We the people of colorado voted in 64. lots of folks worked to get it passed. so if we did it your state can as well.
Last thing we want is another flood of folks comming here to make bank on pot.
Look what happened with mmj it was great for awhile till everyone and their dog started up doing their gig and now look.....

chickenman said:

We the people of colorado voted in 64. lots of folks worked to get it passed. so if we did it your state can as well.
Last thing we want is another flood of folks comming here to make bank on pot.
Look what happened with mmj it was great for awhile till everyone and their dog started up doing their gig and now look.....

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We don't even need something like 64 to pass here. I heard most patients and growers voted against 64 just like we did here with prop 19. Between the loose mmj laws and decrim in CA things are fine just the way they are. We have had huge floods of folks coming out here to open disps and set up huge grows just like you guys are experiencing. It's been happening for a lot longer and on a larger scale. Do we try to deter them and act as though they're all trying to take food off our tables? Nope. It was exactly the same way here. Dispensaries started opening, everyone and their mother moved out here to get in on it and now it's turned into a mess. Do we as "native" Californians bitch about all the outsiders coming in and contributing to the problem? Nope.

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The both of you including several others are guilty of turning this into a CO vs CA dick measuring thread. All I did was state facts. Did I hate at all? No....I just simply stated that you guys are haters and elitists (generally speaking) and it's true. Once again you have both proved my statement to be correct.

I didn't even move to CO for the MMJ industry. In fact I had no idea it was even blowing up like it was until shortly after we moved there. I was in the outdoor industry out there supervising a warehouse and ended up hurting my back. A dispensary owner heard about the things I did with MMJ in CA and pulled me in. I was very reluctant to do so but needed work. I wasn't trying to get my piece of "your" pie and eat it too. I just wanted to work and climb. I didn't get my ass handed to me at all. I enjoyed my stay there immensely but in the end it just wasn't the right place for my wife and I. We weighed the pros and cons of both states and CA just happened to be a better fit for us. Making an informed, adult decision to move back to a state where you own a house on the coast, have friends, family and were born and raised is hardly getting your "ass handed to you". We told ourselves we would give CO a solid shot for a year and if we didn't fall in love with it we'd just move back to out home...we stayed for two years. Do I have a couple gripes with CO? Obviously. And I'm going to state those gripes in a thread where someone is seeking honest opinions. Are my gripes founded? Most definitely. They've been proven time and again in this thread.

Sorry If I offended anyone but I'm just telling it like it is.

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Not offended in the least, my heart knows the path I must take...
Apparently you dont know me very well, the last thing I have in my heart for anyone is hate. It the exact oppsite. Iam passionate about life, where i live, my lifestyle. I share my passions with the intent to inspire others to seek out the true meaning of living a good life, honesty, hard work, soberity, kindness, sharing, caring, helping others less fourtanate, thats what its all about for me, read my posts, you will see what iam all about.
I welcome anybody with open arms if you wish to contribute to making this a better place. Again its not all about comming here just for pot, which before 64 we did not have this disscussion. i love my weed, but theres way more to life.......
And yes I may be considered an eletist, but I worked my ass off to get where iam today and am proud of what ive done, took a huge risk and It payed off.
Was out in Cali recently, visiting my hometown, nice place to visit, but for me paradise is right outside my back door, Ive found well deserved senerity, peace and happiness after all the shit I went thru self destructing.........Mayonaise and pickle sandwich...

Not claiming to know you, nor am I judging your character. I read a lot of your posts and I hit the little like button on them quite frequently. I'm not trying to make you sound like a dick, just trying to keep this thread focused and real so this guy can make a truly informed decision.

Respect

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If growing and making a living is your goal then california is your best choice. Prices here are far better then colorado, and being able to offload to clubs is huge. Clubs still pay 36-42 for the top shelf, AAAA pounds all day here, in colorado thats a thing of the past.

California is where this game started, and it will always be ahead of the pack as far as genetics and growers controlling the market goes. Any initiative that will put growers out of work goes down in flames. Colorado is the opposite.

