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I myself am very familiar with the system as I have been in it but I am not going back. Most important thing is just don't trust no one plain and simple. I have been with guys who were doing serious time because there best friend or family members set them up. Also, your girlfriend who you love so much who also knows everything there is going to come a day when you and that bitch break up and she spills the beans on everything ahahhaha
 
I myself am very familiar with the system as I have been in it but I am not going back. Most important thing is just don't trust no one plain and simple. I have been with guys who were doing serious time because there best friend or family members set them up. Also, your girlfriend who you love so much who also knows everything there is going to come a day when you and that bitch break up and she spills the beans on everything ahahhaha
Bro's before Ho's. You're bro will die for you. Your bro will push you out the driver seat when both drunk getting pulled over by po po... You getting the shit kicked out of yourself by 5 bangers your bro will fight by your side, There are few and not many people who got your back.
 
At my trial my best bro came up to the jury one by one in the hall of the court house and went up to each and everyone of them and told them what would happen if I was guilty. Then told everyone including the jury cop, I'll be in room 204, my parol officers Office if anyone has problem with that,
THAT's a BRO!
 
At my trial my best bro came up to the jury one by one in the hall of the court house and went up to each and everyone of them and told them what would happen if I was guilty. Then told everyone including the jury cop, I'll be in room 204, my parol officers Office if anyone has problem with that,
THAT's a BRO!

Yeah he is but not sure how he got away with that? Intimidating a jury member is a serious offense punishable by up to ten years in prison...
 
Its a small town and he pulls crap like that all the time. Thats why he was on his way to the parole office, but the locals like him if your on his good side. The bailiff was his cousin, but there not the best of cousin relationships...
 
Doesn't really have anything to do with the license, my guess they will transfer ownersship of them on Monday or Tuesday to someone in their group that wasn't charged or have a record if they need to..but since no charges have been brought all they need to do is open the doors and find some product to sell, so buy your 30 percent based on your last weeks on hand numbers and start a shit load of clones...people already lined up to wholesale them whatever they need Im sure
 
One of the main reasons why alcohol prohibition ended was because jurors were not convicting people charged with alcohol use or sales.


Jury Nullification: Right, Remedy, or Danger?

MAY 25, 2011 by WENDY MCELROY
Last December a “mutiny” occurred in a Montana courtroom. At least that’s what a stunned county deputy attorney called it. One of 27 members of a jury pool spoke up to ask why taxpayer money was being wasted to prosecute a man accused of possessing 1/16th of an ounce of marijuana. When polled, a large majority of the potential jurors indicated their reluctance to convict on such a minor possession.

The judge called a recess and the prosecutor worked out a plea deal, which read, “Public opinion, as revealed by the reaction of a substantial portion of the members of the jury . . . is not supportive of the state’s marijuana law and appeared to prevent any conviction from being obtained. . . .”

Technically jury nullification did not occur because no jury had been seated. Nullification occurs when a jury in a criminal case either acquits or refuses to convict a defendant despite the letter of the law or the weight of evidence. In effect the jury passes judgment on the justice of the law and refuses to facilitate what it deems to be unjust.

Nullification is often held up as a populist defense against oppressive or corrupt law, but many questions surround the legal procedure.

Natural Right, Necessary Legal Procedure?
The most basic question: Is jury nullification—or, more broadly, trial by jury—a natural right or merely a legal procedure to be judged on its utility in preserving justice? If trial by jury is a natural right, akin to freedom of speech, then no other consideration should interfere with it. If it is a strategy, then other considerations become powerful.

Trial by jury has acquired the air of a natural right for several reasons.

The proceeding has been enshrined in some of Western civilization’s most venerated statements of individual rights. In Trial by Jury, the nineteenth-century American legal scholar Lysander Spooner translated Article 39 of Magna Carta (1215) as protecting all free men from the abridgment of liberty except “by the lawful judgment of his peers, and or by the law of the land.”

Among the “repeated injuries and usurpations” of King George listed in the American Declaration of Independence was “depriving us [colonials] . . . of the benefits of Trial by Jury.” The Sixth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution opens, “In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury. . . . ”

In practice, trial by jury has sometimes served as a clear front-line defense against oppressive laws. Jury nullification was explicitly embedded into British common law in 1670, when an English jury refused to convict William Penn for preaching Quakerism; the jurors were imprisoned. In ruling on their imprisonment the English high court stated that juries must be able to reach their own decisions without fear of punishment. In 1735 jury nullification was affirmed in colonial America when jurors refused to convict publisher John Peter Zenger for printing criticisms of the governor of New York.

