Help me understand watering my plants

[Eledin]

Just found a volunteer in the garden

Looks happier than hell! A little shade, low humidity, looking sweet. High humidity would probably be a different story. Just like humans!

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Just grew by itself, I didn't even plan it. Watered a few times with the hose.

As people pointed out that story would be different if it was a humid climate, besides is growing next to a garden with tons of compostable material and rich soil, that not what I would call the middle of the forest. Also, he has a humidity and temperature meter right besides her, and this doesnt happen often. Now everyone acting here like proper weed is grown constantly by not paying attention to it its funny if you ask me. Meanwhile people are doing quite the contrary buying or producing their own worm castings and compost, I wonder why so much effort if you just need to put the seed in the soil and wait...

 

[Eledin]

Me encanta Espana. Visite a todos los cuidades majores pero me encante el sur de Espana mas que nada. Claro, Barcelona, Madrid, Valencia, Seville son buen interesante pero me encante mas el campo.

I've seen this happen so many times but some people just gotta feel the pain before they learn. Good Luck!

Wow, nice spanish, I wasnt expecting it. Yo soy del norte de Cataluña, has visto mas España que yo! Yo solo he estado en Barcelona y Jaen de ciudades grandes. Im stubborn as a mule and I still think that telling people to not care about the ph when you dont even know how they are growing and what they are using is not ideal tho! You wont change my mind on that :P when I saw he was using ph perfect I told him he was safe, it would be different if he was growing with another nute and you know that! I dont care that you guys are salty because the new boy is contradicting you! You know, I know, and everyone knows that telling a new grower to just not worry about the ph because he has a substrate with dolomite lime, azomite, leonardite or whatever ph buffer it has is not ideal, you dont know how the nutes are altering the ph of the water because you dont even know what he is putting in the water! Im stubborn but open minded at the same time. I just cant agree with you when everything I know goes against that, I had ph problems in the past with good substrate and even adding extra azomite and dolomite myself, I might be new in the forum but Im not new to growing and I know that you guys know exactly what mix to use for your soil to not have to care about phing your water, but a newgrower? Nah.

 

[Eledin]

I must also add that Guerrilla grows are very popular in spain not only in middle and south america and I can tell you right now, when the police gets them, they are not the best looking plants around, and thats as much plant and forget as you can get, they still check on them of course because who would just plant a seed and forget about it and not touch anything for months but they are not experts, just organized drug dealers looking for cheap weed to produce and sell.

 

[Mikedin]

It’s mostly knowing what you’re growing in and how the plants will react with it, First run, build experience with the medium, see what the plants tell you, TAKE NOTES (cannabis isint shy about showing when she dosent like something we all know that one haha) I do not adjust the PH of my water but I do check it from time to time to see if I’m getting any irregular swings from the tap.

I wouldn’t expect to have a perfect run my first time with a new medium, but also why when I try new mediums I do one plant in it and see how it compares to what I I’m using in my other plants. knowing that info will help on the full run.

Outdoors, Everything the plant needs to grow really is in the soil, alot of the time the issue is the balance, like feeding cal-mag when you’re already adding epsom salt,, PH can have an effect on uptake but imo 99% of neut lockouts are grower induced, trying to push them too hard or not knowing what there mixing, but outdoors like you said, some locations have higher mineral contents temps, RH, light intensity, haze, smog depending on rural or urban, just different environments all together. My vegetable garden for example is 100% organic dark leaf compost from the start triple layer cardboard under 8” of compost to start the process, of killing off any weeds and grass, I add no fertilizers ever, I run it as a permaculture garden, plant matter that is excess at the end of the season is composted and next summer returned to the garden , and we can’t even keep up. Neighbors ask why my garden is fluroushing when theirs look like there struggling to start.

Feed the soil, the soil feeds the microbes, and the microbes feed the plants, One of the reasons organic grows are getting so popular is the ease of growing it in addition to adding nothing to your flower except natural amendments the plant could find in nature on its own, we just measure more precisely when feeding is all. Maybe it’s the vegetable grower in me but find what works for you and go with it! But this all circles back to my first statement it’s all about what your base medium was to begin with.