Imo, the sierras are far prettier then the rockies anyways. Cost of living is the same if u are smart and live in the right areas.

I would never in my life consider moving to colorado. Great place to visit tho. Just cant make a living growing, or i should say, u cant make a good living growing. And to be quite frank, most of the people that flocked there to get rich are fuckin pricks who act like they are colorado locals and ambassadors and have been there forever.. i dont get that attitude, u see it on the boards everyday.

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We don't even need something like 64 to pass here. I heard most patients and growers voted against 64 just like we did here with prop 19. Between the loose mmj laws and decrim in CA things are fine just the way they are. We have had huge floods of folks coming out here to open disps and set up huge grows just like you guys are experiencing. It's been happening for a lot longer and on a larger scale. Do we try to deter them and act as though they're all trying to take food off our tables? Nope. It was exactly the same way here. Dispensaries started opening, everyone and their mother moved out here to get in on it and now it's turned into a mess. Do we as "native" Californians bitch about all the outsiders coming in and contributing to the problem? Nope.

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I didnt really care if it passed or not. Had to vote yes though, even with all the cons.

We dont really hate people from ca. 5 million residents 60 million tourist, a lot of them from cali and texas. Thats all, just too many visitors. And you all ski and drive like lunatics, just a joke.

I'm not answering any more questions, because, honestly, after taking the time to answer what I thought were specific questions specifically, directly and correctly, I was blown right past and saw that all the OP really wants is another fucking fest. We have enough of those and why bother, only to be ignored?

I say stay where you are and change the laws in your state. Far better use of resources and time, and it will affect a far greater sphere of influence.


I'm in some agreement regarding perception of this issue with delae. I've never spent time in Colorado except connecting through Denver, but I do get the impression from many online personas, here and elsewhere, of "Don't come here!" It's just a perception. But then, perception is reality.

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We don't even need something like 64 to pass here. I heard most patients and growers voted against 64 just like we did here with prop 19. Between the loose mmj laws and decrim in CA things are fine just the way they are. We have had huge floods of folks coming out here to open disps and set up huge grows just like you guys are experiencing. It's been happening for a lot longer and on a larger scale. Do we try to deter them and act as though they're all trying to take food off our tables? Nope. It was exactly the same way here. Dispensaries started opening, everyone and their mother moved out here to get in on it and now it's turned into a mess. Do we as "native" Californians bitch about all the outsiders coming in and contributing to the problem? Nope.

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I think that we, as a group, are far more accustomed to huge influxes of people than folks in Colorado may be. However, there are those places that are exceptions to that 'rule,' and I think many, if not most of the rural and ranching areas of the state qualify. It is through these areas that Proposition 8 passed, and where the consensus against another particular group has much the same flavor ("illegal" aliens). Just start up a conversation in my county about them and you'll soon hear bitching about them taking their jobs. Yet, last year we had a shortage of workers who were actually willing to work! Watch the cost of that food skyrocket, too, as farmers have to work harder to get workers who'll WORK (cuz 'mericans ain't them).

Again, this is my perception.

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I'm not answering any more questions, because, honestly, after taking the time to answer what I thought were specific questions specifically, directly and correctly, I was blown right past and saw that all the OP really wants is another fucking fest. We have enough of those and why bother, only to be ignored?

I say stay where you are and change the laws in your state. Far better use of resources and time, and it will affect a far greater sphere of influence.


I'm in some agreement regarding perception of this issue with delae. I've never spent time in Colorado except connecting through Denver, but I do get the impression from many online personas, here and elsewhere, of "Don't come here!" It's just a perception. But then, perception is reality.



I think that we, as a group, are far more accustomed to huge influxes of people than folks in Colorado may be. However, there are those places that are exceptions to that 'rule,' and I think many, if not most of the rural and ranching areas of the state qualify. It is through these areas that Proposition 8 passed, and where the consensus against another particular group has much the same flavor ("illegal" aliens). Just start up a conversation in my county about them and you'll soon hear bitching about them taking their jobs. Yet, last year we had a shortage of workers who were actually willing to work! Watch the cost of that food skyrocket, too, as farmers have to work harder to get workers who'll WORK (cuz 'mericans ain't them).

