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Is Smoking Flower Dead?

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Two.Bears

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There are people that are die hard flower fans, and there are people that prefer the concentrates?

Which side of the debate are you on?

Me; well i am of the opinion that flower is dead. Here is my conclusion.

A. Flower dries out and not good to smoke. A good concentrate can be good a year or more.

B. Smoking you inhale the cannabinoids along with potassium nitrate, clorophyll, lipids, alkaloids, carbon monoxide, etc.

A concentrate has

NO combustion
No smoke
Some people take 1/2 gram dabs in one inhalation. That is like smoking about 4 joints.

Why do i say this? I have made extracts via Hash, QWEHO, and the QWISO methods.

99% isopropyl extracts 17.2-24.5%. About the same as butane extractions. 3.5 grams (1/8 Oz) yields .5-.7 grams of concentrate depending on the strain.

Concentrates require much less space than flower. 1 gram concentrate takes about as much space as a Nickel in your pocket, and has the cannabinoids as 6.5-7 grams of flower.

Lastly concentrates have never been easier to come by.

One bennefit is Concentrates can be made fron tge buds, trim, leaves and stems. Here in AZ 7 grams flowers cost. $90-100 at dispensary 1 gram shatter costs $40-55

This is only a partial list of concentrates that i know.


a. Dry sift
b. Bubble Hash
c. Pressing Rosin
d. QWEHO (Quick Wash Ethanol Hash Oil)
e. QWISO (Quick Wash ISOpropyl
f. BHO (Butane Honey Oil)
g. RSO (Rick Simpson Oil)
h. CO2
i. Namptha
J. Hexane

Here are the methods i use and prefer

1. Dry sift to get the resin heads then press Rosin.

This has 0 Solvents

2. There is always cannabinoids left behind when you press Rosin. I put the packets of resin heads pressed for Rosin in a jar. When the jar is half full i pour 99% isopropyl over everything to dissolve the remaining cannabinoids. Filter out the packets and winterize the liquid to remove clorophyll fats lipids and solids.

Always before i boiled off the alcohol. After i get moved i plan to buy either a water or essential oil still to reclaim about 90% of my Solvent before the final purge.

I have vaporized bho, QWEHO, and QWISO.

From my experience i prefer the QWISO. Once winterized and purged correctly the vapor is less harsh than BHO

The effects are as good as BHO. Unfortunately the flavor isnt as good as BHO but the vapor isnt as harsh on the throat and lungs as BHO.
 
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I used to dab and only dab for like a year or 2 straight, After getting up to 30 grams a month, or about 5 ounces of weed a month, I decided dabs were a huge fucking waste of money.

So i went back to flowers and have been very happy the high is far better with flowers, Last longer and provides the full spectrum where as concentrates ALWAYS leave something behind. . .

Now Im back down to 2 zips a month..
 
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Flowers
 
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Dab only

No one and I mean no one in my area wants qwiso or etoh extract, even at 5/g. All want bho, but now all want solventless. I have stocked up on over 1.5oz of qwiso extract, sitting doing nothing. Well I have a use for it, but it's not for vaping or smoking.
 
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Flowers for me, I build up way too high of a tolerance only smoking concentrates. Only high for like 15-20 mins after big dabs is just a waste. Like dabbie said, much better high. I hate trying to stay high all day with oil, feel like a fuckin zombie by noon
 
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+1 for flowers
 
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The only reason I'm gonna run a ton of bubble this year is that...as I (gasp) age....the 45 years of daily toking joints (flowers) has caught up to me a bit. When I smoke as I always did nowadays (maybe 6 joints a day)...I can feel the gunky/crapass shit in my lungs the next day....

The true test though...is my bubbler. I can smoke flowers through it and the first bowl will make the water brown. When I smoke the bub through it I can smoke for days and days and the water is still clear. Gotta be the same with the lungs. I know I sure FEEL better when I just take a few hits of bub vs. sitting there and smoking an entire joint be myself (for the same high).

I smoked BHO in the early to mid 90's before it was the rage/before many folks knew what the fuck it was. I was small time...so quantities were limited...but even so...it didn't take long for the tolerance to rise and the nastiness of the butane to leave an impact. I think a lot of folks who dab constantly will be sorry in the future 'cus the residuals are there..."purged" or not. If it wasn't there all of it wouldn't have that nice butane taste underneath the taste of the bud/hash. Been there, done that. No thanks.

As always....YMMV with road conditions/etc....
 
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Smoke the flower, & green dragon my trim.
 
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Flowers for me. I'll smoke an extract occasionally but shit makes me off point. I didn't even puff for like 5 years and just started again like 3yrs ago when I quit drinking. Dabs render me more intoxicated than I'm comfortable being.

