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It's troubling that people growing from seed are also seeing plenty of duds. I don't know if that means it's pollen borne, but that seems unfortunately likely. Hopefully the meristem isn't carrying virus and it's cleanable.I wasnt trying to Dismiss your Contribution. Just doesnt seem as practical as an UVC Lamp for me
I read about using Milk to Combat TMV Years ago, but havent read any new Papers on it. I will read through what you provided, thanks for that.
So are we now thinking it's not direct leaf rub contact to spread the virus? Also a virus in humans like hpv is now prevented with a shot.... Having a huge brain fart and can't remember what this was called lolIt's troubling that people growing from seed are also seeing plenty of duds. I don't know if that means it's pollen borne, but that seems unfortunately likely. Hopefully the meristem isn't carrying virus and it's cleanable.
As far as milk goes, even if it worked as a sort of control, it has to be refrigerated, it lasts only 10 days, and the quantity it would take to effectively control a widely spread viral problem is prohibitive as a long term strategy.
Short term - I think growing the best, healthiest plants you can and culling everything with symptoms is crucial. Physan 20 is a good antiviral agent to clean equipment. It can blind you if the concentrated stuff gets in your eyes, so wear a face shield while mixing it.
I believe airborne transmission to be unlikely for a plant virus, except by the pollen vector. Animal viruses can do this because they're often stable in airisolized body fluids and penetrate mucous membranes in the respiratory tract.
This stuff really needs a vector to get past the thick cell walls of plants. That's why bugs are such a problem. I'm at a loss to find a soil that doesn't have fungus gnats or thrip larva. I believe we're passed that though. There's too much out there already to isolate and avoid this with any major genetic. They've almost all crossed paths sometime in the last 8 years, if not resulted from direct duds infected parent stock.
We need an ID. There are a lot of mosaic viruses. There are a lot of other viruses. This could be a combination of several. Identification will tell us whether meristem tissue culture will work. Until then, it's loss mitigation.
Anyone have easy access to a wide array of ELISA plant virus test kits? Links handy?
Vaccinations don't work in plants as far as I know. We needs tests. This will take work to figure out. If it's like strawberries, it's spread already. Everything pretty much has it. If you've seen it, it's there. Plant herpes that only becomes symptomatic if the host is particularly susceptible (GG4) or becomes impaired (stressed plants). They got it clone to clone to clone to clone etc. How it spreads in a room isn't particularly relevant as far as exposure goes. Clean operations will likely reduce viral load however. It's spread unchecked and unrecognized for almost a decade. Maybe longer. Strawberries got wiped out in 2012/13 in an above-ground industry with bona fide nurseries screening things.So are we now thinking it's not direct leaf rub contact to spread the virus? Also a virus in humans like hpv is now prevented with a shot.... Having a huge brain fart and can't remember what this was called lol
How many times do you have to spray milk? I think the smell of sour milk in the g room would be unbareable :drunk2:Read the paper I provided and learn something about it before being so quick to dismiss it.
While I would suggest nothing is impossible, if memory serves, there are few or no plant viruses associated with fungas gnats.Great video, that's a class I would not be bored at all in.
On a plus note he doesn't mention anything about viruses spreading from plant to plant just by physical contact.
Now my next question is can a fungus gnat or there larvea be a vector for a plant virus?
Couple things, the video says "every cut taken from an infected plant may be 100% infected."
"tissue culture is the best stock possible"
"Pollen born virus, but not all virus are pollen born."
"Vectors = White flies, thrips , aphids, mites and nematodes."
In his studies, he found one plant with 8 viruses......Is it possible plants that are clone only and heavily traded, is it possible they have multiple viruses? Like GG #4?
After watching the video, and seeing all the reports out there, I am starting to think the vector is broad and russet mites.
Is it the paper with the abstract that ends as follows?If the goal is to prevent spread of viruses, USE MILK in your regimen. Clean your tools with it, clean your hands with it, clean the pots, etc with it. I have already provided the paper discussing and supporting this method.
It's not spraying milk, it's making a milk solution to wash your hands and tools with, kind of like how you'd use Physan 20 for disinfection purposes. I don't recall the ratio.How many times do you have to spray milk? I think the smell of sour milk in the g room would be unbareable :drunk2:
Well somehow someway my strains have the same symptoms as the syrsins I brought in last summer. And the only pests I have is Fungus gnats. Unless it can be transmitted just by touch then I'm clueless.While I would suggest nothing is impossible, if memory serves, there are few or no plant viruses associated with fungas gnats.
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This table is interesting, from copied from Roger Hull. Each virus is different in plant concentration in different parts; it is possible that some viruses could be eliminated in some plants with simpler cloning procedures than the meristematic isolation he is discussing in the video for strawberries, though that method, combined with thermal or cryo treatments, is probably the most effective route for most viruses. Chemical methods are used in conjunction at times too.
Many viruses may not produce symptoms. When virologists perform next generation sequencing on a plant, it is common to find viruses even in healthy plants. Some plants or plant phenotypes may be fully tolerant to a virus. Or it is possible that such virus may later become debilitating if then combined with a second virus. Its pretty f%$%% complicated.
Is it the paper with the abstract that ends as follows?
"Skimmed milk was effective, noncaustic and inexpensive for the inactivation of CyMV inoculated on local lesion indicator host plants. However, when systemic host plants (orchids) were used in evaluation, skimmed milk and other chemicals were ineffective for inactivation of CyMV. A 1% concn of NaOH inactivated both CyMV and ORSV, but 10 and 20% conc were phytotoxic."
If FG and being side by side doesn't spread the virus then this would be the only way I spread it to my plants. Because I did cut clones with the infected strains as we as mine.One thing I do that I could see causing me to spread problems is when I take clones. I use the same pair of scissors and cup of water on all the plants. I'll cut a half dozen off a plant throw them in a cup of water then go put them in the rooter. Then use the same snips and cup to continue to the other strains.
Very good point. I'm actually reveging all my strains from none infected fully bloomed plants I just chopped. I left a few flowers on each for the reveging process. Will update In my thread how it goesAnother thing I do is go around and snip out bottoms without sterilization between plants. I've never had a problem doing this but if some type of virus is introduced into my garden I could see it spreading fast
Well somehow someway my strains have the same symptoms as the syrsins I brought in last summer. And the only pests I have is Fungus gnats. Unless it can be transmitted just by touch then I'm clueless.
No absolutely not no duds at all, these clones were cut before I ever tried to cut the clones from duds.We're there ever any duds in the genetics you're reveging? Was there even one from that stock that you culled or set aside before you flowered it? Or do you believe it's never had a dud? What strain?
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