Again, this is my perception.

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All right, this is how it is. When the pioneers came along on their horses and wagons, Colorado was a very inhospitable place to be. You had to be a proud hearty soul, all the pussies moved on to California or went back east where they came from. So we just started with a stronger gene pool. lol. Its not hate, just a little rivalry. The perception of California is Holywood, rich movie stars, too many gangs, too much crime. Yes Denver is not far removed. I was born here and I have relatives in Texas and California, I think we all do. I've spent a lot of time in California, some great people and places, same with Texas. And I read your post, I might take a job in Washington next spring, Its over in November and i might stop and spend some time in California. A lot of ifs, but I will re-read your posts if I do, I know you know what your talking about.

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The both of you including several others are guilty of turning this into a CO vs CA dick measuring thread. All I did was state facts. Did I hate at all? No....I just simply stated that you guys are haters and elitists (generally speaking) and it's true.

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It didn't seem to me that this was a dick measuring contest, and I surely wasn't defending my state. He asked for why locals liked where they were from, so I gave my thoughts. Except for the dude egregious statement that poor people in southern Colorado didn't like outsiders, I didn't think anyone else was seriously suggesting folks not come here. It seems to me all the list of things I mentioned could be done as well in CA. Fuck, if I had the money I'd much prefer to be in Northern CA than here...

I suppose I may be a minority in this regard, but I feel one of the great things about CO is the diversity of its population. We have people moving here from everywhere for whatever reason they came, and it gives this place a burgeoning dynamic. That said, no where else are the benefits of diverse population more apparent than in CA...

I guess what I'm saying is there are assholes everywhere. People wear their birth geography like a badge of honor when it's a matter of circumstance, no less proudly than in locals from all over CA.

I am curious though, whether Coloradans are excessively proud compared to other states.... True, I have never seen NATIVE bumper stickers anywhere else than CO.... Conversely, the predominance of area codes I've seen tattooed on forearms and abdominals being Cali locals, is equally telling

And I sometimes feel CA and CO drivers are in an open competition to be the worst, most aggressive in the nation, but that is beside the point.

While you grabbing those sandals at Messiah's R Us....ya didn't happen to snag any of those cool Jesus beards, did ya?

I think marijuana is an amazing plant but when its turned into an industry I guess this is what happens. I'm surprised and somewhat glad not many people from WA have chimed in cause this could turn into a trifecta of shit.

How about this tell me 3 awesome things about your town and 3 negative things about it. As if some random dude and his wife asked you on the street.

Please.

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It's because Californians don't feel the need to defend their state the way CO folks seem to NEED to. People "from" CO have major beef with Californians but no one from CA gives a shit or even knows about it. It's a one sided war. CO is full of haters and elitists and they are obviously proving that quite boldly in this thread. I've been there, done it, and moved back.....I'll take CA over CO any day. Not one person from CA has chimed in with this "better act right or I'll get you" "pick up after yourself and I'll allow you to stay here" fuckin' bullshit. It's laughable and completely absurd.

This thread is a really poor way to judge things for yourself (unless you seek biased opinions). As you can see it's full of people from CO trying to hype how bad ass "their" state is while trying to deter you/everyone from moving there. Visit all three states, go to each state for a couple weeks at a time, talk to people face to face, check out cities you're interested in, research which states MJ laws you prefer, then make a decision. A weed forum is a horrible place to base a big move on. Moving is expensive...especially if you don't like the state you move to and decide to move again like I did.

Time for me to go smoke a late night J on the beach...legally. ;)

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You're a bit confused. First, what you're misinterpreting as 'hating' is actually called 'pride' and 'protectiveness' around here. You wanna litter? Then stay in polluted, grubby-ass Cali! We like our state without trashbags and wrecked campsites, and we're not afraid to say so.

I know, respecting your home state is a foreign concept perhaps, but if you come here, you'll see why we feel this way. If you were hoping for an apology, you came to the wrong place.

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Ty, New Yorkers migrating into CO? I never heard that one before.