Here’s daily to semi daily harvests out of the garden Last summer just water straight from the hose to the sprinklers, with only the compost they where started in

 

[Eledin]

It’s mostly knowing what you’re growing in and how the plants will react with it, First run, build experience with the medium, see what the plants tell you, TAKE NOTES (cannabis isint shy about showing when she dosent like something we all know that one haha) I do not adjust the PH of my water but I do check it from time to time to see if I’m getting any irregular swings from the tap.

I wouldn’t expect to have a perfect run my first time with a new medium, but also why when I try new mediums I do one plant in it and see how it compares to what I I’m using in my other plants. knowing that info will help on the full run.

Outdoors, Everything the plant needs to grow really is in the soil, alot of the time the issue is the balance, like feeding cal-mag when you’re already adding epsom salt,, PH can have an effect on uptake but imo 99% of neut lockouts are grower induced, trying to push them too hard or not knowing what there mixing, but outdoors like you said, some locations have higher mineral contents temps, RH, light intensity, haze, smog depending on rural or urban, just different environments all together. My vegetable garden for example is 100% organic dark leaf compost from the start triple layer cardboard under 8” of compost to start the process, of killing off any weeds and grass, I add no fertilizers ever, I run it as a permaculture garden, plant matter that is excess at the end of the season is composted and next summer returned to the garden , and we can’t even keep up. Neighbors ask why my garden is fluroushing when theirs look like there struggling to start.

Feed the soil, the soil feeds the microbes, and the microbes feed the plants, One of the reasons organic grows are getting so popular is the ease of growing it in addition to adding nothing to your flower except natural amendments the plant could find in nature on its own, we just measure more precisely when feeding is all. Maybe it’s the vegetable grower in me but find what works for you and go with it! But this all circles back to my first statement it’s all about what your base medium was to begin with.

Here’s daily to semi daily harvests out of the garden Last summer just water straight from the hose to the sprinklers, with only the compost they where started in

Beatiful garden and very well put together explanation, I cant agree more with everything you said, growing from bottled nutrients is a whole different story than growing outdoors organic, specially if youre using your own compost or super soil mixture which is what you should do outdoors of course!. And to think that all you needed to do is plant the seed and forget about it! Hahaha, playfully sarcastic for the other guys who didnt take well what I said : P

 

[Mikedin]

Beatiful garden and very well put together explanation, I cant agree more with everything you said, growing from bottled nutrients is a whole different story than growing outdoors organic, specially if youre using your own compost or super soil mixture which is what you should do outdoors of course!. And to think that all you needed to do is plant the seed and forget about it! Hahaha, playfully sarcastic for the other guys who didnt take well what I said : P

I think they where more saying yes the PH has an effect, but only if your soil is not balanced properly. Besides barebones potting soil etc most soils come with a PH buffer added, problem is the first time they water with PH down / up it’ll throw it off and you’ll have to chase the Ph the rest of the grow, like I believe Nick said earlier, once you use it you have to continue to, That’s what he was getting at about needing to know the soil type etc, was it potting soil, supersoil, peat moss.

The best part about the farm is getting all the knowledge of a completed grow, I go back and read old grow logs all the time, its interesting to me what made people come to their conclusion of why something needs to be done, and then you get to see the result of that change without having to experience it over the course of months

 

[Eledin]

I think they where more saying yes the PH has an effect, but only if your soil is not balanced properly. Besides barebones potting soil etc most soils come with a PH buffer added, problem is the first time they water with PH down / up it’ll throw it off and you’ll have to chase the Ph the rest of the grow, like I believe Nick said earlier, once you use it you have to continue to, That’s what he was getting at about needing to know the soil type etc, was it potting soil, supersoil, peat moss.

The best part about the farm is getting all the knowledge of a completed grow, I go back and read old grow logs all the time, its interesting to me what made people come to their conclusion of why something needs to be done, and then you get to see the result of that change without having to experience it over the course of months

Thats where we didnt agree, I have run into ph problems while using substrates with ph buffers and even putting more myself in the soil, the problem is that the nutes I was using somehow still made the runoff too acidic for late flowering as I said in one of my previous comments. And I also said that I wouldnt blindly trust any soil mix to have the same ph specially at the end of the grow. That has not been a problem since II started using organic AN but it was with other nutes. And I repeat, I did not use any ph up or down unless the nutes I was using had them in them and they didnt label it, which can be the case. I was using Special Nutrients, a cheap spanish brand that is not very specific with what they have in them, and many others do the same. I think its just different life experiences, maybe they never had a problem with the soil they were using and the method they were using but it certainly was for me with those freaking nutes, never go too cheap on your nutes is the moral of the story, but we didnt know which nutes he was using before they jumped to the conclussion that it wasnt necessary.

