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Hb 15 - 1267 (medical Usage On Probation And Parole)

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Hb 15 - 1267 (medical Usage On Probation And Parole)

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GrowGod said:
I was gonna say something but I thought no way did he just say that. Haha ..:cigar:
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#26
MrBelvedere said:
Lol
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She's got her PO meeting today too..... The bitch (normally my sweetheart but she's been a bitch tonight,...) So the bitch got me 12 extra plants to take care of though, and her Po can't say shit about my 2nd bedroom anymore.

Let's just hope I can get through a few harvests with her, so she'll stay with me for my greenthumb..... Still a bitch though. For now. Women.
 
#27
I've done the Marinol dance with the state and it's a pain in the ass..they basically tell you that your test can not excede 12-15 nanograms or they will violate you, there is also another test that can tell the difference between Marinol and cannabis in your system, its expensive so they don't use it but it does exist.. Marinol cost about $22 per pill and your script has to be current so if your really trying to make it look official your in for about $600 a month and most doctors will not write a large maintainence for like 60 or 90 days only small 15-30 pill scripts, I shopped it around and thats pretty much what I found plus most pharmacies do not stock it so it ends up being a pain in the ass...It was way easier for me to just quit smoking and tow the line instead of risking getting popped on some silly technicality.

Don't get me wrong, I'm still going to ask and see what they say next time I'm in, now that the state law has actually changed
 
#28
Im gonna ask too TK. i have been reading about the marinol dance too, its a funny one. and the way you tell it, an expensive one at that.
It does say in the law, with there permission, so all they have to do is say "no".
And that would be an easy thing to do if your a PO.
 
#29
Sorry, no trolling here.

I'd like to add that I didn't mention marinol for a reason. That's an actual real prescription approved by the FDA, not a schedule one controlled substance.

The legislation passed was to treat pot like alcohol. If charges are brought against you or me for, let's say a DUI, most likely a condition of release or pretrial supervision or whatever they are calling it is going to be that you abstain from that substance, and in my experience that includes all substances. A friend was not allowed to consume alcohol after he got popped for a cultivation charge, and was required to take substance abuse counseling and level 2 treatment, despite not ever having consumed alcohol.

Like ubi said above, patients with obvious need would be allowed a prescription, but that's not what I posted.

Do you think that every person under supervision on parole or probation shouldn't have any restrictions on what they put into their bodies?

I don't think that DUI offenders should be allowed to consume alcohol while on probation, and I feel that it's hypocritical to have a different view when you replace the work alcohol with cannabis. I had to start taking 5 prescriptions when I was on probation because I couldn't medicate, which was expensive. Those medications went away with court supervision.

Now that you know I am not trolling, would you care to address either of my posts? I am not looking for an argument but I am curious because 'royal rotfl' doesn't mean anything to me. Care to elaborate? I'll be in the corner.
 
#30
LocalGrowGuy said:
That's actually the precise issue that I am addressing.

I guess I should include a 'as of 5/10/2015' note. I think I am old at 35ish, but I don't think those who are 'in the system' should be allowed to consume cannabis on a medical or recreational basis. I think there would be too many 'what if' arguments from the nay-sayers, and the slippery slopers and everyone else who hates the evil devil weed. I also think that in a situation where guilt is found or a plea agreement reached, that should have an effect and penalize those who would use the medical excuse to use. I don't see how that can be enforced, so I don't see how it would even come to the table.

Respectfully, I disagree, and the issue I am trying to bring to light is the fact that you are not allowed to break the law while on parole or probation. Under no circumstances would you be allowed to consume a substance that is listed as a controlled substance, federal or otherwise, and obviously pot in particular. In Colorado, there is no prescription, so there is no medical protections for patients. The two issues I have seen and heard from marijuana consumers under supervision is that a PO does not have the authority to tell a patient what prescriptions can and can not be taken. That is not an issue because your red card is not a prescription, which would have to be approved by the FDA, and that won't ever happen. The other issue is the one you state, that being under state supervision in Colorado and having a marijuana recommendation should NOT be cause to violate someone's probation or parole. Just to be clear, this is your view, correct? Please let me know if I am getting any details wrong. I think we should keep this as a pot issue, not a prescription narcotic issue because I believe those are two situations handled differently.

Assuming that we are on the same page so far, whenever anyone is approved or ordered probation or parole, is not allowed to break the law. The defendant must remain law-abiding. Here is the question that I am seeking an answer on, or clarification:

Assuming that the consumption of cannabis is illegal at the federal level, a parolee or probationer would not be allowed to consume marijuana on a medical basis, and would be in violation of their probation or parole.

