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I’m moving to coco but feeling leery about going full on hydro. I m starting to like the idea of it tho
lol :smoking:Alrighty then
I can also manipulate the crap out of the growing tip, and all but stop the vertical growth, but you have to mess with it 3-4 times a day, everyday for a week, or so, but it does the same thing as topping, but still allows for the growing tip.
I like it. Just my style. I flower In 25g pots and go big indoor. 5-7 foot plants in flower. Not pulling weight like that yet but I’m working on improving and learning. Running 2 gavitas at 1150w and 4 350w ceramic halids rotating crops through out flowering.View attachment 828289 We Bend, and Train our plants to grow Horizontally so all of the secondary shoots grow Vertically, become mains, and Height becomes much less of an issue, though we can get some plants 7+ feet long. Especially if you mercilessly bombard them with light, and a ton of medium from the start.
Main reason Im against Topping is that it gets rid of the Main Meristem, and for every couple inches ect, I keep getting 2 brand new Mains/Internodes. When you cut the tip, this is gone. If can be made up for, but you have to Veg Longer, which violates Rule #1.
I can also manipulate the crap out of the growing tip, and all but stop the vertical growth, but you have to mess with it 3-4 times a day, everyday for a week, or so, but it does the same thing as topping, but still allows for the growing tip.
We also Shake, and bend the branches of each plant, and have several fans going 24/7 even when Lights Out. Theres always a breeze, and fresh air exchange. Always.
Main thing is you have to use a strain that has strong side branching from the start, and we also prefer plants that stretch like a MoFo when flipped. 2x-5x
Our first rule is that when 1st tested, a single plant has to be able to produce 1lb+ in 20 gallons soil within 120 days from seed, with with No Training, and if it cant, we cant use it.
Heres a photo of a Kosher Kush Secondary that was 53 grams trimmed/dried. This is 1 of many from a single plant. This 1 plant got 24oz. Its on my guitar case so its fairly long, but not above average. Buddy also gave me this, and kept the bigger stuff. I gave him the seeds.
Im in fucked up state, and Ive also been had for 1000 clones/feds before-97-2009 worth...., so I possess nothing, but do some collusion.:opps:
Hey @Jmaes Mabley ,
Could you please expand on what "manipulate the crap out of the growing tip" entails? I am assuming that you are tying or holding it down somehow (trellis netting?) Thanks.
Thanks for the info. I appreciate your knowledge. Building my next grow room now. I will definitely facilitate your advice in my next grow!Also consider this.
If 1 uses say a 1000w Gavita.
The light will only penetrat a good 3.5 feet, 4 at best, and if the plant is 7 feet tall, the light on the lowest branches are compromised greatly. They are not even getting Half the light as the 1st 50% of the plant. Inverse Square Law.
If they are Bent Horizontally, every branch gets maximum light, and completely takes the height issue out of the equation. There are No Lower Branches, on a Horizontally Grown Plant. ALL Branches become Mains, and the lights give maximum penetration.
Thanks for dropping all this knowledge on us. I'm learning a lot bro. I'm on my first grow, but I feel good about what I'm doing cuz I got some badass airflow going on! LOL. For real tho, thanks man. I like to learn everybody's different techniques and apply some of it to my own grow.Keep It Simple.
The basic guides I use are.
GREAT AIRFLOW
Lots of light
Don't Over Feed/Water.
Lots of Medium
That's it. Veer off this and results will go accordingly.
I also like to use a cheap, MOISTURE METER/LOWES... I never let the Needle get to the LOW MOIST LINE. Always just slightly above, and then water again. And not over drench a smaller plant. You cant drench a smaller plant in a large container. Give more as you go along.
I usually start with 10% of recommended dose/5 gallons water of food/seedlings, water each time, and increase a bit over the weeks. No More than 30% recommended dose for large plants, in 5 gallons water, and feed at each watering. Adjust if needed. Up, or down. The least amount with no deficiencies is the best route. But also don't short change them.
Also.
They need all of the fresh air they can get.
Did I mention Airflow???
I cant relay how important airflow is.
I usually run 4 wall mounted fans on each wall also air tite rooms with co2.Keep It Simple.
The basic guides I use are.
GREAT AIRFLOW
Lots of light
Don't Over Feed/Water.
Lots of Medium
That's it. Veer off this and results will go accordingly.
I also like to use a cheap, MOISTURE METER/LOWES... I never let the Needle get to the LOW MOIST LINE. Always just slightly above, and then water again. And not over drench a smaller plant. You cant drench a smaller plant in a large container. Give more as you go along.
I usually start with 10% of recommended dose/5 gallons water of food/seedlings, water each time, and increase a bit over the weeks. No More than 30% recommended dose for large plants, in 5 gallons water, and feed at each watering. Adjust if needed. Up, or down. The least amount with no deficiencies is the best route. But also don't short change them.
Also.
They need all of the fresh air they can get.
Did I mention Airflow???
I cant relay how important airflow is.
Nothing wrong with HID, I still use my gavita for a couple months in the winter for that very reason when we are running the wood burner:)Just ordered a 1000 watt hps with cool tube. Going to use the btu s to heat my house and be able to keep my space nice and cool. I live where it’s very cold and my 1500 watt heater runs most of the time on the coldest days. Won’t have to run much now. To each there own. I’m allowed to still love hid lol. I do currently use a few led bulbs with the globe popped in my veg tho ✌
I’m installing a 4 ton carrier package unit for cooling. Would you suggest installing an economizer for fresh air intake. I am also installing TPO fully adhered to the floors walls and ceiling. The laps on the material are welded. Basically when I’m done ive built a swimming pool.Unless the room is 100% Airtight, CO2 is a waste, and fans moving air in the room, isn't Airflow/Exchange. That's just moving around stale air. If you use CO2, you must exchange XX amount of times per hour, and also be able to Exhaust old ir, and still keep it 10000% AIRTIGHT.
Co2 goes to the area of least resistance, and even a pnhole will defeat the purpose. Not saying CO2 doesn't work either.
Only the enclosure has to be 100% Airtight, and you also must be able to exhause/Exchange Fresh Sair, and Exhause Old Air.
Also remember this.
Plants require CO2/when Lights are On, and give off Oxygen/Transpiration, but they require Oxygen when Lights Out, and Give Off/ CO2/Respiration.
So fresh air exchange constantly is how we do it. It doesn't take a lot, but has to be always fresh.