Decarb Failed - Can I salvage anything from butter?

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Oldchucky

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From a quick Google it looks like both decarb by the same method, but the CBD takes about 20% longer! Give or take! 230° in the oven , Broken up some. Not a huge difference! Especially if you’re gonna make butter and bake brownies! Just two. Cents. Like 3035 minutes for THC 4045 minutes for CBD.
 
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How much you have to work with? Try a few different rounds. How do you plan on consuming after decarbed?
Not much, that`s the problem, ... I thought about doing different rounds but I am not sure how much I am gonna get dry weight, the plant is small (Auto) , just guessing 30 grams.
I was thinking of doing half RSO and the other half tincture as PianoStan described and see which option is better.

I actually made my first RSO a while back, some 10 years ago, don`t know what strain it was, got it from a friend. I did not know anything about decarbing procedure back than, I simply made RSO in a rice cooker without decarbing and the final result was so freaking potent!
 
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PianoStan

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Advice needed for decarbing high CBD strain (Remedy - around 20% CBD, less than 1% THC).
I do not have de-carb machine , If I am not mistaken there is a specific setting for CBD on your Ardent machine, what is the temperature/time setting?
Info on the internet is so confusing , some people saying it takes 230-240 F for 30-40 min, some even saying as much as 1.5 hours for CBD strains ....
Thanks
Yes, there are two settings on the larger Ardent machine. "A1 and A2." One of them is at least set for a longer time. Which probably goes hand in hand with @Oldchucky finding that CBD takes 20% longer to process. I can't find any information stating the exact temperature that either setting uses.

If you are going to use an oven/toaster oven or some other device, just be sure that it will heat to temp, and remain thermally stable throughout your cook. The pattern that has emerged from this thread, is that people get frustrated during the decarb, and give up on getting it right.

I've never decarbed a high CBD plant, so I'm not 100% sure exactly what it should look like. Just make sure that it stays in the 220-230 range, and the exact time has to be adjusted on your end. Things like age, moisture content, and other environmental factors can and WILL affect the time needed.
 
PianoStan

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Advice needed for decarbing high CBD strain (Remedy - around 20% CBD, less than 1% THC).
I do not have de-carb machine , If I am not mistaken there is a specific setting for CBD on your Ardent machine, what is the temperature/time setting?
Info on the internet is so confusing , some people saying it takes 230-240 F for 30-40 min, some even saying as much as 1.5 hours for CBD strains ....
Thanks
I decarbed some of the Northern Lights that I just grew. Here's what it looks like coming out of the Ardent machine:
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Hope that helps some.
 
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I decarbed some of the Northern Lights that I just grew. Here's what it looks like coming out of the Ardent machine:

Hope that helps some.
I have 2 plants Auto Northern Lights almost ready for harvesting.
Thanks!
 
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I decarbed some of the Northern Lights that I just grew. Here's what it looks like coming out of the Ardent machine:
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Hope that helps some.
Stan,

I just dried a small Northern Light plant and the flower went into a grove bag this weekend.

How long do I need to wait for any curing before I can decatb some and make a tincture for the wifey? She has been using the vaporizer but wants to get away from fumes in the lungs (old smoker that quit long ago).

BTW are you growing NL photo or Auto? I have been using OG Kush Auto and recently grew an OG Kush photo and the affects are oddly not the same??
 
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I have been using OG Kush Auto and recently grew an OG Kush photo and the affects are oddly not the same??
According to reading and growers here (my very first grow is still in veg) harvest time has a huge impact on the type of high for each plant. So if you harvested the plants at a different week in their growth cycle it stands to logic they would have different highs. I believe it is an earlier harvest brings a more racing high and later harvest brings more deep body high.
 
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How long do I need to wait for any curing before I can decatb some and make a tincture for the wifey?
I thought about it as well and found on some other forums people saying that curing is not necessary in case you are making tincture/oil. Maybe someone can confirm that here ......

BTW are you growing NL photo or Auto? I have been using OG Kush Auto and recently grew an OG Kush photo and the affects are oddly not the same??
This is my first time growing Auto`s so I cannot compare it with photo strains, but it was quite weird that it took 17 weeks for NL to show first amber trichomes and 19 weeks for Auto Remedy and Afghani Bullrider. That`s pretty much photo strain time frame ....
The other weird thing is that none of the plants/strains had any smell until harvesting.

Is your NL Auto? How long did it take from seed to harvesting?

NL is quite small ...
 
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I thought about it as well and found on some other forums people saying that curing is not necessary in case you are making tincture/oil. Maybe someone can confirm that here ......


This is my first time growing Auto`s so I cannot compare it with photo strains, but it was quite weird that it took 17 weeks for NL to show first amber trichomes and 19 weeks for Auto Remedy and Afghani Bullrider. That`s pretty much photo strain time frame ....
The other weird thing is that none of the plants/strains had any smell until harvesting.

Is your NL Auto? How long did it take from seed to harvesting?

NL is quite small ...
You don't need to cure flower for extraction but you do need to decarboxylate it activating the THC and/or CBD.
 
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You don't need to cure flower for extraction but you do need to decarboxylate it activating the THC and/or CBD.
Sure, I will decarb it, hopefully it`s dry this weekend so I can make some oil/tincture ....
 
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You gotta try one of my cookies. Ive changed the tune of all those that dismisd edibles with my super powered home mades! No butter. Straight decarbed flower into the cookie mix with a secret set of something to offset the flavor.
Hey, what is the secret set of something? Yeah, come clean 😝
 
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@PianoStan (aka Heisenburg) this a great post!

