this i agree with and stated in my opening argument, led vs hps 1 on 1 is a no brainer. as these setups are usually done in tents where led claims of coverage actually manifest on the real world
definitely
but none of them really have reflection thus require more fixtures this is my only remaining concern.
are you insinuating i'm into being spoon fed information then yesYou can do some math...I feel like you're not being as resourceful as you're capable of :)
please elaborateNo. You are assuming that LED's behave like MH or HPS. They do not.
please elaborate
this also means only plants directly under are really getting any usable ppdf. this results in having to run them end to end like i said and see..all energy is facing down on the plant. This negates the need for a reflector.
this also means only plants directly under are really getting any usable ppdf. this results in having to run them end to end like i said and see..
with hid and reflectors you have overlapping light spread that combines to a usable ppfd.
No, you're over-thinking this ... Modern LEDs cast light at about 120 degrees so you still have some of this over-lap. You will be light years ahead using LEDs in any kind of commercial facility.this also means only plants directly under are really getting any usable ppdf. this results in having to run them end to end like i said and see..
with hid and reflectors you have overlapping light spread that combines to a usable ppfd.
much less, and no i hid doesnt have a magical radius. 150degrees compared to leds is much more spread thoLED's also have overlapping lights as well, you act like MH or HPS have some magical radius that goes on forever with usable PPFD.
i have only been arguing for the sake of this thread and getting to the conclusion. nothing so far has been directed at you.This just tells me you haven't spent any real significant amount of time looking at and comparing PAR maps between lights and I will have to see myself out of this very long, very lengthy seminar :p
i would agree with this any day. there is slight overlap nothing like reflectors offer. light years ahead for sure only if you can afford the expense associated with led, upfront cost being the critical one. the gavita replacement offered is again light years ahead of hid but at what cost.No, you're over-thinking this ... Modern LEDs cast light at about 120 degrees so you still have some of this over-lap. You will be light years ahead using LEDs in any kind of commercial facility.
little to no wasted photons, got it. win for ledIt's the focused light that you receive from LEDs that make it much more efficient than the HID.
expect or have calculated?They expect the savings alone on electricity costs (lighting and cooling) will pay for this upgrade within the year.
They have run the numbers.little to no wasted photons, got it. win for led
expect or have calculated?
ok ill run numbers tomorrow, wholesalers have gavita pro 1700 led v2 no ct2000e. so ill run it on the bar light, to determine if you can make such a recovery in expenses over the course of a year.They have run the numbers.
Don't forget to factor cooling costs. LEDs take far less energy $$ to keep things cool, and this is where a significant part of your savings will be found.ok ill run numbers tomorrow, wholesalers have gavita pro 1700 led v2 no ct2000e. so ill run it on the bar light, to determine if you can make such a recovery in expenses over the course of a year.
which makes it all extremely difficult to determine. climate control yes uses more energy in hid situations but how we determine to savings form switching to led. at what watts are we running to control climate varies so cost estimation becomes difficult. hids running cost is higher on all fronts this i agree with.Don't forget to factor cooling costs. LEDs take far less energy $$ to keep things cool, and this is where a significant part of your savings will be found.
you would be shitting yourself regardless. this is why people are switching to solar facilities or convertingIt's not like electricity is getting any cheaper. I would bemyself if I was running a commercial op that hadn't switched to LED. Sorry last post
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