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Not sure what you mean by using these things on an individual? Nitrate is a Nitrate etc. Plants can only uptake inorganic salts.For sure.
The world-systemic impact is definitely where I see the benefit of turning the tables on conventional practices.
I guess my question and what I, personally, don't think has had enough solid research put into it (if even possible without some crazy impractical generations-long tracing experiment) is the actual detriment that using these things has on an individual.
We're resilient, magnificent creatures capable of processing, mitigating, repelling, and remediating all sorts of shit that might be toxic to us.
But.. obviously some shit's going wrong with the state of health in the world, and I don't doubt for a second that food production has a large part to play in that.
When synthetic ferts are made there are requirements for testing. Organicis very far behind on this. So like your industrial area the soil is contaminated if it were used in composting and sold there are no real checks and balances until maybe some guy comes out to certify you as organic. Its not like these are are chemical per se that are just made in a lab. Synthetic is all the same elements the difference is only in how they are processed.Labels aside.
What do you want at your feet?
I'm in a pretty big post-industrial area (paper, steel, saw mills). The level of shit that has leached out from those plants (from decades or centuries ago) still sees areas of open land with hazard signs about playing on the grass... and that's just with the shit they know can cause acute toxicities.
I'd much rather "Shut Up and Take My Money!" at someone committed to the use of things that don't do that.
I guess what I mean is... what are the side effects? Are we absolutely certain that they don't uptake certain free radicals, for instance?Not sure what you mean by using these things on an individual? Nitrate is a Nitrate etc. Plants can only uptake inorganic salts.
I'm not sure what your asking? What free radicals?I guess what I mean is... what are the side effects? Are we absolutely certain that they don't uptake certain free radicals, for instance?
What are the synergistic effects of the inorganic salts that they take up when we're feeding them blends of things that we don't exactly understand, but are the only way to make available, those essential nutrients?
And do those things incorporate themselves into the plants we eat and thus transfer into us?
I definitely don't understand this shit well, and I'll definitely create some confusion because of that.
I guess what I mean is... what are the side effects? Are we absolutely certain that they don't uptake certain free radicals, for instance?
What are the synergistic effects of the inorganic salts that they take up when we're feeding them blends of things that we don't exactly understand, but are the only way to make available, those essential nutrients?
And do those things incorporate themselves into the plants we eat and thus transfer into us?
I definitely don't understand this shit well, and I'll definitely create some confusion because of that.
Yes I mean in terms of our nutrients. But your absolutely rightTaking up only inorganic salts is not true. There is a root membrane that filters out particles by size. Other than that screen marijuana is an accumulator plant. It will take up a lot more stuff than salts.
they are planted around chernoble to help uptake the radioactive material in the topsoil.
Essentially,I'm not sure what your asking? What free radicals?
No different than using organic and pesticides.Essentially,
Where does the chain end? If we use synthetic fertilizers and pesticides that contain known carcinogens or toxins, at what point are they no longer available to be absorbed by us? Is it absolutely certain what is and what is not absorbed by plants and, subsequently, us?
And that's where I frantically look around the room for the nearest exit.What toxins or know carcinogenic are used in synthetic ferts?
No different than using organic and pesticides.
What toxins or know carcinogenic are used in synthetic ferts?
If anything organics are more likely to contain them
And that's where I frantically look around the room for the nearest exit.
I'm far from knowing it all... this is mostly my opinion based on the research I have done. I'm always open to debate and learn. By all means bro share your opinions and knowledge in the end i think most here can agree we would rather have the right info than just be right... hope I'm not seeming like an ass I just like to debate and learn but I'm by no means an authority on the subject.And that's where I frantically look around the room for the nearest exit.
I'd be interested to dive into a deep R-Hole about that...
Me toohope I'm not seeming like an ass I just like to debate and learn
Call me bias but this community is one of the best at working together, communicating, debating and trying to find the right answer, most other communities that just throw mud pies trying to force thier agenda.Me too
And, quite frankly, it really helps for me to get my spiraling il/logic checked... cause sometimes I'll just start spouting shit that was an adjunct piece of adjacent data that has seemingly nothing to do with what I'm discussing because I've already made like five leaps in my train of thought... need to reel that shit in sometimes and all you great objective people here are perfect for that.
Yeah I wish there was some more science on this. I also feel that somehow, someway the microbes or symbiotic relationships they provide MAY or in my mind LIKELY provide benefits we are not aware of yet (or atleast i am not aware of)This is an interesting discussion, but it is straying from the part of organic source fertilization that interests me the most. And the reason im trying it for myself. And that is the theoretical potential to improve the quality of the end product.
What rattles around in my head is the thought that when youre using a complete balanced ionic nutrient, your plant is getting everything it needs to grow a big beautiful plant. But thats all its getting.
What im curious about is the other things produced by the microbes feeding on the organic sources of nutrients, that cannot be found in a synthetic fertilizer program. And the impact those compounts have on the development of the plant and the terpene production and percieved flavour of the weed. There is no question, growers have known for decades that using bat guano Imparts a flavour, which wouldnt be possible if the plant was only taking up the nutrient ions it released. Whether people like that influence is subjective, im in the camp who likes what guano does to the taste of pot.
And i know its true that some organic fertilizers are high in things like mercury and other heavy metals. But from all the reading ive done it seems like both Gaia Green and Earth juice are considered to be some of the best, cleanest sources of organic nutrients on the market.
Frankly im more concerned about consuming heavy metals in my commercially produced food and beverages.
I think that's how we got started on this... an anti-bottle warrior chiming in on dirt's Deplorable organic practices..Call me bias but this community is one of the best at working together, communicating, debating and trying to find the right answer, most other communities that just throw mud pies trying to force thier agenda.
Plenty of great open minds here and I feel it makes it easier to discuss things without worry of shit show.
Yeah, I'm into it for the enzymes... that shit is fascinating and probably capable of the extraordinary... or just the Very ordinary Very Proficiently.This is an interesting discussion, but it is straying from the part of organic source fertilization that interests me the most. And the reason im trying it for myself. And that is the theoretical potential to improve the quality of the end product.
What rattles around in my head is the thought that when youre using a complete balanced ionic nutrient, your plant is getting everything it needs to grow a big beautiful plant. But thats all its getting.
What im curious about is the other things produced by the microbes feeding on the organic sources of nutrients, that cannot be found in a synthetic fertilizer program. And the impact those compounts have on the development of the plant and the terpene production and percieved flavour of the weed. There is no question, growers have known for decades that using bat guano Imparts a flavour, which wouldnt be possible if the plant was only taking up the nutrient ions it released. Whether people like that influence is subjective, im in the camp who likes what guano does to the taste of pot.
And i know its true that some organic fertilizers are high in things like mercury and other heavy metals. But from all the reading ive done it seems like both Gaia Green and Earth juice are considered to be some of the best, cleanest sources of organic nutrients on the market.
Frankly im more concerned about consuming heavy metals in my commercially produced food and beverages.
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