 

[growsince79]

As people pointed out that story would be different if it was a humid climate, besides is growing next to a garden with tons of compostable material and rich soil, that not what I would call the middle of the forest. Also, he has a humidity and temperature meter right besides her, and this doesnt happen often. Now everyone acting here like proper weed is grown constantly by not paying attention to it its funny if you ask me. Meanwhile people are doing quite the contrary buying or producing their own worm castings and compost, I wonder why so much effort if you just need to put the seed in the soil and wait...

I put the thermometer there to show the crazy conditions in which cannabis can survive. IMO 95% is genetic. Some of the worst grown weed I ever had was great. Some perfectly grown bids are garbage.

 

[Eledin]

I put the thermometer there to show the crazy conditions in which cannabis can survive. IMO 95% is genetic. Some of the worst grown weed I ever had was great. Some perfectly grown bids are garbage.

Yes definetely if the genetic is native to that area it will do fairly well on its own with enough rain but not too much humidity but thats not the norm, you still gotta know what youre doing because if you plant a matanuska which comes from Alaska in Spain you will have way more problems than feeding the right nutes with the right ph. Likewise if you plant an afgani strain in Alaska, it wont do very well most likely. I just didnt find fair that that picture was posted as "proof" because you still gotta know what youre doing or have a lucky strike. Also Im not a fan of water pouring in my buds when its raining, Ive seen some serious rot issues in the core of some plants, and if its a big one and you dont check regularly youre up for a big surprise during harvest. As for the terpenes, I guess they regenerate anyway and might even stimulate it to make more and more often.

 

[Mikedin]

Thats where we didnt agree, I have run into ph problems while using substrates with ph buffers and even putting more myself in the soil, the problem is that the nutes I was using somehow still made the runoff too acidic for late flowering as I said in one of my previous comments. And I also said that I wouldnt blindly trust any soil mix to have the same ph specially at the end of the grow. That has not been a problem since II started using organic AN but it was with other nutes. And I repeat, I did not use any ph up or down unless the nutes I was using had them in them and they didnt label it, which can be the case. I was using Special Nutrients, a cheap spanish brand that is not very specific with what they have in them, and many others do the same. I think its just different life experiences, maybe they never had a problem with the soil they were using and the method they were using but it certainly was for me with those freaking nutes, never go too cheap on your nutes is the moral of the story, but we didnt know which nutes he was using before they jumped to the conclussion that it wasnt necessary.

Over here in the states… pretty sure canada is the same, everything is wayyy over labeled, if it’s in it it says it lol and when I say over labeled I mean very stupidly I might add for example, look at this picture, what it says is bad enough… but ponder how one would read that message… on the inside flap of the box that would need to first be opened to read

Bottled neuts drop my PH like a rock, that’s the only reason I had to PH up my 7.3 from the tap would be near 5.3 by the time I added the neuts, glad I got away from them I have them all still as a backup but no plans to use it

Here’s a bag of FF lucky dog (peat moss) I’m using this for a single plant atm to test it out with the neuts I’m using

 

[Eledin]

Holy smokes, okay that makes me understand why you have it more under control, it might be overlabeled but I prefeer that 1 thousand times over "secret formula" bullshit. I wish we had FoxFarm in Spain, that might be the reason why we had different experiences with "similar" soils. Youre lucky if they tell you the ratios of perlite/coco/peat let alone what they put in them, most likely because they are not as good as FoxFarm products, I see a lot of youtubers that grow big and use their products.
EDIT:: The pizza box got me laughing hard xD

 

[Eledin]

That soil is more alive than myself , would you also add Bacilius and Trichoderma or is not necessary? I use bacillus thuringiensis on top of those, they kill larvae from gnats (which are a problem in summer, you think they are a pest outdoors? Give them an enclosed space in a spanish summer and watch hundreds take your grow) and caterpillars or any larvae that try to munch on the roots.

