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thanks I will put that one back in the memory..was more of a personal ? then a solutionIme that kind of leaf wrinkle is from too many soluble nutrients in the solution. That plant looks vibrant green. From what I have seen pH problems generally manifest with yellowing, necrosis, abnormal purple stems, etc due to trace minerals not being available.
But then again I quit measuring pH long ago. ;)
I would think not. A deficiency I would expect to show as a deficiency, not as an overdose of another nutrient. Especially since Mg is needed for photosynthesis. However, I'm often wrong.
With respect,
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Here's some pH reading for beginners.im trying to say we should edumucate new farmers on PH and suggest at the very least a $5 test kit to learn about your water and its effects.
telling a new farmer to jump right into microbials and not worrying about what Ph stuff is seems ????
Possibly, but it's not a scenario I personally have experienced so I can't really speak to it. What I have experienced is pH locking out for the most part. It is a good question, though.could it be from the ph making n too available while locking out others?
If I didn't use the line of fertilizers the OP is using so extensively, I might agree with you here. Also, my only experience(s) with the crinkling (I call it a crepey appearance, but my spellcheck hates that word and often people don't know what I mean, so...) has been related to pH parameters being very out of whack. And I did a real boo boo this year that taught me that even if in organics, do not ignore pH. You don't necessarily have to futz with it, but don't ignore it if you're having problems that you're trying to get resolved. This seems to be especially true the smaller the container.Ime that kind of leaf wrinkle is from too many soluble nutrients in the solution. That plant looks vibrant green. From what I have seen pH problems generally manifest with yellowing, necrosis, abnormal purple stems, etc due to trace minerals not being available.
But then again I quit measuring pH long ago. ;)
Not saying this isn't so, just asking for my benefit. I've never seen this wrinkle from pH and I'm curious. Why do you think the leaves are so green if the pH is out of whack? Would not the Mg uptake be hampered and therefore photosynthesis retarded? I always see the typical CalMg lockout/yellowing/necrosis when pH is off.Possibly, but it's not a scenario I personally have experienced so I can't really speak to it. What I have experienced is pH locking out for the most part. It is a good question, though.
@HashHead -- a pH of 6 is usually fine, but if you're using distilled, know that it's considered a solvent, and go from there. I personally only use distilled water if I'm using the Keurig or my iron.
If I didn't use the line of fertilizers the OP is using so extensively, I might agree with you here. Also, my only experience(s) with the crinkling (I call it a crepey appearance, but my spellcheck hates that word and often people don't know what I mean, so...) has been related to pH parameters being very out of whack. And I did a real boo boo this year that taught me that even if in organics, do not ignore pH. You don't necessarily have to futz with it, but don't ignore it if you're having problems that you're trying to get resolved. This seems to be especially true the smaller the container.
Right now I don't think the OP has much in the way of life in the soil, and whatever is there is still in its beginning stages, much as the OP is.
What I know is this--when I see crinkling like that, I begin playing with the pH, FIRST by using straight rainwater (I've shut off my RO/DI for now, can't conscientiously use it during such an extreme drought) and then mixing with my tap. If I still can't get it corrected then I look to the soil itself, and that is what turned out to be the issue earlier this year, a REALLY bad batch of soil, caused me HUGE problems even though I do everything 100% organically.
I wish I could tell you definitively! And that's just the thing with that crinkling shit, I assumed many of the same things you're saying. But it wasn't until I began working on shifting pH parameters that I've seen it change (usually I need to shift it downward, because I prefer to use unfiltered well water and it is rather alkaline and basic). And here's where it gets REALLY interesting--I've *only* ever observed it on plants I'm growing inside. :oNot saying this isn't so, just asking for my benefit. I've never seen this wrinkle from pH and I'm curious. Why do you think the leaves are so green if the pH is out of whack? Would not the Mg uptake be hampered and therefore photosynthesis retarded? I always see the typical CalMg lockout/yellowing/necrosis when pH is off.
I run the RO and feed the waste water to the outdoor plants. Makes me feel a little better about my water usage. ;)
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