Texan and Cali peeps yes, but I ain't met a NY transplant here in the 13 years or so I been in CO.

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I know several. Several more in the industry here, in fact. You may not have met any up your way because they seem to like to stay close to their natural habitat of 'urban jungle'... poor things... :rolleyes:

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It's because Californians don't feel the need to defend their state the way CO folks seem to NEED to. People "from" CO have major beef with Californians but no one from CA gives a shit or even knows about it. It's a one sided war. CO is full of haters and elitists and they are obviously proving that quite boldly in this thread. I've been there, done it, and moved back.....I'll take CA over CO any day. Not one person from CA has chimed in with this "better act right or I'll get you" "pick up after yourself and I'll allow you to stay here" fuckin' bullshit. It's laughable and completely absurd.

This thread is a really poor way to judge things for yourself (unless you seek biased opinions). As you can see it's full of people from CO trying to hype how bad ass "their" state is while trying to deter you/everyone from moving there. Visit all three states, go to each state for a couple weeks at a time, talk to people face to face, check out cities you're interested in, research which states MJ laws you prefer, then make a decision. A weed forum is a horrible place to base a big move on. Moving is expensive...especially if you don't like the state you move to and decide to move again like I did.

Time for me to go smoke a late night J on the beach...legally. ;)

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You're a bit confused. First, what you're misinterpreting as 'hating' is actually called 'pride' and 'protectiveness' around here. You wanna litter? Then stay in polluted, grubby-ass Cali! We like our state without trashbags and wrecked campsites, and we're not afraid to say so.

I know, respecting your home state is a foreign concept perhaps, but if you come here, you'll see why we feel this way. If you were hoping for an apology, you came to the wrong place.

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Ty, New Yorkers migrating into CO? I never heard that one before.

Texan and Cali peeps yes, but I ain't met a NY transplant here in the 13 years or so I been in CO.

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I know several. Several more in the industry here, in fact. You may not have met any up your way because they seem to like to stay close to their natural habitat of 'urban jungle'... poor things... :rolleyes:

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You're a bit confused. First, what you're misinterpreting as 'hating' is actually called 'pride' and 'protectiveness' around here. You wanna litter? Then stay in polluted, grubby-ass Cali! We like our state without trashbags and wrecked campsites, and we're not afraid to say so.

I know, respecting your home state is a foreign concept perhaps, but if you come here, you'll see why we feel this way. If you were hoping for an apology, you came to the wrong place.

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HAHA WHAT?! Don't be a little butt hurt cunt dude! I'm not confused at all. I'm on point at all times and calling it like I see it. "polluted, grubby-ass Cali" You're a fucking IDIOT for posting that misinformed, slanderous bullshit. This is THE most ridiculous post I've seen in this thread. If you think CA is littered with trashbags and wrecked campsites then that makes you an ignorant fucking moron that clearly has never been here and you're just spewing shit to save face. Keep your fucking elitist hate tucked in a little "trashbag" buddy. Or maybe you're actually from here but now you put a "NATIVE" bumper sticker on your car in CO and are trying to validate your dumb ass decision....I can't even wrap my head around this CO elitist nonsense. It's just going around in circles and you're in no way shape or form helping the person who started this thread...

Read my posts again guy...I've been there and done it. I speak from experience and you're only validating my points once again. You're a hater and an elitist that has MAJOR unfounded beef with Californians and California itself. Keep in mind that this isn't a shit slinging "MY STATE IS BETTER THAN YOURS AND I SUCK MY OWN DICK BECAUSE I LIVE IN CO" thread. We're trying to help a fellow farmer make an informed decision about and expensive and serious move and you're trolling...

Why the fuck would I be looking for an apology? Once again I think you should go back and read ALL of my posts. If you feel the NEED to reply again at that point then do so but keep it constructive and cordial. I do come out there quite often as I've stated in the posts you've decided to skim through.

Have some fucking respect and you'll earn it in return.

