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Amen to that and maby a last rights too if not heeded. lolI just want to say be extra careful mixing acids with bases. Never mix them together in concentrated form.
jr peters is reasonable on their mix of soluable traces (m.o.s.t.) in small amount that will last a lifetime.Im putting in the order today from CHN. Just trying to find the simple things that weigh a ton locally. So far, no luck. There's no way I can find chelated micros and most of the other stuff locally, especially in smaller sizes.
Ive called every ag supplier around and all they have is 25 and 50 lb bags of micros, questionable epsom and subpar in-house calcium nitrate.
That did sound bad on my part, sorry. I never meant to cut you out and take your free information. Your advise and time spent answering my questions is invaluable. Thank you! From my research, CHN carries top grade stuff at a competitive price.
Sorry I have been reading nmeeks post for like the last 3-4 hrs and can do no more reading tonight but have a question. I'd like to try something similar to his program which I have a basic grasp of.
I currently run mills nutrients and an enzyme or something through a series of four dosatrons in two gal pots of Tupur. So sticking with my current system I'd like to mix as complete of a regimen possible using only 4 dosers. I'd like to mix salts as evenly spread through the fertigators as possible but don't remember what things play nice together and what doesn't. Anyways thanks for reading. And any advice will be greatly appreciated
I'm useing Npk Raw bloom now.Definitely check out RAW NPK product line, and YT videos
Foxfarms Grow Big...Big Bloom...or whatever its called..and the other one...been around forever. I remember when Foxfarm was just small time mom and pop family company. Just a straight laced vegetable nute company. They got on the indoor wink wink bandwagon since them early days. There shit works...but there are FAR BETTER brands than them. Dont get me wrong. They work. But that whole semi organic or half and half shit...nah. Tried it. Years ago. I have moved on. If you want a semi organic...or half and half...Botanicare Pure Blend Pro is much better. More thought and research went into that one...when it was just Pure Blend back in the day. But even that one is subpar in my experience compared to all salt brands. I know of bigger forum growers that would agree.About four years ago i came to this thread and have been using fatmans coco coir recipe ever since with awesome results. I did a grow comparison between foxfarms trio formula and fatmans coco coir recipe and fatman won hands down. The only thing i have changed was the concentration amount in part a and b. Instead of using one gallon i used a half a gallon of distilled water to make the concentrate. With fatmans recipe i don't have to worry about supplements or even the ph. its all figured in. Never wasting hard earned cash on commercial ever again. A hundred bucks will last a lifetime and i didnt have a problem finding the ingredients online.
Cogos, if you know about these chem salt fertilizers, then you know that there are cheap forms and expensive forms, I'll use DAP vs MAP as a good example, and I'm going to assume that you know exactly what I mean when I mention DAP/MAP.
I won't argue with you about AN, they're expensive as hell and mostly marketing in my opinion.
But you're not winning many people over by coming in here and basically stomping all around the place. If that's your goal (to troll) then we mods will help you along. If it's not, I've got to ask you again to use a different approach and make it far less confrontational than you've been using.
And I hadn't noticed that shaggyballs had made it over here.
also, I wanted to post some of Fatman's "suggested" formula's. I haven't double checked these, and am simply copying and pasting. Turns out, Lucas may work, but not be that great. Here are some recommended formulas for using RDWC type systems, or I'm sure would work in any system recirculating
The below formulations are for recirculation reservoir systems. They are low ammonium nitrogen fertilizations so they have lower phosphorus as typically phosphoric acid is being added quite often due to pH rises during high nitrate uptake. If you like I can make up formualtions more desirable to your growing method. Your method is more like a soil grow but with out the humus to buffer against pH rises. Your system would likely do better with lower calcium, and magnesium but higher phosphorus as one would use with a drain to waster hydro like a high pressure aero system.
fatman's Veg Formulation
ppm
Nitrogen 267
Phosphorus 82
Potassium 291
Magnesium 93
Calcium 261
Sulfur 123
Iron 10.00
Manganese 5.00
Boron 5.00
Zinc 5.00
Copper 1.00
Molybdenum .09
Ounces
Part A
Calcium Nitrate 91.5
Potassium Nitrate 17.4
Iron Chelate 7.14
Part B
Potassium Nitrate 17.4
MonoPotassium Phosphate 27.3
Magnesium Sulfate 66.4
Manganese Sulfate 1.423
Boric Acid / Solubor 1.944
Zinc Sulfate 1.542
Copper Sulfate .311
Ammonium Molybdate .013
Volume of Stock Solutions
5.3 gallons
Dilution Rate 100
EC 2.75
pH 5.8
TDS 1925
fatman's Bloom Formula
ppm
Nitrogen 240
Phosphorus 74
Potassium 261
Magnesium 84
Calcium 235
Sulfur 111
Iron 10.00
Manganese 5.00
Boron 5.00
Zinc 5.00
Copper 1.00
Molybdenum .09
Ounces
Part A
Calcium Nitrate 82.2
Potassium Nitrate 15.6
Iron Chelate 7.14
Part B
Potassium Nitrate 15.6
MonoPotassium Phosphate 24.6
Magnesium Sulfate 59.7
Manganese Sulfate 1.423
Boric Acid / Solubor 1.944
Zinc Sulfate 1.542
Copper Sulfate .311
Ammonium Molybdate .013
Volume of Stock Solutions 5.3
Dilution Rate 100
EC 2.47
TDS 1729
pH 5.8
Yes the formulations can be made in smaller batchs. Say for a 1.06 gallon batch divide each ingrediant by 5. A batch of say 5.3 gallons of concentrate means 2.65 gallons of Part A and 2.65 gallons of Part B. Not 5.3 gallons of each. The formulations should cost about $5 per each gallon of 100 to 1 concentrate.
For leafy green, you want Nitrogen dominant nutrient NPK. So, something like 5-3-3 would be good option.Hi,
Can the veg formula be used for veggies like swiss chard, spinach etc.. basically all leafy greens.
BTW anybody knows where is FatMan..?????????
For leafy green, you want Nitrogen dominant nutrient NPK. So, something like 5-3-3 would be good option.
No, lost track of Fatman, he was paranoid type, but I guess rightfully so after spending all that time locked up
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