Moreover, prominent nineteenth-century libertarians viewed trial by jury as an indispensable weapon against injustice. The publisher Benjamin Tucker declared, “The truth is that jury service is of much higher importance than the right of suffrage.”

But others argued that trial by jury was neither a right nor a trustworthy service to liberty.

Certainly it is difficult to view the act of passing legally binding judgment on others or demanding others to pass such judgment on you as a direct right based on self-ownership. For one thing, if the procedure is a right, then others have a duty to provide it for you; in other words it would be an entitlement or positive right, not a natural or negative one. Instead advocates like Spooner and Tucker considered trial by jury to be a delegated right. Since an individual can properly weigh evidence and facts for himself—that is, can try his own case—he could properly delegate that right to others who were willing to assume it.

But the delegation of rights could not be presumed. Spooner wrote of the omnipresent need for explicit delegation of any right: “No one’s consent could be presumed against him, without his actual consent being given. . . . And to make it binding upon any one, his signature, or other positive evidence of consent, was . . . necessary.”

How, then, could a jury claim jurisdiction over a man who refused to delegate his right? Certain laws or societal conditions were so obviously beneficial that Spooner assumed everyone would agree to them. Nevertheless if some individuals objected to trial by jury, perhaps preferring a panel of experts, then “they must . . . form a separate association for that purpose.”

In short, even its staunchest advocates viewed trial by jury as neither a natural right nor an automatically delegated one. It was an active preference.

Is Trial by Jury Good for Liberty?
A key question for any strategy is whether it achieves its intended goal. With trial by jury or nullification the goal is to protect individuals against unjust law. Many critiques of its effectiveness are utilitarian and address how best to structure a jury. For example emphasis is placed on the need for a randomly chosen jury rather than a selected or screened one that can be sculpted by the State.

Other critiques are more fundamental. For example juries can easily achieve the opposite of their intended goal; they can further injustice by refusing to convict those who are guilty of violating just law.

Consider one historical type of jury nullification. In the early and mid-twentieth century, all-white juries in the South notoriously refused to convict whites who attacked or murdered blacks. The two early trials of Ku Klux Klan member Byron De La Beckwith for the 1963 murder of black civil rights activist Medgar Evers are shameful examples. Only in 1994, when the political climate had dramatically changed, was Beckwith convicted in a third trial.

Jury nullification is also cited as a factor in the acquittal of police officers who use excessive force. Even when the violence is videotaped, juries are flagrantly reluctant to apply the law to on-duty officers as they would apply it to the average citizen. In short whether a jury likes a defendant can easily determine a verdict.

Nevertheless it is often claimed that nullification results in justice more often than not. In his essay “The Jury: Defender or Oppressor,” contemporary libertarian Michael E. Coughlin described how effective jury nullification could be: “During the 19th century in England there were some 230 capital crimes, that is crimes which would result in capital punishment for the convicted. Because juries continually refused to convict many of the people charged with capital crimes, believing the punishment was far out of proportion to the crime itself, Parliament eventually was forced to reduce the number of capital crimes in England.”

Unfortunately, no similar data on the rate of injustice from nullification seems to exist. The nineteenth-century libertarian Stephen Byington argued, however, that prejudice need not be widespread for it to disastrously impact the jury system. “If only ten per cent of the people were of this sort [unfair], more than sixty-four per cent of the juries would include one or more of these men to prevent a conviction.”

In short, jury nullification can occur for reasons good or ill, from ingrained justice or from inbred prejudice. Just laws may be as vulnerable to nullification as oppressive ones.

A Cost-Benefit Analysis
As a strategy trial by jury or nullification has advantages; for example, it creates no law. Moreover, it can counter the corruption of individuals. Spooner argued that jury power was required precisely because “justices are untrustworthy . . . exposed to bribes, are fond of authority, and are also the dependent and subservient creatures of the legislature.”

The strategy also has disadvantages. Consider one: The doctrine of the rule of law claims no one is above the law, which should be well-defined and stable rather than arbitrary. Thus the average person is protected from the shifting will of an elite and able to act with some degree of certainty about the future. But if one purpose of law is to provide a predictable society, jury nullification introduces a large element of uncertainty. To the extent laws are just and evenly applied, there would seem to be tension between nullification and a proper rule of law.