DELAE

all of you would be alot cooler if you lived in michigan.

man i love california. born and raised. Del mar/PQ/carmel valley/poway the whole 56 basically... with a couple years in santa clarita/valencia and ventura.

fucking more beautiful than anywhere you wanna go.

if you compare all of california to bakersfield you better compare CO to grand junction. there are shitty places everywhere.

if you're an old dude with a farm, yeah, california may not look that appealing to you. if you're younger and into younger things... the juice only gets sweeter. there are a million reason to love or hate BOTH places... i just ended up in CO because i like less people and like to "ninja" my way through life haha. dont want to leave any impressions on earth i was here...

as far as herb, i think california will take the cake as far as being able to make a profit still, but colorado has always been (even before medical) a weed state. #1 crop producer for the state, they didnt really care in the first place (unless they were bored and had nothing to do). dont get me wrong, california was too. i've had many a brushes with the law in CA and not ONCE have i been arrested or had anything taken from me.

California has the right mindset as far as everything with herb goes (minus the govt bustin their teeth up) but colorado just needs to accept the "non natives" thing. like over 50% of people that live here put this little entitlement sticker on their bumper that has CO mountains and says "native"

the only reason i think people are trying to give those negative opinions about coming to colorado LITERALLY do see visions of $$$ swirling their eyes. its not like that here. you can get 125$ zip of A stuff if you know where to look. then figure everything associated with that, and what your profit may be.

its shitty here right now! this isnt a one light pay the rent style place.... like almost every non med state in the US is. its rough out here, i dont think anyone has strictly said "stay away" but if you came to me in 2009 and said you wanted to be a loan officer, i would have smacked you in the face and said why waste your fucking time?

nobody knows where the market will and is going.... all i know is DOWN. if you want to come out here fuck yes, but like ive always said make is something more than weed. if anything and you're going to move for weed go somewhere non med and 3x your money. california may have that potential if youre runnin hype strains people will pay for. but both places are amazing places to live if your "hip" with the times. but if you like relaxing, less mexicans (i'll say it cause im half LOL) shitty mexican food but beautiful nice people, fresh air and a ton of excersize.... i mean... its preference right???

i dont see a reason to call it arguing other than the last couple.... debates are simply laying down facts and taking sides. simple as that..... no need to bust out any lube nobody is getting bent over here.

but i love CO, i love weed, and i love a million other things about this place. life is what you make it, and im making it here. anyone can do anything anywhere.... dont let a law stop you. have your own morals and work around that... usually they coincide but at the end of the day, the person that "thinks" they know whats right for me was born with just as much info as i was, so i'll happily say fuck your opinions and have a nice day! (not to you all, i love you guys. LOL)


honestly if anything, fuck WA..... (HAHAH kidding guys)

CR's mornin rant with a bowl of alien grapevine and some shittier pharma meds. LOL

Ty, you seem to forget that people who live in NY are not all living in skyscrapers and playing in the urban jungles. lol. From a guy born and raised in the Armpit of America, Buffalo "shit-town, NY, I find your comment quite funny..as well as terribly incorrect. That's falls into the the same bogus thinking where others believe everyone in California surfs and plays in the sand. And to clear up the other New Yorker myth: Not everyone who was born in NY has that "NY/Jersey accent." That's the first thing people say to me when I tell them I was from NY" " How come you don't have that goofy NY accent?" That accent is primarily rooted in the NYC area only. Putting shitty & stinky NYC aside, the rest of NY is one the best states for hunting and fishing with miles upon miles of farmland, lakes, rivers, etc and lets not forget The Adirondack Mountains which covers a huge portion of NY. Allegany Mountains? The Finger lakes?

I'd bet in you looked up stats to see how many NYers have moved here to CO it would be very low. Most NYers have settled in Florida and Tejas.