I want to note that I agree with you, that the state cops don't have the authority to enforce federal law. However, if a defendant has a UA that shows positive for marijuana, I do not think the person supervising or the judge cares about enforcing any law that may or may not have been broken. The way I interpret it, is that the state is not trying to enforce anything, no one is bringing additional charges, etc. I come back to the question of compliance. Every month or meeting with a probation or parole officer, defendants or those in the system must attest that they are not knowingly breaking any laws. The simple existence of a dirty UA constitutes, in my opinion, a violation of every parole or probation order that I have seen. We can agree to disagree, but that's my interpretation. I wish it weren't so complex, but I do not see any way around the 'recommendation vs Rx' argument or attesting that you are not breaking any state or federal laws. I believe that a Colorado State Probation Officer can rightfully violate a defendant's parole or probation for a hot UA, regardless of state law. Again, I don't think state enforcement of federal law is in question, the issue lies in the fine print for each county's probation or parole departments. I can only relate my own experience and I have never met anyone who, after 1/1/14, was explicitly given permission to use marijuana.

Although my opinion doesn't jive with many others here, these problems, whether or not they are ignored by the Colorado Consuming Public, are not going away.

Apologies for the novel.
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Respectfully, go fuck yourself.
 
#31
Texas Kid said:
This is the response I got from my attorney

"The implementation of the new law is unclear. I would contact your PO and ask them the questions about when and under what circumstances you can use MM"
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I would hire a new attorney. Like your PO is going to have a favorable interpretation? C'mon lol.
 
#32
In Washington the DOC PO doesn't care about marijuana use so long as there aren't other illicit drugs in the system. A friend of mine got out last fall, has to have a blow and go car, goes to weekly class, gets UA and all was ok....until she smoked some meth. The PO then said she had to be clean of everything and no marijuana for a couple months or so.
 
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StickyBiz said:
In Washington the DOC PO doesn't care about marijuana use so long as there aren't other illicit drugs in the system. A friend of mine got out last fall, has to have a blow and go car, goes to weekly class, gets UA and all was ok....until she smoked some meth. The PO then said she had to be clean of everything and no marijuana for a couple months or so.
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well lets hope my PO feels the same way washington PO's do. I'll find out on june 9th if my PO's okay with it. I have pissed clean for quite awhile already. so hopefully she'll be understanding that i have self control. and can quit if need if be. Just tired of my pain from muscle spasms that i have had since i was 13. (now 32) The doc's gave me muscle relaxers then, and I didnt like those pills.:confused: That was just about the same time i found out about THC. And so the self medicating began. ;). almost 20 years now. amazing how time flies.
 
#34
ubi, I hope your PO allows you to use cannabis. Just be careful as they can take it away and that really is rough according to my friend. She was using about three oz a month for six months and had to stop cold turkey.
 
#35
I haven't smoked or drank in over 2 years now, so its no big deal to me but it would be nice to start smoking again a little before I'm done with these jokers.

I have a pile of attorneys at the ready GTB and you obviously don't know how the system actually works..once your in the adult probation system the only one that has anything to say about your conditions is your PO and the advisory board assigned to your case and because you have already voluntarily entered a plea in your case it doesn't really matter what the law changes to..your still at their mercy
 
#36
i too have been completely sober, for almost 6 months now. Just sux. Dont like dealing with pain tho. Being at the mercy of a PO is no joy ride. The constant how are you doing blah blah. Like they really care. Most PO s have a large case load and under the, each probationer is supposed to be reforming crap. I try to bring a good attitude every time we meet. And by then end of my meeting the scowl on her face has changed to a smile. So hopefully she will have mercy on my reforming ass.
 
#37
So..... My girlfriend went into her PO meeting, and gave her PO her meeting schrdule and her red card documents.
Her po laughed and said, ok I'm glad you have that. Business as usual, clean UAs, community service, etc.
She's still smoking though. I'll keep you all posted on whether or not she goes to jail. Her Po hasn't called about dirty UAs so she might be giving her a chance to see if she'll keep drinking or fuck up worse.. oh well, I'll let yall know on whether or not she goes to jail.
 
#39
I think the drug testing depends on the testing agency. When RMOMS was supervising cases it was simple to pass UA's while hot, Intervention and NIC are much more strict about dropping a sample. I also think it depends on the PO as well as the attitude of the person under supervision.

TK is right, it's not worth the risk. I had several red-card people in my class who chose to continue using MMJ, and they were kicked out and their probation revoked. The testing agency doesn't decide the rules, the supervising agency/probation does. It's expensive and inconvenient, but I just went back on my scripts which was also an issue with my PO. She said probationers are not allowed to consume any mind-altering substance, related to the original charge or not.

narley, the rules are always different for girls, so keep that in mind.
 
#40
narleyharley-
So if the PO laughed, that tells me that they obviously dont care about the new LAW.
oh well. I'm still gonna try anyway, I will just be less surprised if they say "no". They are governed by the state so i guess if there is a state regulation of probation board, maybe bringing it to their attention is what is needed.
with there only being 114000 medical patients in the state (2014)
and there being about 89000 probation and parolee's (2011) (most recent total i could find)
if every probation and parolee had a card that is still only 1.62% of the
state population.(5.5mil) wiki
And who is it hurting.... no one.

localgrowguy- mind altering huh. so if you have a medical conditon your not allow to use your med's. That PO is ridiculous. Even if its not related to charge. wow.
 
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