021

Milson said:
No...isn't that the alternative history book? I have read Ubik and loved it.

60’s science fiction/ speculative fantasy.

Also wrote blade runner (i dream of electric sheep) , minority report, total recall etc.

VALIS is other level.

MIMedGrower · Feb 21, 2021

Milson said:
I think we all have dogmas....i think people find me depressing when they think i am in the mud but then i drag them in with me. I can be a hard person to get a handle on sometimes and a lot of people like having a handle on others shortly after meeting them.

your mud is like a confusing but warm blanket to me.

Milson · Feb 21, 2021

MIMedGrower said:
60’s science fiction/ speculative fantasy.

Also wrote blade runner (i dream of electric sheep) , minority report, total recall etc.

VALIS is other level.

Yeah I am familiar with him....love the stuff I have read....i will check out valis....soon actually, my wife is out of town so it's milson staycation time.

In that same vein, have you read Lem? The Futurological Congress is a trip and a half....and solaris is

Milson · Feb 21, 2021

Btw, the most persistent dogma is the sense of a self imo.

Milson · Feb 21, 2021

MIMedGrower said:
your mud is like a confusing but warm blanket to me.

Lol that's an awesome simile

Moe.Red · Feb 21, 2021

Milson said:
Btw, the most persistent dogma is the sense of a self imo.

OK, you're gonna need to unravel that one a bit for me so I can have some warm mud too!

Milson · Feb 21, 2021

Moe.Red said:
OK, you're gonna need to unravel that one a bit for me so I can have some warm mud too!

I mean, what is it? The self isn't the body even though we point to it in this realm and try to use the language that emerges from our embodied experience to communicate about it, right?

We have this implicit fishhook thing when talking about the self but we are pointing at.....? Like take it out of the spatial realm even. Me vs You? There's still this weird privileging thing going on with ownership....

Melt away that fishhook and melt into the world. Lose the hook.

Because the problem if you want to get to a dogma free path is pointing at all.

Imo.

MIMedGrower · Feb 21, 2021

Milson said:
Yeah I am familiar with him....love the stuff I have read....i will check out valis....soon actually, my wife is out of town so it's milson staycation time.

In that same vein, have you read Lem? The Futurological Congress is a trip and a half....and solaris is

no but very surprised i missed him.

boatbum850 · Feb 21, 2021

You had me @ # 4 .

Milson · Feb 21, 2021

boatbum850 said:
You had me @ # 4 .

For real. This should be basic.

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