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There are people, maybe 10, that can have anything and everything in my garden and I will bring all my resources to bare in helping them get what they dream of, but to most, I am a real dick about it..
Tex
heh heh......
There are people, maybe 10, that can have anything and everything in my garden and I will bring all my resources to bare in helping them get what they dream of, but to most, I am a real dick about it..
Tex
the same people pissing and moaning about "Hoarding" are the same people that bitch and moan about "Pest & mold" on clones. i got every strain i ever wanted here in CO, i never ever in 20 yrs had a prob with pest or mold or getting clones with pest/mold.
if you are the ones finding all the Pest/mold infested clones and cant seem to find the Elite strains.. then you are clearly looking in the wrong places and need to up your game a bit.
an MMC has access to maybe 10% of the Real Elites.. we are the ones that gave many of these shops the clones from the get go, not the other way around.
the day i sit here and think that a glorified dealer shop has better then what i have i will just hang up my watering can. i got a few shops offering hundreds for just a few beans..do you see me buying/selling seeds ?or asking for elites ?or how to get rare genetics? Not
maybe pop a freaking seed and do some Honest Pollen Chucking. :flower
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thats where I have a problem with seeds. Not every 10 pack is going to have an elite.
you can't just grow 10 seeds and think you've got the best representation of that strain, because chances are there are some phenos 10x danker and fatter than what you got hiding in the masses of seeds.
After having 35+ closley held cuts jacked from me and two despesaries start up with them as their marque strains, a few still distributed statewide I have a way different perspective on all this. Some represented years of work and money.
I will hoard, keep, destroy, give away, give to one person or no one whatever I want and I don't feel bad about it any way...
Wanna find an elite get ya 5+ packs of each seed at $120-$200 bucks a peice, grow them out 50-60 plants of the same strain, make selections, consume space, waste your plant count, spend the money, take additional risk with less potential return....then after all that GIVE IT TO ME because I said so, I don't care that it just cost you $5000 or so just to get there. That is the basic arguement right there..I see alot of people complain about the price of seeds, male famale ratios, low germ rates, poor growers, you name it...hell everyone would like the best of the best without the expense or work required to get it...alot easier to get someone elses passion in a pack than it is to go chase it yourself.
Every 10 pack of seeds has an elite cut in it, just gotta go find it.
This is a commercial industry, always has been, always will be, embrace it and get with the program or get left behind.
Competition is a healthy thing, it pushes everyone to their limits and great things come out of it..
Tex
I don't grow for money; I grow for the love of the plant. I collect different cuts, why? Besides a love of variety, I'm on a search for a strain that'll kill my migraines instantly, I know they're out there, I've had bags of herb that worked beautifully, but just street herb. For me, cannabis truly is medical. I enjoy smoking, but I truly NEED herb. Until I find that one strain that works for me (and will ease and/or stop my dependence on painkillers), the search is ON. I pass my clones to good people, and they hook me up as well. I'm not looking to get rich on ANYONES work; I have a job that pays very well, thanks. I'm not affiliated with ANY mmc, I'm a patient and caregiver for 5 people, my herb either stays with me or goes to my patients, so nobody ever has to worry about "competing" against my herb. I just want to have different flavors and highs, and find my "Holy Grail". Til then, I'm searching...
I appreciate all the elite cuts that have been passed my way, and I try to pay it forward as much as I can. Karma has a way of paying you back, truly it does. I've been shown much love since I've came on the med scene, whether its because of my love and knowledge of the plant, my karma, or that I'm just cool like that, haha. Regardless, I appreciate wholeheartedly any and all cuts that are passed my way, it's truly a blessing to have awesomely generous friends and acquaintances.
I do, however, think it's hilarious how pissed off some people get at how freely the cuts flow (one in particular is a well known dude round the CO scene, known for finding a cut or two). Pissed I didn't suck a d**k to get some elite shit? Bummer, too fackin' bad, deal with it. I don't hoard, I pass cuts to good-hearted and cool people... Some pretty awesome shit has been passed my way in return. Life is one big karmic wheel. :party0042:
I don't know the whole story as to whats been going on up north with D9 and the Banner cut. I've heard bits and pieces, but I'm not involved in it except for passing some cuts to COOL people. I honored, still honor, and will continue to honor the conditions that are on any cuts I have. However, not paying vendors and not having any intention of paying just isn't cool, no matter how you try to paint the picture. We ALL have bills to pay, nobody gets to play the "state fees" card, LOTS of people had to pay those fees, yet are still paying their suppliers and whatnot.
