Highest Cut First Grow

HighestCut · Jan 21, 2020

First grow thread to get some help along the way. Here is my set up:

2x3x6’ grow tent
1500w King LED
6” fan
6” G Hydro filter
3 gal soft pot

white widow fem seed (non auto)

She sprouted Dec 23

HighestCut · Jan 21, 2020

Here are some pics from along the way

Dec 30
Roots coming out of peat pod

Jan 3

Jan 15

After this photo from Jan 16, things took a turn for the worse. The soil level was not to the top of the pot so I added soil.

Jan 21

She has looked like this for a couple of days. At first I thought she was thirsty so I watered. Now it seems like she is over watered. I’m not sure... leaves are dry and crispy. She didn’t peek up at all after water on Sunday. Haven’t watered her since...

Beachwalker · Jan 21, 2020

Over and under watering look similar, without more info I'd guess it's too dry, but tell what your medium is (*coco?) what your pH is and other information that could help

Also what changed on or just before the 16th when the plant took a turn for the worse? What did you add, take away or do that was different?

*if it's Coco you're going to need to water it differently than soil, I'm not a Coco grower but maybe some who are will be able to help, good luck

HighestCut · Jan 21, 2020

Soil is FFOF.

So far I have been watering incorrectly, just adding water without runoff. PH of water going in is 6.5 and PPM is 40, using RO water.

From now on I am going to water until run off.

Here is temp and humidity chart since last Thursday the 16th

Beachwalker · Jan 21, 2020

Opinions differ but I believe runoff in soil is not necessary every single time, but I don't want to add confusion

I just wrote about how to water for a correct wet/dry cycle for someone in the beach house this morning

drop by and check it out, and feel free to ask if you have any questions as I also use ffof and can probably help, good luck!

the beach house

Get a drill bit or small long round object. Push the item of choice down thru the soil away from the plant. Don’t want to mess with the main root. But about 4-5 inches away from stem. Then role in a circle to they get a little bit bigger. Rolling...

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Bmg1982 · Jan 21, 2020

Using any nutes? Haven't seen any mentioned. That FFOF is pretty hot from the jump, and doesn't require much as far as added nutrition.

It's possible your soil is probably running low on fuel considering your plants are now 3 weeks old. Knowing you're running RO, you will definitely require cal/mag.

HighestCut · Jan 21, 2020

I have not fed with any nutes yet... just water. When I planted the seedling I planted it deep, buried the whole stem and just left the leaves up top. Pot wasn’t completely full of soil and then after watering it compacted a little, so I added more soil, it covered up more of the stem and not long after that it started looking super droopy. The leaves feel very dry.

Beachwalker · Jan 21, 2020

HighestCut said:
I have not fed with any nutes yet... just water. When I planted the seedling I planted it deep, buried the whole stem and just left the leaves up top. Pot wasn’t completely full of soil and then after watering it compacted a little, so I added more soil, it covered up more of the stem and not long after that it started looking super droopy. The leaves feel very dry.

I want to say it sounds (and looks a little bit) over watered but all your pictures look bone dry except one so IDK yet

I will add that most of us who use ffof add about 25 - 30% perlite to the mix and it helps in keeping it light, not compact and not staying wet too long, hope this helps

HighestCut · Jan 21, 2020

I will add perlite to the list for the next grow, too late for that now correct?

when I get home I’ll pick up the pot to see if it feels heavy or light. Last water was Sunday night.

Should I just hold tight and see if she perks up?

HighestCut · Jan 21, 2020

So the pot is not super light, there is still water in there. When I use my finger to check the moisture it is spotty, some areas dry, some wet.
Here are pictures:

She is on day 30, everything had been going so well up to this point!!

CosmoGrows · Jan 22, 2020

We have similar first grows. im Only on my second grow myself.
I had 2x4 and eventually moved into a 4x4. But started with a kingled 1000w.
You definitely have a better setup, less area to cover with a better light.

I had similiar issues, which, im infact still fine tuning my way out of the waters. Im no experienced grower by any means.

My issue began with overwatering the hell out of everything. And i couldnt figure out that i was doing that, until i came to THCFarmer and they told me that. So i changed my watering habits. I started underwatering my plants and they kept dying. and After months, and months, of trying. i started throwing plants out. Getting irritated and pissed just chucking plants not fixing the issue. Finally one day i tore the fabric pot i was using open. I cut her right down the side, and i discovered something i was doing wrong. I wasnt watering evenly. Nor correctly yet. Im not going to tell you how to water because im still trying to figure the shit out too. I am simply just trying to share my issue with you because i had similar looking plants.

I wasnt watering evenly. Certain parts of my plant would look okay, some parts would twist and turn, some parts would wilt. It was like the plant didnt know what it was doing. I just straight up had a bad watering habit.

I notice in your pictures, some of your pots arent watered evenly.
Here are some of my plants that went into the trash because i couldnt figure out what was going on, it was my bad watering habits/not watering evenly. It took about 30 THCFarmer members to knock me into shape. I went from the extreme of overwatering, to under-watering.

