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I was reading about uv a and uvb how they effect a plant I am thinking of modifying a 4 ft shop light and getting lizard bulbsOk guys here is goes. I purchased the Side King SK7000d. And I saw reviews saying it was an awesome light, I'm so I bought it. And lemme tell ya.. it's like staring into the SUN! But HOWEVER.. I just ran across someone who said that it barely had enough far red built into it. And provided some crap buds on it because of that factor. So now.. I am looking for the ABSOLUTE cheapest way to remedy this problem by maybe giving it it far red supplemental lighting. This here is what I have in mind so far.. tell me what you guys think.. and be cruel if must!
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And I am asking you guys.. way ha think? I was think that I could suspend from the ceiling the bulb style light that project forward, hang them from the side of the light and around it to make sure each plant gets it's good bit of red. But really.. I'm at a loss for words. I CAN'T go spending hundreds and hundreds of dollars on a light again. Just isn't possible. So.. this is my next best guess. Now if YOU guys have any better ideas that you and point and link me to that would be more efficient, not get in the way of the light, and hopefullyyy doesn't cost too too much.. I'm all ears. Thank guys. And.. good luck! Lol
The ones I'm looking at the most are..
And I am thinking I could do some serioussss glue it to the corners of the light. And then have this..
And lastly.. I would get this for the seedlings that are in the humidity dome.
I really really think all of this would work. Red LED enough to penetrate skin to rebuild human cells, that tells me that they are strong enough to penetrate leaf cells and make a difference. But DAMN is all gonna be expensive!
There's almost every horticultural website delivering false information in an attempt to sway a potential buyer to their own brands, with one of these arguments is by spectrum talk, either "we have FR for Emerson" or "we have no green as chl doesn't absorb that" [sic!] or whatever.... The problem isn't the spectrum but the advertising....Offhand, someone sounds like they might be full of shit. Growers have been growing excellent buds for decades without the benefit of far red light. How does someone explain that?
But there's far red light in the model the OP is talking about, too. Are you saying the OP should buy additional FR lighting or not?There's almost every horticultural website delivering false information in an attempt to sway a potential buyer to their own brands, with one of these arguments is by spectrum talk, either "we have FR for Emerson" or "we have no green as chl doesn't absorb that" [sic!] or whatever.... The problem isn't the spectrum but the advertising....
I'm not really sure to what SPDs or lamps you refer when stating they did so without the benefit of FRL? As all HIDs contain quite an effective dosage of FRL and even white LED have something like 3-5% on board, it depends a bit on CRI and K temp. One would have to use a "NASA" light made out of solely monochromatics to not have FRL in the SPD.
Now when I write FRL is very effective then this could mean a number of things, one is the selectively excitation of photosystem I (PSI) that starts when the absorption of PSII sharply declines at around 680nm, which is where its funnels core (p860) has its max-absorption peak. Still, a bit of FRL is absorbed by PSII, but only about 1 out of 10 photons, the rest is increasingly absorbed by PSI.
Now this is much of a greater difference as the ratio of PSII:PSI absorbance in the PAR region. Thus, FRL is very effective to do away with the exciton overflow happening at the binding site where PSII hands over electrons to PSI.
You can see this here:
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^^ for a leaf (it really doesn't matter if it's lettuce as chloroplasts/photosystems are similar for all plant species), what's important is the reduced fluorescence when FRL is introduced, as that is a very strong indicator of a better photochemistry (less exciton loss via fluorescence),
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Which shows the famous "Emerson-enhancement effect" on a sunflower leaf,
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Which shows net canopy carbon gain in a rigorous approach with or w/o supplemented farred light, and very interestingly, the small arrows also show the decrease in photosynthesisrate when the supplemented FRL was dropped shortly. Now this very drop is bigger in the "RB+FRL" setup than in the "White+FRL" setup - because Bugbee used a warmwhite 3000k spectrum for this, which contained already (IIRC) 5% FRL (the RB next to none).
