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Personally wouldn't use any calmag I had to use 5 to 10 ML per gallon.i use calimagic.4ML per gallon on full grown plants.with hydro u always start low and work up. Your plants tell u what u need.for your particular line I would say 5 ML per gal sounds about right.Oh man I just noticed something really strange. In Technaflora's "recipe for success" dosing chart it clearly says to use 1/2 tsp (2.5 ml) of MagiCal per gallon. But if you read the tiny print on the back of the MagiCal bottle, which I just did right now for the first time, the bottle says "Hydroponics: 1-2 tsp (5-10ml) per gallon". What the ........??
The amounts for all the other nutes (BC Boost, BC Grow, Sugar Daddy and Thrive Alive B-1 Red) all seems to match up, so maybe they just have a typo on the MagiCal which is screwing me all up?
It also says "Accelerated application: To overcome deficiencies, dissolve 10ml per gallon." Should I just add a bunch more??
lol,,, I will explain...Oh man I just noticed something really strange. In Technaflora's "recipe for success" dosing chart it clearly says to use 1/2 tsp (2.5 ml) of MagiCal per gallon. But if you read the tiny print on the back of the MagiCal bottle, which I just did right now for the first time, the bottle says "Hydroponics: 1-2 tsp (5-10ml) per gallon". What the ........??
The amounts for all the other nutes (BC Boost, BC Grow, Sugar Daddy and Thrive Alive B-1 Red) all seems to match up, so maybe they just have a typo on the MagiCal which is screwing me all up?
It also says "Accelerated application: To overcome deficiencies, dissolve 10ml per gallon." Should I just add a bunch more??
I agree... Simple is my philosophy.I stay away from companies that put dumbass pictures on the bottles with words like accelerate,big grow,big buds,monster,success,
Bla bla. you get the point.keep it simple.
lol,,, I will explain...
First off, very few nutes were designed as canna(MJ) nutes. Mj isnt the only thing you can grow hydroponically. Peppers, as well as many veg can be grown hydroponically. Most nutes are set up for big agriculture, as that is how they do the testing on it. They also give you charts that expect you to have a perfect co2 infused environment... Lastly they would like you to use it quickly, so you can buy more :) Its the way of business these days...
As for mixing nutes, I was always under the impression to add Si, then calimag, then your micros, then your macros, then supps...
But I have tried some things with my UC and I have first hand knowledge, that I can add Si, to a qt of ro, mix well, and add to my system to raise ph of a system that has been running 400 ppm already..
But as you see I mix each in their own qt mason jar then add... I don't care for them nutes because ive never used them.. We get used to what we know. Ive used GH, but now use botanicare.. I also don't get consumed with buying a lot of supplements.
Lastly....
Lets talk in theory.
Say we have a nutrient and it calls for 18 ml per gal, but our plants are young, or you or using a UC system then you have to run at a way lower ppm.
So say at 18 ml its 900 ppm, but we can only run at 450 ppm, so we cut it to 9 ml per gal.
And here is where you learn and understand..
At 18 ml it provides the plant with 100% of all micro and macro NPK's,
but at 9 ml it now drops out of range in some micro nutrients..
Guess which ones?
You got it, Calcium and potassium...
Which is why you need to supplement calimag when you drop the strength of your base nutes. You may need 2ml calimag
But as your base climbs from 9 back to 18 ml, you also drop the calimag slowly as it falls back into range...
I hope that clarifies some things for you...
Dont over do it.. Leaves that have sclerosis will never repair.Thanks ya that makes perfect sense. I will slowly increase cal/mag and see how she responds.
I'm just using this Technaflora stuff that came with the box. I did some searching around and people seem to have good things to say about it, but obviously there's a lot of "marketing" going on with the 10 different bottles and trendy names. I will certainly try something else next grow, or switch to cns17 if the plant doesn't start looking better real soon (I'll have nothing to lose).
FYI my night time low is now fixed at 68 degrees.
The reason I also remove them, is so I can tell if new ones appear.Yep I removed the really bad lower fan leaves that were 50-100% destroyed. With the current ones that look like the last pic, I'm not sure if it's better to remove them or just let the plant keep sucking nutrients out of them? I guess that shouldn't be necessary since I'm adding more MagiCal hmm
Cool looking bottles are like cool fishing lures.they catch fisherman not fish.I agree... Simple is my philosophy.
Now you are talking brother! With that we can do a lot!
Really its about money from here..
I have a controller to..
You got couple nice pieces right there.
So how much you want to spend on a light? and a system?
My system costs 1200.00 plus 300.00 for a chiller
Mt first system costs 225.00
Its all about the money.....
I keep mine at 5.8.@EventHorizan Is there a thread where I can see your full set up? I don’t mind dropping $1500 if it means I won’t ever have to hassle with crappy equipment and constant upgrades.
I found what I think is your “main thread” but there are something like 800 pages?? I’m hoping you can point me to a link somewhere that shows your set up. I’d love to see it.
Earlier you suggested a 4 pot system, but really I will NEVER want to do more than 2 little autos at a time, and probably just 1 most of the time. I could definitely get by with just 1 at a time, and I really dont have much more space than this box takes up.
Also, what are your guys thoughts on maintaining a rock solid 5.8 pH vs letting it drift from 5.6 to 6.1, then dosing back down to 5.6? The idea behind a drift makes sense on paper, but with todays chelated nutes it shouldn’t really be necessary right? If that’s the case I assume, all else being equal, our plants probably prefer a stable pH?
It has no problems with anything. I run cns17 nutes, its hooked up to continues RO water filter, and it has a ph controller.. Its pretty simple to use.. Got to keep the ppm low or you get some claw...And that first pic right there is why I don' like c.c's design.i hate the way they bring the pipe forward and split it there.gravity only pushes water forward from one pipe.if they were to make the pipes come from the control bucket gravity would push water evenly so u have a push pull effect.than they put a 1800 dollar price tag on 200 dollars worth of parts.
Still curious why you use RO water to top off your res and not a secondary reservoir with nute solution.I find this secondary solution critical as to know what is going in and whats going out.I can micro manage the PPM in the system and what is being mixed.So if i have 600 in the Epi bucket and 700 in the top off res i know my plants are taking in more than im giving.I can adjust the top off res to match the Epi.Also i will know how much solution they are drinking so i can add back the calmag.How do you know how much calmag to add in if you dont know how many gallons went missing.I have 6 plants that are drinking 2 gallons a day.If i replaced this with just RO water it seems the PPM would drop drastically in 3 o 4 days.Keeping the solution in a seperate res keeps the system topped off and i dont let up on whatever PPM they are set at.It has no problems with anything. I run cns17 nutes, its hooked up to continues RO water filter, and it has a ph controller.. Its pretty simple to use.. Got to keep the ppm low or you get some claw...
Honestly it been really cold and its having a bad effect on my plants.. Weather its harmful to my yield we will see...
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