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Curious what this is about. Personally I am not sold on the 100% organic approach and don't have a problem with chemicals/pesticides/etc. Not sure where I saw it, but some quote to the effect that MJ growers were like fundamentalists religious folks in refusing to believe modern science is better then 2000 year old methods. I don't knock people going fully organic, but I think the hardcore refusal to look at what the Ag industry has done and is using is self defeating.Wow,......just wow.
Until you start really examining what the current conventional agricultural model has done and is doing to us, the environment, animals, the planet, etc. It is not a model to entirely be emulated, especially with regard to the chemical mindset/paradigm. You've got some reading to do.Curious what this is about. Personally I am not sold on the 100% organic approach and don't have a problem with chemicals/pesticides/etc. Not sure where I saw it, but some quote to the effect that MJ growers were like fundamentalists religious folks in refusing to believe modern science is better then 2000 year old methods. I don't knock people going fully organic, but I think the hardcore refusal to look at what the Ag industry has done and is using is self defeating.
All you have to do is look at the MSDS and white papers, @xavier7995
You've got some reading to do.
me rambling
I use age old calibur 20 as a calcium supplement, and it is labeled as a preventive for sun damage and pest prevention.We are 100% organic on our farm.
32 30 t0 50 foot rows of all sorts of veggies.
We have never once needed any chemicals on our veggies or other plants..
IMO If everything is healthy to begin with one can do without hazardous chemicals.
Seems to me problems arise more so with plants that are weaker.
Grass hoppers last year did some damage only in certain areas. The problem was mitigated with netting...
mites are controlled with neem and a refined mineral oil foliar sprayed every 7 to 10 days or as needed.
Prevents a lot of issues.
Also use fresh raw diluted goats milk and or whey, foliar spray, great for plants and will never have mold issues....
There is a product called Plant Doctor made by Organocide.Honestly, doing some more reading around here, this sure is a touchy freaking topic for people. Just going to drop it, meh, greencure did work fine for me but I just had a very small bit of PM show up and got right on it. Really was just looking to evaluate some options for the future.
I thought I was, just at a better price. I did use it, and didn't see what I'd hoped to see (in terms of the pest control I was using it for). Needless to say I've gone with other sources now.Did you use the unlabeled plastic baggie of gnatrol? How did you even know it was the product advertised? That sounds so shady, why not just get it retail?
I get you there. I do the exact same thing. I even do it to myself. There is nothing wrong at all with using critical thinking skills, in this area or any other.Not at all trying to fight about the issue, just debate:) I get the arguments against the products, but I guess I am just a skeptic, and the science (to me at least), shows that used properly this product isn't harmful. Actually, I haven't even seen anyone ever advocate using the stuff as directed, I concur 14 days is way too soon, but 60+ seems very reasonable.
With specific regard to PM, you may want to do some of the same research I've done. For example, the first thing I did was look for any studies, papers or articles that discussed PM's relationship to human disease, disorders or sensitivities. I have, to this date, found nothing that discusses ill health results outside of allergies caused by ingesting or smoking any plant material that exhibits the fruiting bodies of PM. Not a thing.edit: I can't believe I am defending chemicals. I really do just like to debate stuff. I really just got into trying to figure out a good solution that would let me feel safe bringing outside clones into my area.
Curious what this is about. Personally I am not sold on the 100% organic approach and don't have a problem with chemicals/pesticides/etc. Not sure where I saw it, but some quote to the effect that MJ growers were like fundamentalists religious folks in refusing to believe modern science is better then 2000 year old methods. I don't knock people going fully organic, but I think the hardcore refusal to look at what the Ag industry has done and is using is self defeating.
I still haven't seen solid hard science that it is OK to use this product, however, I haven't really seen anything to the contrary either. Just groups of folks arguing back and forth, but not really getting anywhere.
edit: I would like to point out I have never used E20 or any of these toxic things. My PM showed up a couple of weeks into flower so it was all greencure all the way. I just dont think doing something like treating clones before bringing them into your garden is a terrible idea.
Well reality is for indoor growers you shouldn't need any PM control if your grow room environment is properly in check. If it is then plants can fight it off themselves. If you are relying on sprays/pesticides then usually your environment and in/out clean procedures aren't up to par.
I bust out the E20 a little while back to hit some clones that came with PM, thats about the only time I would recommend using it. And after putting a half dose in a spray bottle and realizing the spray bottle is ruined after coming in contact with it...makes ya think what that stuff does to your body/plants.
If you don't think the continual use of "safe" sprays is doing anything to commercial crops and their resistances, etc then you must not be paying attention to a lot of the ag issues currently.
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