 

[Mikedin]

Holy smokes, okay that makes me understand why you have it more under control, it might be overlabeled but I prefeer that 1 thousand times over "secret formula" bullshit. I wish we had FoxFarm in Spain, that might be the reason why we had different experiences with "similar" soils. Youre lucky if they tell you the ratios of perlite/coco/peat let alone what they put in them, most likely because they are not as good as FoxFarm products, I see a lot of youtubers that grow big and use their products.
EDIT:: The pizza box got me laughing hard xD

Haha yeah that’s what I mean by over labeled, a lot of these soils even have an anticipated soil PH so a lot of the time.

 

[Eledin]

Haha yeah that’s what I mean by over labeled, a lot of these soils even have an anticipated soil PH so a lot of the time.

Thank you for educating me instead of making fun of me, I can see now why we disagree in this matter, that soil is top notch, no wonder you dont have to worry much. They tell us the ph, or an aproximation, but they are still pretty vague in general. Last one I used before swaping to AN was TOP CROP HEAVY MIX which comes with azomite as ph buffer, and still didnt do the trick, thats why I tried adding some myself, but honestly I just ended up buying a bottle of Ancient Earth organic which has leonardite and it replenishes it every time you water with nutes, thats they only way I can make sure my soil will mantain the ph I want in Spain... or making my own supersoil which Im starting to do.

 

[Mikedin]

That soil is more alive than myself , would you also add Bacilius and Trichoderma or is not necessary? I use bacillus thuringiensis on top of those, they kill larvae from gnats (which are a problem in summer, you think they are a pest outdoors? Give them an enclosed space in a spanish summer and watch hundreds take your grow) and caterpillars or any larvae that try to munch on the roots.

You can I’d you’d like, my brother in law does on his grows outdoors but I’m indoors atm, might throw one out back in the spring

 

[Mikedin]

Thank you for educating me instead of making fun of me, I can see now why we disagree in this matter, that soil is top notch, no wonder you dont have to worry much. They tell us the ph, or an aproximation, but they are still pretty vague in general. Last one I used before swaping to AN was TOP CROP HEAVY MIX which comes with azomite as ph buffer, and still didnt do the trick, thats why I tried adding some myself, but honestly I just ended up buying a bottle of Ancient Earth organic which has leonardite and it replenishes it every time you water with nutes, thats they only way I can make sure my soil will mantain the ph I want in Spain... or making my own supersoil which Im starting to do.

I agree with the homemade supersoil, it’s your best bet to know what you’re growing in, tons of good soils here, I can go to 3 stores locally and pick up any of the major brands. Coast of Maine, fox farms and ProMix, just luck I live in the middle of farm country I’m actually surrounded by vineyards within a 20 mile radius around my house due to the soil, very nice sandy loomy soil roots grow like crazy, I just prefer being able to move my plants lol

 

[PopPop67]

Hello my question is if my water ph is 7.0 -7.2 will that be bad for my plant... also if I use that water will I have to make sure soil ph stay below 6.7 or should I just use water with ph 6.2-6.7 to keep soil ph at needed levels
Please advise

I adjust my pH for everything I put to my plants. When I'm just watering I adjust the pH. When I feeding I adjust the pH after it's all mixed just before I apply.

Now do I need to every time probably not. But I have seen a big difference between when I adjusted pH all the time from when I only checked if I thought something was wrong. With a pH between 5.8 to 6.2 my plants stay happy. I also keep a eye on the pH of the run off after watering. PopPop

 

[GNick55]

Beatiful garden and very well put together explanation, I cant agree more with everything you said, growing from bottled nutrients is a whole different story than growing outdoors organic, specially if youre using your own compost or super soil mixture which is what you should do outdoors of course!. And to think that all you needed to do is plant the seed and forget about it! Hahaha, playfully sarcastic for the other guys who didnt take well what I said : P

because your wrong about that and i’m not gonna go on an endless discussion about it with you..
enjoy the farm..

 

[GNick55]

@helpmegrowbuds are you still here?..
sorry some people just have to try and pretend to know everything and go on and on and on..

 

[osowhom]

I use spring water from Walmart I check my pH but never had to adjust it my runoff is like 6.6 but the water is 7.1 if that makes sense organic soil promix