After cutting my pots open, and trying to figure out what was happening.
(NO IM NOT SAYING CUT YOUR POTS OPEN)

Watering Correctly will give you inside that look like this:
This is what they look like now when i cut open the pots after fixing my issue:

when i tore open the pots of the healthier plants i started getting, they look like this due to proper watering, and watering evenly.

Ive noticed every 3-4 days for me, with 1/4 of the pot volume-ISH has worked for me, plus or minus a little. After months of experimenting.

I tend to have very little run off, because its whats currently working for me, but the recommendation is 20% runoff and that works well for many other growers, especially here on THCFarmer. I guess this will give u a little reasoning as to why run off is important. i just learned this myself from other helpful growers on here. It took me awhileeeee. All i can really say is just keep playing and find your pattern that will work for you. It might take some time.

Your other more knowledgeable members will post shortly, Im kind of rolling off just what i see in your pictures. Dry soil, a helpless plant, soil is still wet, misleading issues, kinda the issue i was having.

As Beach walker posted above, hes not much into run off everytime, which is what works for him. So your routine will differ, not a WHOLE LOT, but it will.

I know you said you have found your issue and you are going to correct it. Hopefully i was able to provide some type of help to you, im usually the one crying and screaming for all sorts of help from everyone.

Once again just my experience with over/under watering.

Get yourself on a cycle of watering till a little bit of run off every couple days, my guess is somewhere in 2-4 days between waterings. Different for everyone, all the environmental variables vary. Your rootball, in the center of the pot will still feel a little moist, even when its ready for water.

Happy growing. :)
Sorry if i didnt help you at all. Im also a new grower who experiences horrible issues like this on a DAILY basis.
More overwatered pictures are below, along with spotty watering.

HighestCut · Jan 22, 2020

CosmoGrows said:
We have similar first grows. im Only on my second grow myself.
I had 2x4 and eventually moved into a 4x4. But started with a kingled 1000w.
You definitely have a better setup, less area to cover with a better light.

I had similiar issues, which, im infact still fine tuning my way out of the waters. Im no experienced grower by any means.

My issue began with overwatering the hell out of everything. And i couldnt figure out that i was doing that, until i came to THCFarmer and they told me that. So i changed my watering habits. I started underwatering my plants and they kept dying. and After months, and months, of trying. i started throwing plants out. Getting irritated and pissed just chucking plants not fixing the issue. Finally one day i tore the fabric pot i was using open. I cut her right down the side, and i discovered something i was doing wrong. I wasnt watering evenly. Nor correctly yet. Im not going to tell you how to water because im still trying to figure the shit out too. I am simply just trying to share my issue with you because i had similar looking plants.

I wasnt watering evenly. Certain parts of my plant would look okay, some parts would twist and turn, some parts would wilt. It was like the plant didnt know what it was doing. I just straight up had a bad watering habit.

I notice in your pictures, some of your pots arent watered evenly.
Here are some of my plants that went into the trash because i couldnt figure out what was going on, it was my bad watering habits/not watering evenly. It took about 30 THCFarmer members to knock me into shape. I went from the extreme of overwatering, to under-watering.

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After cutting my pots open, and trying to figure out what was happening.
(NO IM NOT SAYING CUT YOUR POTS OPEN)
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Watering Correctly will give you inside that look like this:
This is what they look like now when i cut open the pots after fixing my issue:

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when i tore open the pots of the healthier plants i started getting, they look like this due to proper watering, and watering evenly.

Ive noticed every 3-4 days for me, with 1/4 of the pot volume-ISH has worked for me, plus or minus a little. After months of experimenting.

I tend to have very little run off, because its whats currently working for me, but the recommendation is 20% runoff and that works well for many other growers, especially here on THCFarmer. I guess this will give u a little reasoning as to why run off is important. i just learned this myself from other helpful growers on here. It took me awhileeeee. All i can really say is just keep playing and find your pattern that will work for you. It might take some time.

Your other more knowledgeable members will post shortly, Im kind of rolling off just what i see in your pictures. Dry soil, a helpless plant, soil is still wet, misleading issues, kinda the issue i was having.

As Beach walker posted above, hes not much into run off everytime, which is what works for him. So your routine will differ, not a WHOLE LOT, but it will.

I know you said you have found your issue and you are going to correct it. Hopefully i was able to provide some type of help to you, im usually the one crying and screaming for all sorts of help from everyone.

Once again just my experience with over/under watering.

Get yourself on a cycle of watering till a little bit of run off every couple days, my guess is somewhere in 2-4 days between waterings. Different for everyone, all the environmental variables vary. Your rootball, in the center of the pot will still feel a little moist, even when its ready for water.

Happy growing. :)
Sorry if i didnt help you at all. Im also a new grower who experiences horrible issues like this on a DAILY basis.
More overwatered pictures are below, along with spotty watering.

Thanks @CosmoGrows!! That makes a lot of sense. I have been watering unevenly :(

I just gave it a thorough watering with a small amount of runoff. Set the pot on top of a metal ring so it is not sitting in the runoff.

what light are you using now? How was your yield with the king led 1000?

