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I went from just 2 to 4 events in a day and saw a huge improvement already. I still need to work out the details to increase those numbers and deal with runoff etc and fine tune everything but its obvious already the more frequent and steady the better.So it an aeroponic NFT combination? If so thats a different case than just aeroponics 4 times a day which i have never ever heard of nor think would be doable on its own without NFT
There are alot more factors i think you may have missed. Its combination of HOW much and HOW often... not simply 10x a day. In my hydro my plants would be drinking over a gal a day each. In this coco they are drinking 250ml x 10 which is 2.5 litres. Environment, especially temps, transpiration rates and growth affect uptake. Im not sure why that seems like to much? I would say its quite normal for a plant to drink that much wouldn't you?
If i fed these gals 4 times a day they would be bone dry and I would have a much less stable rootzone. Nutrients don't concentrate in air but they sure do in coco if not rinsed through to an extent.
Could not have said it better.What we are trying to achieve is called cyclical watering. The plant will become accustomed to the frequent fertigation events and increase growth exponentially. But please keep in mind frequently watering is not the only concern. Temp, humidity, light intensity, air flow, pot size, amount of drainage, and nutrient strength all play a role. If a few of these are out of parameters, it will result in a less than optimal outcome. But the most important thing to remember is this style of growing IS NOT SOIL. You can add dry amendments to your coco and then it would be comparable to a soil grow, and I would agree with some dry time. But with multiple fertigations in plain coco, the only time the plant has access to nutrients is in the water. So if you’re not watering, they’re not eating and you will have issues. This style is not for everyone. IMO, auto watering from a reservoir is a must have. Once you get everything dialed in, it’s almost set and forget.
Set and forget! Exactly. I'm forced to be away from my grow for a week at a time so I had no choice but to set up this way and I love it.What we are trying to achieve is called cyclical watering. The plant will become accustomed to the frequent fertigation events and increase growth exponentially. But please keep in mind frequently watering is not the only concern. Temp, humidity, light intensity, air flow, pot size, amount of drainage, and nutrient strength all play a role. If a few of these are out of parameters, it will result in a less than optimal outcome. But the most important thing to remember is this style of growing IS NOT SOIL. You can add dry amendments to your coco and then it would be comparable to a soil grow, and I would agree with some dry time. But with multiple fertigations in plain coco, the only time the plant has access to nutrients is in the water. So if you’re not watering, they’re not eating and you will have issues. This style is not for everyone. IMO, auto watering from a reservoir is a must have. Once you get everything dialed in, it’s almost set and forget.
Set and forget! Exactly. I'm forced to be away from my grow for a week at a time so I had no choice but to set up this way and I love it.
I think of it like a swing set. I feel like the plants daily cycle is like a pendulum, and everyone knows when you're on a swing set if you pump your feet at the right time you keep that pendulum swinging but if you do it at random times the momentum stops. The water/feed is like the foot pumping that keeps the plant going consistently.
So it an aeroponic NFT combination? If so thats a different case than just aeroponics 4 times a day which i have never ever heard of nor think would be doable on its own without NFT
There are alot more factors i think you may have missed. Its combination of HOW much and HOW often... not simply 10x a day. In my hydro my plants would be drinking over a gal a day each. In this coco they are drinking 250ml x 10 which is 2.5 litres. Environment, especially temps, transpiration rates and growth affect uptake. Im not sure why that seems like to much? I would say its quite normal for a plant to drink that much wouldn't you?
If i fed these gals 4 times a day they would be bone dry and I would have a much less stable rootzone. Nutrients don't concentrate in air but they sure do in coco if not rinsed through to an extent.
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@MidwestToker makes a good point though. I did a piss poor job of explaining that. I will edit the post when I get home to better explain it and why the bigger the pot size the more you water with per event and the less frequent you need to water as the pot size increases there is more overall water in the media so the % of saturation of the coco declines at a much slower rate... meaning less frequent watering are needed to keep it at the % we want. In my 1 gal pots its needs to be extremely frequent but the volume is much lower to keep it 90%+
Depends how big your going. One benefit to coco is you can use small pots compared to soil. Like my 1 gals. I just start them in there. Personally the only reason to do big pots would be reduced watering frequency or growing trees. I think its kinda situation specific. If going like 5 gal I would think a bit more benefit to up potting but something like a 3 gal... I would probably just start in it. No real right answer to this IMO.Hey @Aqua Man in coco is their still an advantage to starting in smaller containers and transplanting, or is that more of a soil thing?
I've done both ways and not really much difference tbh if you transplant at the right time they don't skip a beat.Hey @Aqua Man in coco is their still an advantage to starting in smaller containers and transplanting, or is that more of a soil thing?
Happy medium but compact i would say is less desirable.So right now I have two types of coco. Roots soiless that is mixed with perlite, but the coco is much finer and Roots compressed coco. It's more of a bark/chunks. Which is better?
Aqua i'm trying your teqnique with Slabs just one question. Do u get un off in every watering? 10 times a day?@MidwestToker makes a good point though. I did a piss poor job of explaining that. I will edit the post when I get home to better explain it and why the bigger the pot size the more you water with per event and the less frequent you need to water as the pot size increases there is more overall water in the media so the % of saturation of the coco declines at a much slower rate... meaning less frequent watering are needed to keep it at the % we want. In my 1 gal pots its needs to be extremely frequent but the volume is much lower to keep it 90%+
I do but its absolutely minimal like 25-50ml. If you keep a tight eye on the runoff you can further tweak and reduce runoff as these are guidelines and lots of variables can affect it so this is a safe bet for pretty much any grow but no doubt you can get away with less if you want to take the time to tune it right in.Aqua i'm trying your teqnique with Slabs just one question. Do u get un off in every watering? 10 times a day?
if your ppms increase between waterings The simple solution is to keep the input ppms the same but increase the frequency of the watering until it comes out closer to what you're putting in. Ppms will increase as the pot dries regardless of what the plant uses. The plant will take up approximately 10 parts water for one part nutrient. This results in a concentration of the nutrients. Hope that makes sense.Ive been feeding one at 650 and still get runoff over 1000 after 4 days.and have had to keep flushing it.the other plant id get to 6-7 days..its got me beat ..i kept thinking the 4 holes and root mass the salts are battling to get out...simply put these 2 plants must b light feeders.
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