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I recently treated with Eagle 20 and the PM came back up on The White. Fungi can and do develop resistance to single-site mode products. In fact, I started a thread on it. That means that 100% treatability is not the truth, not factual.
And that seques neatly into what another friend was discussing with me about how pot growers really don't like to follow rules and don't know how, don't understand the product they're working with when using stuff like Eagle 20.
I still say that if you can't source good quality clones, add that to the business model.
We, collectively, are creating our very own morass throwing all this shit at our plants, and many barely bother to read the label enough to know dosing.
I still say that if you can't source quality clones, add that to the business model.
if you use eagle 20 and it comes back you need to clean your room.
It is indeed, but I'm going to ask you a very pointed question as you bandy about Eagle 20 as the be-all, end-all to powdery mildew.Actually it is 100% treatable.
Before you posted this did you do any research on my treatment methods and approach? I'll ask you again, did you or have you read the label on your container of Eagle 20?But if you do not remove the fungi from the environment when you add a systemic....then it of course will come back. If you can't clean a room/grow, then spraying Eagle20 will only keep away PM until its out of the plants system (E20) then its totally capable of contracting it again. Hence- completely cleaning your grow and using a systemic. This has nothing to do with single product application, it has all to do with a complete treatment- not a spot treatment. To be able to beat it down in a perpetual room I had to use a Fungaflor bomb in combination. Now we have Actinovate to use, that many homies have been using with great success. But yes its beatable. Quaratine and knock it back.
To be sure, when the plants were indoors I was treating everything, all surfaces, not just the plants....Also, I did happen to keep that in mind as I treated every surface I could get to with Eagle 20 (not bleach).
It is indeed, but I'm going to ask you a very pointed question as you bandy about Eagle 20 as the be-all, end-all to powdery mildew.
To be sure, when the plants were indoors I was treating everything, all surfaces, not just the plants. One can, obviously, only do so much when there are things like exposed wood in that environment. So, telling me I have a dirty room (because that's what you and thump are hinting at) could be a possibility but I have NEVER seen another grow room/area as clean as mine. Also, I did happen to keep that in mind as I treated every surface I could get to with Eagle 20 (not bleach).
(Sorry to those I've visited, it's the truth, clean your room!)
In my personal opinion, since this particular mother cut of The White is one I've had for years and it came with PM that I treated when it came in and never showed it again, is that I may be dealing with a strain of powdery mildew that has become resistant to Eagle 20.
And the more we have assholes who just insist that the "new" product is the end-all, be-all and the only answer, the first answer to disease control and suppression, the more we're gonna have resistant pests and disease. Spider mites resistant to NPS wasn't good enough for us, eh?
Have you found something that shows that bleach is a 100% reliable antiseptic? Because I haven't. I hit every surface I thought the fungus could have touched. I used the product according to directions, at recommended rates, not some rate I pulled out of my rear end, and in the recommended manner. I've never used it prior to this round of Tx, so I'm not sure how I could have managed to create a superbug so quickly, but if you think that's a likelihood then let me ask you this--how is it all the others who use it so religiously haven't?
True antiseptic means using those types of products. Physan would be a start, but I can't say it's appropriate for all surfaces, nor can I state unequivocally it kills everything 100%. I know bleach does not, though, and I often wonder why it's recommended as a means by which to sanitize/sterilize an area.
Maybe the PM is always present. I never had an issue then the other day see a bunch of white powder on a leaf of a plant in the cloner. I got the cloner out of the room but now I have to wait and see if it shows up on the mothers and other veg plants that were around it, if it does it probably goes on to the flower room. It must of came in on my shoes or clothes, or maybe its just there waiting for a place to grow.
Anybody try the product from theothertomato.com? They claim is can kill and prevent mold and mildew. Bacillus, lactobacillus, saccharomyces, enterococcus, fulvic, aminos, molasses, trace elements and b vitamens, all in one. Maybe similar to actinovate.
TG, I honestly don't think you have an accurate picture of the situation I personally have been dealing with. You don't know the growing situation, you don't know my physical location and its proximity to heavy agriculture, I'm willing to bet you didn't even read the link I provided to the thread I started on resistance in fungi to single-site mode products like Eagle 20.
I'm not saying that "someone gave me resistant PM," either. I'm saying I may be dealing with that, though I personally haven't finished chewing on it. I find it interesting that the ONLY cut to come back with it is The White, but again, that's me, chewing. This comes after months of waging failing battle after failing battle with the PM vectored by root aphids. Yes, it took me a while to accept that what I was seeing may be root aphids, and no, I didn't fully appreciate what that might all encompass.
It is a scientifically valid statement to say that powdery mildew can become resistant to certain types of fungicides. Period. You can stomp, you can holler, you can insist til you're blue in the face, it won't change the valid scientific facts.
The first thing you did was jump in to say that I must have done something wrong, i.e. tear me down. You like to go around saying that you call yourself true grit because you speak the truth, but you won't even qualify that to the degree of admitting that it's YOUR truth, you just immediately tell people what they're saying is bullshit, which equates to shutting them down. Certainly doesn't leave open debate, does it?
I have at least a small clue of how to handle diseases and treatment. Having worked at a (very good) public aquarium, including with the staff vet, having raised quite a lot of my own animals since childhood that required our own vetting gave me some really good practice at things like reading the label, completely.
The other products are products I personally haven't researched in any way, shape or form, let alone used. So, why would I even attempt to speak on them? Do you even have a point in bringing them up?
Yes, PM is everywhere. And NO absolutely DO NOT WAIT to see if it spreads, taking care of diseases, pests, etc breaks down to preventative maintenance. Now that you have seen it on a plant- get a systemic such as Eagle20 and spray your veg plants/moms and prevent any spreading to further runs/healthy plants. Jump on it.
And yep sounds like actinovate- bacteria etc that deal with the issue.
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