I agree with Dr Evil, selfhemployed, and all the others: Respect is everything; without it, whats the point? :joint:
I don't know the whole story as to whats been going on up north with D9 and the Banner cut. I've heard bits and pieces, but I'm not involved in it except for passing some cuts to COOL people. I honored, still honor, and will continue to honor the conditions that are on any cuts I have. However, not paying vendors and not having any intention of paying just isn't cool, no matter how you try to paint the picture. We ALL have bills to pay, nobody gets to play the "state fees" card, LOTS of people had to pay those fees, yet are still paying their suppliers and whatnot.
I agree with Dr Evil, selfhemployed, and all the others: Respect is everything; without it, whats the point? :joint:
Banner #5 is out and available in quite a few places now. Your Welcome Very Much.
I ain't gonna listen to some dick's terms for our dispensary and what we can do with her. I took a few branches and well now, she's on her way to be everywhere now that I'm done sending rooted clones out.
Banner #5 has been in the public domain now since the last week of July. She's in Cali, Mich, Pa, NY, and Or so start watching.
Crunchberries, Galadriel, and DeathStar will be out next month.
Do not PM me about these clones, I won't answer.
Do some searching on your own in Boulder only.
Come in to my dispensary and find a few for sale. sorry no names. it's a treasure hunt for you'll.
so i hear banner #3 is all over the place now any truth to this? love it when that happens to strains with "conditions" on them
*LOL.. "Some People" why dont you just say yr talkin about me...
Would love for you to tell me where i've once claimed to be a hot shit breeder? If you actually read my IC thread when creating the banner I even called the experiment pollen chucking... When I talk about hard work Im referring to the 9+ years Ive been growing selecting phenos from over 50 diff varities of cannabis..
Another note I'd like to make.. I never charged anyone for clones for nearly a decade, anyone who asked for clones got everything I had at the drop of the hat.. Go ahead and ask CloneDoc about that... He emerged on the scene with several of my clones, without ever even meeting me, he just requested from a buddy and I delivered.. Strains like the Juliet, DSD, Staw D, Aminesa99, are only in your "colorado clone scene" cause I started the seed years ago and picked the pheno you now smoke.. So Im not going to listen to you trash me for holding one to ONE STRAIN i made... I dont give credit to the breeders? We sold over 30 ELITE clones for $2.50 to half the members of this board for simply saying "JLP is the Man" I then got myself kicked off IC for the sale cause I was giving away amazing genetics for pennies.. and the mods wanted me to pay $800 for my own forum if i was to continue..
Thats about the 3rd time you have said my entire business is based on one clone... are you kidding me? now it's my greed and desire for fame... get real.. If i wanted to be sketchy about thing I'd of kept the lineage a secret, or better yet I'd just rename a clone and call it mine.. as relief did with there bio diesel aka death star or the sweet kush aka k2 or the plum kush aka the F13.. If you wanna call someone out why not pick someone who actually did something sketchy and get off my nuts, sayin Im pathetic and i'm scared to let my clone out cause I dont think it will stack up to other elites... lol def scared grow up..
All I ever asked is that the Banner stays out of other disp. I made it ab 4 years ago and passed it freely, along with all other strains I was working with... after I started D9 I still passed it and told folks to pass it with one little condition.. Several of the members of this board got it from me, not because they were "cool" or not but because they were able to show me top level product or knowledge or love of the plant.. Several members of this board gave me strains with conditions attached to them also... conditions i always respected... I have several strains that are other clubs number ones.. like (kurple) bred by mile high wellness.. that I'm not allowed to sell and your not going to see that clone passed either... rather than cry about what you dont have make something you want.. yr whole rant or thread is a giant waste of time...
I crossed a plant, it turned out good... no you cant have it from me... (yr passing the pheno I axed long ago anyways) it will land in yr garden if you deserve it... wah wah wah cry about it some more...
Great thread... pure trolling...
I'm all for holding onto a special cut and making sure it doesn't get out to the masses, protecting your work, and all that jazz. If you got something really special and you worked hard to find it, and it gives you a bit of an edge, then it only makes sense to keep that edge. I know I got a few strains that I keep close tabs on for that exact reason as do most growers.
However, being the ONLY person to hold onto a special cut is just flat out fucking retarded. Countless good strains have been lost forever due to growers being extremely short sighted and greedy. I'm not saying you gotta give it out to every person that asks, but make sure you got at least one other buddy growing it. If you are the ONLY person that has it, 99% of the time, that strain will be lost eventually. Besides, if you fuck up (ie bust, massive grow failure, etc) and lose your special cut, and no one else has it, how are you gonna get it back? Oh yeah. You won't. Cuz you're a moron.