So got the small Ongrok infuser and ready to try cooking a tincture.

Picked up some EverClear 190 (price was a little over $20 for a liter). I have some Auto weed to try which runs around 15%. Amber bottles are the smaller ones with the dropper.
Side question: How can I measure the THC strength with some rrasonably priced meter?

Looking at the Ongrok instructions it lists the capacity as 150-600mL capacity, so I assume the smallest amount of alcohol I can run is 150mL (around 5.5oz) of alcohol. Do I have this right?

So working backwards for 5mg/mL strength:
150mL x 5mg/ml = 750mg
750mg/oz / 15% = 5000mg = 5gm W

So 5gm weed and 5.5oz Everclear into the machine for a 4 hour run.


For 10mg/mL strength;
150mL x 10mg/ml = 1500mg
1500mg/oz /15% = 10000gm = 10gm W

So 10gm weed and 5.5oz Everclear into the machine for a 4 hour run.

Please check my math.
If I want to make canna butter from the tincture. What do I do?

OK, back in the saddle.
Going to do the 5mg/mL target strength again.
Was going to double to 10mg but the Northern Light auto turned out to be a midget plant - seed was a bit weak and slow germination and seedling. Showed up in a stunted plant and and like 10.5gm yield. Got 3 more in the tent cookin and normal sized plants this go around.

Anyway decarbing in the oven using the ongrok oven safe stainless steel container.
Oven set to 240F and cooking for 35 minutes. Container should keep the smell down.
 
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Grower1974

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OK, back in the saddle.
Going to do the 5mg/mL target strength again.
Was going to double to 10mg but the Northern Light auto turned out to be a midget plant - seed was a bit weak and slow germination and seedling. Showed up in a stunted plant and and like 10.5gm yield. Got 3 more in the tent cookin and normal sized plants this go around.

Anyway decarbing in the oven using the ongrok oven safe stainless steel container.
Oven set to 240F and cooking for 35 minutes. Container should keep the smell down.
Oh it’s still going to reek. :)
 
GravitySlave

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You must have eaten some edibles made by people that had no idea what they were doing.
ALL weed needs to be de-carbed before it becomes psychoactive. The question is whether you de-carb it slowly in an oven of specialized machine at around 250 degrees, or whether you use the 1300 degree flame of your lighter to do it.

If you use your lighter, the accepted scientific standard is that joints/blunts lose 50% of the THC to destruction from the heat. While bowls/bongs lose 60% to heat. Then, depending on how big of a hit you take, how long you hold it, and how efficient your lungs actually are, another 40-60% of the THC you inhale is sent back into the atmosphere when you exhale. Of the THC that actually hits your blood stream, daily users can get 22-27% of that to be psychoactively available. While first time and casual users can get between 25-33%. What all of that complex math equates to is that for every 100mg THC that you set on fire, somewhere between 2.8-9mg actually ends up affecting your brain. (With casuals getting up to nearly 15mg)

Much like smoking crack, the onset of consuming THC through smoking is nearly instantaneous, with a mean time of metabolization being 4.5 hours. Whereas consuming THC through edibles is more akin to taking LSD with a 45minute to 1 hour onset, and a metaboliztion time of more than 8 hours.

On the other hand, for properly prepared edibles, there is no loss of THC to the heat or to the atmosphere. And while everyone is a unique biological entity, making exact dosages difficult to monitor, the absorption rate is at least 80%. Ultimately that means that edibles can deliver 17.6-21.6 mg per 100mg consumed for daily users, and casuals getting between 20-26.4 mg.

That's why edibles are driving up the number of hospital visits. People consume entire bags of edibles when they have no actual understanding of just how much more potent edible THC is. Many of those bags of edibles contain enough THC to get 8-10 people baked for an entire night out, but people eat them like they are potato chips.

I find that most long time stoners don't want to wait the time it takes for an edible to kick in, so they smoke while they wait. Which, of course, means that they are already high by the time the edible kicks in, and fail to notice it happening. Then, they get tired over the 4.5 or so hours it takes to metabolize the smoked THC, and sleep through most of the edible THC's life cycle.

Personally, I make tinctures. They are a happy medium. It takes 25-30 minutes before one can feel a sort of wave crashing over the brain, and it sticks with you for about 5-7 hours. It's completely possible to wake up exactly as stoned as I was when I fell asleep. And an ounce of weed made into a tincture can last a month or more. Where I was smoking a quarter pound per week when I consumed weed that way exclusively. Much, much more economical.

Not to mention that tinctures (alcohol based, because cannabutter, canna oil, and dab wax are ALSO types of tinctures) can be aged like wine, and kept forever, as long as you store them in amber glass, and keep them refrigerated. They get more potent over time.

And even though I am brand new to growing, I have been a stoner since 1982. And I have been an RN since 1994. No stranger to either THC, or the science behind it!
Would you mind sharing your method for infusing the tincture? I would like to try it out.
 
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Oh it’s still going to reek. :)
Not too bad with the cover on. Used the downstairs oven with the vent fan on. Smell when you open the oven door while decarbing. Wife with spidey senses couldn’t smell it upstairs, separate hvac systems helps.

But how does this look after 35 minutes to you? @Pianoatan would say it looks like shit, but I can tell you it smells like shit 😂

Stans decarb bud looks like the cooked bud after running it thru my vaporizer to me!

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