Personally I am not a flag waver. I have no real "patriotic love" for a state nor do I have any emotional/poitico attachment to it. I came here because I thought the climate and surrounding landscape suited my personal tastes quite nicely (I liked the gun laws too). I also do not judge folks because of where they came from as long as they acting responsible and contributing something to the area they reside in (and not mooching off the system, directly or indirectly). I never really understood "state lovers" and I certainly do not understand people bickering over which state is best. I've traveled the world and people are fucking people, no matter where you go. I like to give the Cali people some shit but it's always just "friendly razzing"...as I know it is sometimes easy to ruffle their feathers. I think many people have this "my state is better than your state" attitude. Much like a dog pissing on "his turf." It's kinda odd if ya ask me. That "I was here first" thing just doesn't cut it..especially with my ancestoral background. :)

In my 13 or so years here in CO I see a lot of locals talking shit about people who have come here from other states. There are a lot of haters here in CO and most of it is unleashed on Texans and Cali peeps and not to mention the total hatred towards all Mexicans, legal or illegal. I welcome people here, especially the MJ friendly people (with exclusion to the moochers of course). I didn't move here 12-13 years ago to grow pot. I came here because I loved the mountains and the climate. I think there are people now who are thinking of moving here because they are looking for some freedom to grow some pot and not have to worry about sitting in a cage for 10 years because they got caught with 6 grams of schwagg (or for having an empty bowl).

Not everyone posting or asking questions about CO and the MJ laws are coming here solely to be millionaires in the pot industry. And for the people who want to come here to try and cash in on the Green Rush? Fuck I don't care...let em' give it a whirl. Enough people have posted on this thread that it is no cakewalk to run a profitable MJ shop here. Most won't listen anyway and they'll come dispite the honest postings and warnings.

I think the local CO folks do not like the people migrating here with greed as their primary driver...and rightfully so. But it's still a big business opportunity for many... despite the hoop jumping, challenges and investment costs. States like CO and Cali are a pot growers dream. But not all dreams come true...but it sure doesn't do any harm in chasing them. From some of the reading I have done here on the farm, some people just want to move here so they can kick back a bit. Not all of of them want to start running warehouse grows.

signed,
New Yorker Half Breed Mutt....with no accent. lol

PS..and yeah I get a kick out of those bumper stickers labeled "NATIVE." lol Think about it!

Cali would be the place to go to make money, right now at least. I recently smoked some $160 oz weed from a dispensary, it was pretty good. If it retails for $160, what is the wholesale price going to be? Maybe the price will go back up, maybe down who knows. Things might be a lot different a year from now. Got to be a few people out there thinking about coming here just to buy $20 eighth's. If the price gets much lower there wont be much financial motivation to grow, in the end maybe thats a good thing.

Anybody in Vermont, wonder what that scene is like.

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If the price gets much lower there wont be much financial motivation to grow, in the end maybe thats a good thing.

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this is what the gov. would like to happen. they want to strip the financial gain away from growing to a point that it is similar to liquor/moonshining. how many guys do you know making shine in their basement and selling it to underage kids (tv shows dont count lol)? now ask yourself that same question about MJ...

i know where my product goes, but i also know people that dont have standards. as long as there is profit to be gained, those folks will be out there bangin.

''You're a bit confused. First, what you're misinterpreting as 'hating' is actually called 'pride' and 'protectiveness' around here.''

Sounds like something i once heard a white supremacist say almost word for word.

"You wanna litter? Then stay in polluted, grubby-ass Cali! We like our state without trashbags and wrecked campsites, and we're not afraid to say so."

Wow you obviously dont know jack shit about california,We LEAD the nation in environmental issues and ive seen thousands of Grubby ass california litterers show up for beach cleanup days,our campsites are pristine,yeah a loser might make a mess here or there but its cleaned up ASAP,just like it is in colorado im sure,it sounds like you are trying to compare downtown Los Angeles to rocky mountain national park in your analogy which is retarded and you should say IM not afraid to say so because i dont hear alot of other coloradans here saying they share your misguided view.

"I know, respecting your home state is a foreign concept perhaps, but if you come here, you'll see why we feel this way. If you were hoping for an apology, you came to the wrong place."

Is colorado your home state?Were you born and raised there?If not dont you think that many of the "natives" might view you too as an invasive species?Is that fair?I dont think Delae needs or wants an apology from you because he knows as he already has posted that "HATERS GONNA HATE"