Foliar Feeding and Leaf pH

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Made a dumb ass outta myself so I figur I needed to be learned....

So what is the best pH for foliar sprays and what are the affects of not maintaining proper "leaf pH"?

what i read so far says nothing about an optimum pH
just how to stick a probe in a plants ass:D





Quite a read:sleepy but gets to it
 
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Interesting topic.

As you say, I am yet to find any definite info on this. And I find that there seams to be not much difference if any at all that I could notice between 6 and 7 ph.

I test the pH on Canadian Express Clone start foliar, and this is 6.5. and meant for direct application.
 
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Thanks
I don't pH my water for foliar feeding, solid 7.4, and have great success
I think its a dead end...
 
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foliar spraying

i just copied this from dutchmaster ,,,,

WHAT IS FOLIAR FEEDING?
Foliar Feeding is the application or feeding of a plant a liquid plant nutrient or nutrient additive through the leaves instead of via the roots. Foliar spraying was first proven to work by the notable plant researcher Dr H.B. Tukey. Their early experiments used radio labelled phosphorus and potassium to view the uptake and transport of these ions by the leaves and their transport around the plant. This early work showed that foliar spraying had great potential as an additional feeding program to allow for increased growth rates and development of plants.

WHY SHOULD WE FOLIAR FEED?
If we think of a plant as a city, then the leaves would be the manufacturing centres of that city. Almost everything a plant requires to grow and develop is manufactured in the leaves. Hormones, metabolites, proteins amino acids - the list goes on and they are all manufactured in specialized cells contained within the plants leaves. Sunlight is the main catalyst for this as everything begins with a photon of light received from the sun or globe. The roots, too, produce some hormones but it is insignificant compared to what is produced in the leaves. If we look at a plant in this way we can see that the best opportunity to increase the plant’s production capacity, and hence our yield, is to go direct to the factories themselves, the leaves. Foliar spraying is the only practical way that most of these little leaf based factories can be accelerated due to 2 primary factors;

1. The presence of a specialized root structure called the Casparian Strip. This strip is located inside each and every root and acts as a specialized barrier that blocks the uptake of ALL elements or compounds except simple sugars and regular plant nutrients like Nitrogen and Potassium etc. Numerous studies conducted by Dutch Master, at the University of British Columbia, has proven that plants cannot uptake things like amino acids and complex carbohydrates etc, through their roots. Root based supplements, or growth and flowering stimulants, based on these things can never really work, unless they are foliar fed, because, quite simply, they are never taken up by the plants roots!
2. The Negative Feedback Loop System. Even if some elements are taken up by the roots, such as hormones etc, this feedback loop stops almost all of these additives from ever working. It does so by detecting the basic hormones etc contained in these performance additives and correspondingly slowing, or completely stopping, the plants own internal production of these compounds to compensate and keep everything in balance – almost like a plant veto! However, foliar feeding, when used in conjunction with a delivery agent, such as Penetrator Gold, defeats this system easily by temporarily and suddenly flooding the plants negative feedback loop system, overwhelming it and allowing for a temporary increase in growth and development. It is by this systematic and periodic flooding of the plants metabolic systems that we can increase overall growth and development when using foliar feeding and of course obtain that maximum yield!

WHAT SHOULD I FOLIAR FEED?
Foliar feeding should never be used as a sole source of plant nutrition, but rather, a good foliar program supports the plant via the foliar application of carefully selected plant additives such as Liquid Light that accelerate or enhance the action of one or more of the plants metabolic subsystems, in this case speeding up the plants use of light itself!
To get the best out of foliar feeding you must apply something that directly affects one of the many production pathways inside the leaf. Using our Liquid Light as an example again – you can see we have directly increased the production pathway associated with light energy conversion into plant energy ( sugar, carbon etc ) also known as photosynthesis. Other things that can be successfully used are a 1/3 strength micronutrient solution ( 3 part nutrients ) or a 1/3 strength grow Part B ( for 2 part nutrients ). This can quickly correct any micronutrient deficiencies but remember to use a delivery agent, ie Penetrator Gold, with any foliar application for best results.

I’ve tried Foliar Feeding before but it didn’t work like it was supposed to – what can I do?

For any foliar program to be completely effective in gaining that maximum yield, you must be able to deliver your specialized plant stimulants etc inside the leaf of your plant. Now this is not as easy as it sounds because you first have to get past the protective waxy layer that surrounds every leaf. Once past this layer you must then get it inside the cells where all the action is taking place. This is not as simple as just “madly” spraying your leaves with plant stimulants, as most of what you apply to the leaves will never be absorbed. For many years it was believed that by allowing a solution to remain in contact with the leaf surface for an extended period of time, the effective absorption of that solution would take place through tiny openings in the leafs surface called the stomata.
The plant uses their stomata to absorb and exchange gases (CO2, Oxygen) and to regulate water flow (transpiration). Modern research now shows that only a tiny portion of what you spray can actually get inside the leaf surface via the stomata. In fact, typically less than 10% of the stomata uptake any plant nutrients.

This is then further compounded by the fact that even once taken up, most of the supplied material is immobilized on the inner side of the leaf surface by ion exchange membranes. This certainly explains the very hit and miss effects of traditional foliar spraying when trying to get that maximum yield with plant stimulants. The only way to effectively deliver large amounts of specialized elements inside the leaves of your plant is to use Dutch Master Penetrator Gold, a very new type of product known as a “Delivery Agent”. This is not to be confused with a wetting agent. Dutch Master Penetrator Gold is the only delivery agent available and the only way to make foliar spraying truly work, by delivering all the available plant stimulants ie, grow and flowering boosters / flowering stimulants.
The difference between a wetting agent and a delivery agent is very simple and very important. A wetting agent is designed to make water wetter, so that it sits more evenly over the leaf and extends the contact area and time when applied to a leaf.

A delivery agent (Dutch Master Penetrator Gold) is primarily designed to actively deliver ( translocate ) plant stimulants from the outside of the leaf surface to the inside, past the ion exchange membranes and directly to the cells where they are needed for a maximum yield. A delivery agent is designed to do this independently of the stomatal openings in the leaves. What you have, with foliar spraying Dutch Master Penetrator Gold and plant stimulants, is a unique opportunity to profoundly affect the development and growth patterns of your plant. Make sure you ask for Penetrator Gold, a delivery agent and not a wetting agent if you want to be able to maximize the results from a specialized foliar spraying program.

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yea but what pH does the "leaf" like the most during foliar feeding and at other times?
 
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You should get a cardy ph meter, a tool I use a lot. JK
 
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Final said:
what i read so far says nothing about an optimum pH
just how to stick a probe in a plants ass

Huh?

Real studies never tell you "optimum" they tell you what happens over the range of subjects during the course of the study.

Eitherway, great links dude - but one can draw some conclusions about the "optimum" pH of a foliar spray -

The nuts and bolts of the study aren't, IMO, terribly applicable to an indoor herb grow, but right in the abstract:

"The more alkaline the pH of the foliar spray, the lower the gs and/or leaf growth rate subsequently measured"
 
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