CosmoGrows · Jan 22, 2020

That pot looks much better. Im seriously no pro, these guys here just knocked everything i told you into my head, and im just transferring the info to you. I take no credit.

Now that you have it well saturated, Ehh give it 2-3 days, and check the weight. Fill another pot, a same size pot, full of soil right out of your bag. When that plant, feels lighter than the pot with just the soil in it, its time to water. That will/Should happen in around 2-3, maybe even 4-5 days. Thats what you have to figure out. Your environment will determine this. I used to get so pissed off, because the guys here would tell me not to worry about how much i water, but worry about how often i water. I didnt believe them. My plants kept dying no matter how long i waited, or how much i watered. But i can now tell you, they are right. When you get your plant on a wet/dry cycle, it will start to react better. Im not saying go dump 5 gallons on a 1 gallon pot, as stated above, i try to stick to the 1/4 of the pot in water volume, but thats always different for everyone. But dont worry about how much you water, as much. Just make sure shes light, make sure its been a couple days, and make sure its consistent. I got my girls drinking every 3 days and damn im loving this. But my environment makes that happen.

Not all is lost. This plant is just pissed because shes drinking to much. Dont worry, let her sit.
By the way, i ordered 55 seeds until i got one back into flower after my first harvest. Keep that in mind.

I am using a meizhi 900w currently in my 4x4 flower tent, and im using a meizhi 450w in my veg tent, i need light upgrades to fit my space properly. There are better people around here for lighting if youre looking to upgrade. I just dont want to give you bad information as im still learning all this myself.

What i have picked up from the experienced members here at THCFarmer is that quantum boards seem to be the way to go. Ive been suggested KingBrite Quantum board lights and thats what i plan to upgrade to.

You just watered her till run off this morning for me, my time would be 1/22/20. That means on 1/24-1/25/20 its time to check the pots and see how they feel. and see if they feel lighter than the pot you filled with just soil from your bag. for right now, we just sit and watch her recover. She may not even fully recover. I have a couple plants that the new growth looks good, but the old growth cant recover.

HeLLfiReZ · Jan 22, 2020

You guys can save a lot of headache, if you start them in smaller containers.

Starting smaller pots has advantages imo, they dry out faster and are more forgiving. Small plants being wet to long have issues.

Try starting in solo cups for the first bit next time. Then take an empty cup fill your pot around the cup. And gently place your gloriously rooted baby in. They will take a few days to dig deep then explode.

CosmoGrows · Jan 22, 2020

Try starting in solo cups for the first bit next time. Then take an empty cup fill your pot around the cup. And gently place your gloriously rooted baby in. They will take a few days to dig deep then explode.

I myself will take this advice too, thanks @HeLLfiReZ
Like i keep stating im still learning too.

HeLLfiReZ · Jan 22, 2020

CosmoGrows said:
I myself will take this advice too, thanks @HeLLfiReZ
Like i keep stating im still learning too.

The learning never stops in this game. There is always something new to try. Probably why i love it.

bigdaddyg8 · Jan 22, 2020

i have found when growing in a FFOF, promix or any medium of that type. is to wet mix the medium with a light veg nute solution. so your medium is evenly moist. plant your plant in the moist medium then gently water threw. feel the weight of the pot at that point. the next time i would water is when the pots are light in weight and i would water right threw.

HighestCut · Jan 22, 2020

HeLLfiReZ said:
You guys can save a lot of headache, if you start them in smaller containers.

Starting smaller pots has advantages imo, they dry out faster and are more forgiving. Small plants being wet to long have issues.

Try starting in solo cups for the first bit next time. Then take an empty cup fill your pot around the cup. And gently place your gloriously rooted baby in. They will take a few days to dig deep then explode.

I will def start with smaller pots and more gradual increase on next grow :)

Bmg1982 · Jan 22, 2020

I typically germinate in 1.5" rockwool, I like the 1 gallon square plastic pots for veg, but typically drill them out quite a bit to promote air pruining, feel the plastic containers make transplanting easier when I move on to 3gal fabric for flowering.

CosmoGrows makes some good points, as watering evenly is something over looked by the novice grower, and applies both to soil and coco.

Groweedeasy.com turned me on to transfer pumps you can find on Amazon somewhat cheap. Can't believe I didn't think of it before, another tool to make life easier. Here's my watering rig...

CosmoGrows · Jan 22, 2020

Bmg1982 said:
I typically germinate in 1.5" rockwool, I like the 1 gallon square plastic pots for veg, but typically drill them out quite a bit to promote air pruining, feel the plastic containers make transplanting easier when I move on to 3gal fabric for flowering.

CosmoGrows makes some good points, as watering evenly is something over looked by the novice grower, and applies both to soil and coco.

Groweedeasy.com turned me on to transfer pumps you can find on Amazon somewhat cheap. Can't believe I didn't think of it before, another tool to make life easier. Here's my watering rig...View attachment 932537

Woah woah good shit! ill be checking that out. Its a transfer pump? I like that idea.

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