In other words, we can even discriminate between the longterm effects of FRL on the habitus of a given plant (also including bigger leaf-size from the phytochrome effect) against its immediate effect on the photosynthesis rate.
But there are many ways to illustrate effects of light and it is true that it is only PAR light 400-700nm that is crucially needed for plants to acquire mass. If FRL lacks, then one antenna of PSII can wander to support PSI with excitons to due away with this overflow (you see this also evident in the first 2 pics where the fluorescence slowly drops).
What experience did the some guy have in growing besides his opinion on his crappy light purchase? Is he the guru of all gurus? Seems like everyone looking for that magic light. There are many companies to choose from, To many not doing homework to make a good decision.Ok guys here is goes. I purchased the Side King SK7000d. And I saw reviews saying it was an awesome light, I'm so I bought it. And lemme tell ya.. it's like staring into the SUN! But HOWEVER.. I just ran across someone who said that it barely had enough far red built into it. And provided some crap buds on it because of that factor. So now.. I am looking for the ABSOLUTE cheapest way to remedy this problem by maybe giving it it far red supplemental lighting. This here is what I have in mind so far.. tell me what you guys think.. and be cruel if must!
Or..
Amazon.com: HQRP 660 nm 14W 225 LED Pure Red Grow Light Panel for Growing Flowers Orchids, Bonsai, Hibiscus, Saffrons + Hanging Kit : Patio, Lawn & Garden
Shop Amazon for HQRP 660 nm 14W 225 LED Pure Red Grow Light Panel for Growing Flowers Orchids, Bonsai, Hibiscus, Saffrons + Hanging Kit and find millions of items, delivered faster than ever.www.amazon.com
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And I am asking you guys.. way ha think? I was think that I could suspend from the ceiling the bulb style light that project forward, hang them from the side of the light and around it to make sure each plant gets it's good bit of red. But really.. I'm at a loss for words. I CAN'T go spending hundreds and hundreds of dollars on a light again. Just isn't possible. So.. this is my next best guess. Now if YOU guys have any better ideas that you and point and link me to that would be more efficient, not get in the way of the light, and hopefullyyy doesn't cost too too much.. I'm all ears. Thank guys. And.. good luck! Lol
Hey bud, thank you SO so much for that light scale there. But question.. is that the light scale for the SK7000d? Like.. that exact one? And also either way.. I saw one guy who had a genius idea where he stuck some of those full spectrum light strips against the back wall of where plants would go. So either way.. considering also that I am a EPICALLY HUGEEE fan of HLG, and their Scorpion Diablo (wishi could have afforded it and also wish I could of even fit it), and also a HUGE fan of the new commander and chief of lights.. the Scorpion Diablo Far Red (I LOVEEE that light! I want to have its babies"I just ran across someone who said that it barely had enough far red built into it. And provided some crap buds on it because of that factor."
i think this is over exagerated, if i were you i'll do a run without additionnal 660nm and see by yourself if buds are that crap.
spectrum looks pretty good to me:
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What experience do I have? I wouldn't call me a myself a "Guru of Guru's".. for that would be prideful. I HATE pride. But I WILL say I have been growing off and on for around 15 years or so.. give or take. Just THIS time.. I went all out. Look guys.. I am building a completely sealed grow (so I can use CO2 properly without dying in my sleep lol). Here.. I'll take some pictures. One sec..What experience did the some guy have in growing besides his opinion on his crappy light purchase? Is he the guru of all gurus? Seems like everyone looking for that magic light. There are many companies to choose from, To many not doing homework to make a good decision.
Well to start out the thread with you stated someone made bad nugs with that light, who was that someone? lol I could give my lights to my brother-in-law and I have confidence he will screw something up.What experience do I have? I wouldn't call me a myself a "Guru of Guru's".. for that would be prideful. I HATE pride. But I WILL say I have been growing off and on for around 15 years or so.. give or take. Just THIS time.. I went all out. Look guys.. I am building a completely sealed grow (so I can use CO2 properly without dying in my sleep lol). Here.. I'll take some pictures. One sec
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