Trial by jury and jury nullification are championed as a grassroots strategy for freedom by some and decried as a form of “thug tyranny,” or majority rule, by others. Clearly, it can function as either. History demonstrates that juries can facilitate injustice.

Individuals are responsible only for their own actions, not for the misdeeds of others. But whenever possible, moral preference should be given to strategies like nonviolent resistance or education that do not carry the likelihood of harming innocent others. Not all strategies are equal; trial by jury may well be less equal than others.

Nevertheless, it is difficult to hold back applause at the mutiny in Montana, which demonstrated how the good will and common sense of a handful of fair people can defeat an unjust law.



Read more: http://www.fee.org/the_freeman/detail/jury-nullification-right-remedy-or-danger#ixzz2lfRNKTxz
 
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Jury nullification occurs in a trial when a jury acquits a defendant they believe to be guilty of the charges against them. This may occur when members of the jury disagree with the law the defendant has been charged with, or believe that the law should not be applied in that particular case. A jury can similarly convict a defendant on the ground of disagreement with an existing law, even if no law is broken (although in jurisdictions with double jeopardy rules, a conviction can be overturned on appeal, but an acquittal cannot).

A jury verdict contrary to the letter of the law pertains only to the particular case before it. If a pattern of acquittals develops, however, in response to repeated attempts to prosecute a statutory offence, this can have the de facto effect of invalidating the statute. A pattern of jury nullification may indicate public opposition to an unwanted legislative enactment.

In the past, it was feared that a single judge or panel of government officials may be unduly influenced to follow established legal practice, even when that practice had drifted from its origins. In most modern Western legal systems, however, juries are often instructed to serve only as "finders of facts", whose role it is to determine the veracity of the evidence presented, and the weight accorded to the evidence,[1] to apply that evidence to the law and reach a verdict, but not to decide what the law is. Similarly, juries are routinely cautioned by courts and some attorneys not to allow sympathy for a party or other affected persons to compromise the fair and dispassionate evaluation of evidence during the guilt phase of a trial. These instructions are criticized by advocates of jury nullification. Some commonly cited historical examples of jury nullification involve the refusal of American colonial juries to convict a defendant under English law.[2]

Juries have also refused to convict due to the perceived injustice of a law in general,[3] or the perceived injustice of the way the law is applied in particular cases.[4] There have also been cases where the juries have refused to convict due to their own prejudices such as the race of one of the parties in the case.[5]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification
 
I myself am very familiar with the system as I have been in it but I am not going back. Most important thing is just don't trust no one plain and simple. I have been with guys who were doing serious time because there best friend or family members set them up. Also, your girlfriend who you love so much who also knows everything there is going to come a day when you and that bitch break up and she spills the beans on everything ahahhaha
Bro's before Ho's. You're bro will die for you. Your bro will push you out the driver seat when both drunk getting pulled over by po po... You getting the shit kicked out of yourself by 5 bangers your bro will fight by your side, There are few and not many people who got your back.
Not THIS shit again. Seriously you guys? So, your bros will set you up, either to rob you themselves or for someone else to rob you, too. Personal experience. What's the word for them?

And how many wives are left minding the home and family while their husbands are sitting in jail? Never mind any of them.
 
Sorry SeaMaid, All my patients are former GF's except for the nursing home I take care of. My GFs testified for me in court and stood behind me at court. they are meant to be in the bro's list! I take it you did'nt talk to Cheryl, I was leaving you the opportunity for you to put up a very funny video of patients and myself to make fun of me and what I said. It was very awkward having all you're GF's and former GFs in the same hotel room before you trial. I was nervous enough already and had to deal with GF's also.... think about that SeaMaid, all my ladies stood behind me, even my x-wife, I must not be that bad.
 
Bro's before Ho's is a METAPHOR biker slang for loyal members, in some clubs chick can be members, some...

I'm not a club member but these guys came to court and put thier ass's on the line for me,,, given all Bro's a thumbs up.

Ho's are LADIES that snitched, plain and simple. And when a man loyalist partner snitches she quickly becomes a Ho,
 
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I'm familiar with biker slang and culture, it's not exactly positive for women. That whole bros before hos thing puts a hair across my ass. I don't like that attitude any more than I like it when women bash on men just because they're men. An asshole is an asshole no matter what color it's been painted or what gender it's been assigned.

No club I know of allows women to be members, except maybe for the Christian clubs, or women-only clubs.

My point is that the sex of the person has no bearing on their morality or willingness to screw someone over in one way or another. I haven't experienced your legal problems myself (family members), but I have been attacked and robbed for this fucking plant. By men. Fully grown men, in fact.
 
