Thanks all for the oppinions, i know and understand quite a few of the basics, and am not trying to "piss people off" im askig for oppinions, and i thank anybody willing to give me theirs, like i said in my post any info is gold so please dont b rude. Im just asking some questions, clones are not available to me or i would be starting with them, ideally i would like a hydro set up, that can fit in a closet, im working with about 8ft x 4ft. I have been reading TONS of posts and writing most of it in my notebook. Once again, just looking for anybody who is WILLING to give me GROW advice. I understand you should crawl before walk, and i will be taking ALL info into consideration.