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I think paying $22 to grow over half lb is cheap. That would cost me $2000 at the store and wouldn't be as good. My buds never get sprayed with anything ever.
I think paying $22 to grow over half lb is cheap. That would cost me $2000 at the store and wouldn't be as good. My buds never get sprayed with anything ever.Any Canadians here have good suggestions? I have FFOF for my fist grow and Idk if I want to pay this price every time. Or maybe i'll mix with something.
I get 2cuft bag of coco loco and grow 4. It's $18 + $4 for amendments- and grows at least a half pound in 4 months with 2- 150w lights. imo that's cheap.You use FF? It's a little pricey here I pay $25 for the bag. The bag is currently 3/4 empty with being used on 2 plants.
No amendments just the GH flora series. I do notice it weak in nutes and I'll add 1/4 -1/4 - 1/4 ml per gal after 2 weeks then start upping it as they grow. I like it because of the amount perlite , vermiculite and it buffers the ph very well much better than ProMix imo.Ill try to answer, i could be way off but i started out using it for this reason as it was explained to me back then and i still use the FF coco loco for seedlings: FFOF has nutes in it already and should get you through Veg depending on how long you Veg. FFSF (Strawberry Fields) has nutes in it to get you through flower (Supposedly). So my understanding is that the whole grow if you use FFOF & FFSF you should not need to add anything except water. So if your in a 3 gal or 5 gal its not realy too bad price wise as you just buy water. Now i think they have a bag for growing from seed through flower too.
Do you need to add any nutes or other amendment's to yours?
I've bought some of that for our house plants and tried using it for clones/cuttings thinking it may be better than the VPW 30 for starting. I found it too dense and cuttings didn't grow at all they died and the stem rotted. I just stick my cuttings into the dirt with root hormone and I get most of them to grow. Not so with that potting mix. That was my only attempt with it and it may work fine for growing in but I didn't buy any more.This is what's in my pots currently.
Bought from Dollarama in Ontario for 10l for 2 bucks
I started off with Big Rootz Soil which is a peat base with some coco. But like everyone else its a bit tough right now to pay 50 dollars a bag for soil... Now I am running a mix of like 6 different products including FFOF. I found that most peat based products are similar, But I would imagine that people like the Fox Farms stuff especially oceans finest because it comes with some goodies not found in typical store bought soil. i.e: seabird or bat guano, dolomite ( not sure if thats FF or Big Rootz) Mychorizae and some other stuff. So far I have found only the more "premium soils" come with the amendments that I like but I cannot purchase them local. I have picked up a few bags of the peat based stuff over the weeks (Promix and some no nutrient organic bs from lowes) and have found that the consistency is also a bit different compared to some of the "good "stuff. I wound up amending the store bought stuff with vermiculite, great white mychorizae, an extra brick of coco shells, and a bit of limestone to get it where i wanted it.. That said I wound up saving absoloutely no money, and probably wound up with something similar to what I would of gotten from FF in the first place. But hey, I saved that shipping charge :/Maybe my method of informing others of viable options is different than yours. I don't really care why you come here. Why do you care why I come here? Is doing your thang informing others what you'd like to don't like to read here. Do you have list of questions I should avoid so not offend your eye's? Did my question strike a nerve? I thought it was to each their own? Just ignore me that will solve your problem.
If there is a dam good reason to use it then I'd like to know. I'm here to learn what others do and why they do what they do.
Thanks, there ya go an explanation that works. I still think its habit and peer pressure, I see so many starting off with the FFOF believing if they use the top of the line stuff they won't have issues. Not so though and I believe that the starter fluid & over watering causes more problems than an inert media for new growers. You get what you add and nothing else. Yes weak initially but very very light feeding is all that's required.This is really an apples to oranges debate I think. Stuff like promix is cheaper but requires feeding pretty much immediately. FFOF has enough food to grow for a month. That's a fair bit of nutrients saved and that adds up. That said FFOF is way overpriced in Canada and on the internet, and I can see where you are coming from Pipecarver. I couldnt justify the price either and dont like the lack of control I'd have growing with it either. But the price gap is much smaller in the US and other places, and it has earned a reputation among pot growers.
Promix, or the mix Pipecarver has is for soiless hydroponic growing. FFOF is a potting soil mix (albeit made with a soiless mix as a base) with organic amendments and added nutrients, designed to be used as a water only, sort of "supersoil" type of potting mix. They're two different types of media altogether.
I would class things in terms of; Potting soil mixes like FFHF or OF, or super soil etc.
Soiless hydroponics, growing media with a CEC and buffers, but no nutrient value like Promix, proterra, Coco, etc..
Then substrate based inert hydroponics like rockwool, hydroton etc. Finally Straight water based like DWC or aero.
The lightbulb really went on for me lately when I realized $40 worth of coco and $16 worth of fabric pots will grow me the same crop as $150 worth of rockwool. That's a much closer comparison than promix vs FFOF.
Can you explain how to add dry amendments to the Soil. Do you just too dress with the amendments then Water? Mix in the soil? And what kind of dry amendments do you use? Thanks.
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Bag and a half per plant? How big are your pots man!Thanks, there ya go an explanation that works. I still think its habit and peer pressure, I see so many starting off with the FFOF believing if they use the top of the line stuff they won't have issues. Not so though and I believe that the starter fluid & over watering causes more problems than an inert media for new growers. You get what you add and nothing else. Yes weak initially but very very light feeding is all that's required.
@ Dirtbag Even with the Us dollar consideration if they can get FFOF at $14 a bag I still need a bag and a half a plant. with 25 plants that's still $525 Usa compared to a bag of Promix at $20 Usa for 20 - 25 plants and the stuff I use is even less.
I knew it would be blasphemy to knock FF soil with the religious fervor associated with it here but there are alternatives that can be used with success. That was really my only reason for this thread to get people talking about alternatives to the expensive FFOF.
The bags I see locally here in the garden center are $24.95 per bag and 1 bag won't do it in a 3 gallon pot. They look like they'd do about 3/4 pot. so maybe my 1.5 was off a bit but the point is the same.Bag and a half per plant? How big are your pots man!
Nevermind, I worked it out to 15 gallon pots. each bag of FFOF has about 9 ish gallons.
Man, 1 gal pots of coco looks better every day! lol
I mentioned it before but I guess it got lost that the 1.5 cubic foot ffof bag fills 9 to 12 three gallon pots (with one third volume added perlite)The bags I see locally here in the garden center are $24.95 per bag and 1 bag won't do it in a 3 gallon pot. They look like they'd do about 3/4 pot. so maybe my 1.5 was off a bit but the point is the same.
Even if by chance they filled the pot that's still $30 pot taxes in per plant Cdn. Compared to my less than a $1 per pot that stuff would need to be growing monsters from seed to harvest in a month for me to even consider using it....
.. I have no doubt its a good product but the expense turns me off. Why drive a Rolls Royce to go shopping at the mall when a PT Cruiser will get you there and back safely? to look good? to show off your status? to show you got more money to waste?
I liked my PT and I shouldn't have updated.
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