Jury nullification .[2]

pls Understand, I'm for getting the PROPER' MMJ instruction based' Jury nullification to the "correct" potential jurors. The ones with Red Cards. Hopefully with the proper investigation of your potential jurors list I could identify vocal MMJ activist that will persuade and dominate the other jurors in to your trial null.... I'm agreeing with ya Kolah, but reader DO NOT ATTEMPT jury null instruction to potential jurors W/O a crafty MMJ expert,, attorney faces scrunch up when you try to discuss this with them,,, Mind control of potential jurors thru media was never taught in Law skool,,,
 
I'm familiar with biker slang and culture, it's not exactly positive for women. That whole bros before hos thing puts a hair across my ass. I don't like that attitude any more than I like it when women bash on men just because they're men. An asshole is an asshole no matter what color it's been painted or what gender it's been assigned.

No club I know of allows women to be members, except maybe for the Christian clubs, or women-only clubs.

My point is that the sex of the person has no bearing on their morality or willingness to screw someone over in one way or another. I haven't experienced your legal problems myself (family members), but I have been attacked and robbed for this fucking plant. By men. Fully grown men, in fact.
That is why I apologized sincerely,,, I get carried away with mouth online, , but seaMaid, it strikse up GOOD controversial converstaion with agreement in the end,,, sorry, id take it back if I could , in fact I rather you delete my ignorance, but as you can tell if it we're not for you being offended I would have not given it another thought. And I bet you LADIES have those "stupid men" conversation also you just dont blurt it out online,, i was dumb.
 
At my trial my best bro came up to the jury one by one in the hall of the court house and went up to each and everyone of them and told them what would happen if I was guilty. Then told everyone including the jury cop, I'll be in room 204, my parol officers Office if anyone has problem with that,
THAT's a BRO!
now that's justice isn't it lino :oops:
 
I was more or less saying your BRO is a douche for his behavior of that sort to a jury.
 
now that's justice isn't it lino :oops:
That freind had 5 DUI's. We had to much party, He wouldn't let me drive us home. Cop lites came on and I pushed out of the seat and took a DUI. i beat it in court. The same nite a rival shot 22 cal shorts at his club, I cowered covering the ladies, and my Bro Jump in front of us and took 2 shots that didnt go thru his jacket for all of us. I give him my kidney or die for him.

Baba some of the douches you speak of have Loyalty, honor and bravery. In war those guys die often. The "douche" doesnt always live a long life to die in nursing home, but with what honor do they lay thier with a diaper wraped around their ass waiting to die. You can run with that crowd, my crowd stick together.
 
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threatening violence to a jury is not something I'd be proud of, but diff strokes for diff folks.
 
That freind had 5 DUI's. We had to much party, He wouldn't let me drive us home. Cop lites came on and I pushed out of the seat and took a DUI. i beat it in court. The same nite a rival shot 22 cal shorts at his club, I cowered covering the ladies, and my Bro Jump in front of us and took 2 shots that didnt go thru his jacket for all of us. I give him my kidney or die for him.

Baba some of the douches you speak of have Loyalty, honor and bravery. In war those guys die often. The "douche" doesnt always live a long life to die in nursing home, but with what honor do they lay thier with a diaper wraped around their ass waiting to die. You can run with that crowd, my crowd stick together.
threatening jurors to vote a certain way has something to do with nursing homes? lol Have a great day lino!
 
threatening violence to a jury is not something I'd be proud of, but diff strokes for diff folks.
Just so ya know what he said , just a couple of comments, He said to One of jury members, you're my cousin and the Bailiff is our cousin so WTF you doing on this jury, guess what happens to both of you if Lino guilty!

Another juror, you might learn to control your Ol lady and see to it that this is a fair trial your wife keeps calling me, look here is her text and calls to me.

oH, he went down the line with threats that would have blown my case wide open, YOU GOT TO LOVE SMALL TOWN AMERICA, he walked down the hall and blurted out to his cousin's, juror and bailiff, tell Kolomitz, the judge, something he doesnt know, tell him that his son is Lino MMJ patient and I know where MMJ is stashed in his house rite now, so he can come down and talk to me and parol officer about it rite now, Lino wants his shit back that you took from your son and it in Kolomitz safe rite now, it Purpalino, GO LOOK do your job and dont come xmas dinner unless you take care or Lino.... I got to go take a UA for my parol officer....
 
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