But, of course, different strokes for different folks and all that.
 
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LittleDabbie said:
I used to dab and only dab for like a year or 2 straight, After getting up to 30 grams a month, or about 5 ounces of weed a month, I decided dabs were a huge fucking waste of money.

So i went back to flowers and have been very happy the high is far better with flowers, Last longer and provides the full spectrum where as concentrates ALWAYS leave something behind. . .

Now Im back down to 2 zips a month..
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Hey Dabbie.

When yoy do concentrates how are you using the concentrate?

Oil rig
Wax Atomizer with coil and silica wick
Wax Atomizer with donut coil like the Kiln link below or some other way?

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01A...0&sr=8-3&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=kiln

I use a clone of the Kiln see link above. the fksvor is far superior to the coil and silica wick in the bulb Atomizers.
 
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scoop said:
The only reason I'm gonna run a ton of bubble this year is that...as I (gasp) age....the 45 years of daily toking joints (flowers) has caught up to me a bit. When I smoke as I always did nowadays (maybe 6 joints a day)...I can feel the gunky/crapass shit in my lungs the next day....

The true test though...is my bubbler. I can smoke flowers through it and the first bowl will make the water brown. When I smoke the bub through it I can smoke for days and days and the water is still clear. Gotta be the same with the lungs. I know I sure FEEL better when I just take a few hits of bub vs. sitting there and smoking an entire joint be myself (for the same high).

I smoked BHO in the early to mid 90's before it was the rage/before many folks knew what the fuck it was. I was small time...so quantities were limited...but even so...it didn't take long for the tolerance to rise and the nastiness of the butane to leave an impact. I think a lot of folks who dab constantly will be sorry in the future 'cus the residuals are there..."purged" or not. If it wasn't there all of it wouldn't have that nice butane taste underneath the taste of the bud/hash. Been there, done that. No thanks.

As always....YMMV with road conditions/etc....
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The ONLY THING I use flower for is making edibles. I hated my throat feeling raw for two hours and my lungs irritated.

I have an edible about 30-45 minutes before bed. At bed time i take two hits on my wax Atomizer. I feel the cannabinoids hit me and carries me till my edible kicks in.
 
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Dabs can make me sweat and I can cough so hard I literally get paranoid I ruptured my innards. Can be extremely uncomfortable high for me. Also if I dabbed before noon you can pretty much count me out of society the rest of the day. I don't fully dislike it but two or three dabs a year is more than enough for me. So flower...
 
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GoldNBoy said:
Smoke the flower, & green dragon my trim.
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How do you use the green dragon. I tried s tincture but didn't like so much alcohol. So i purge till a concentrate snd dab it.
 
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I don't like
dealing with extremely hot parts while getting high.
over hitting, and being trapped in that painful lung pressure phase that just doesn't quit.
dealing with the stickiest substance in the known universe.

Other than that, dabs are great.
 
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The Terps said:
Dabs can make me sweat and I can cough so hard I literally get paranoid I ruptured my innards. Can be extremely uncomfortable high for me. Also if I dabbed before noon you can pretty much count me out of society the rest of the day. I don't fully dislike it but two or three dabs a year is more than enough for me. So flower...
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Dabs that makes you cough like that either

a. Not fully purged.
b. Not winterized to remove the clorophyll fats lipids and solids.

I Winterize my QWISO, and it doesnt make me cough at all.

The BHO i got from the dispensary makes me cough for a good minute or two. That is why i stopped buying shatter and dab my QWISO.
 
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Dunge said:
I don't like
dealing with extremely hot parts while getting high.
over hitting, and being trapped in that painful lung pressure phase that just doesn't quit.
dealing with the stickiest substance in the known universe.

Other than that, dabs are great.
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I don't use an oil rig. I use a clone of the Kiln wax Atomizer on a mod firing at 12.5 watts. They recommend 10-20 watts.

Hold down the fire button 2-3 seconds until you see the yellow/Amber vapor and take a drag.

I got the Xvape V-ONE wax atomizer. Its ok too.
 
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The Terps said:
Dabs can make me sweat and I can cough so hard I literally get paranoid I ruptured my innards. Can be extremely uncomfortable high for me. Also if I dabbed before noon you can pretty much count me out of society the rest of the day. I don't fully dislike it but two or three dabs a year is more than enough for me. So flower...
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Damn dude how big of a dab did you do? Lmao
You probally had some dirty dabs like 90% of thenpeople doing dabs.
Dirty dabs will instantly send me running for my inhaler
 
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@Two.Bears thanks but no. you don't know what I have inhaled don't assume I smoke swag cause I cough hard. I take small controlled flower rips. Any decent size dab will make me sweat and cough. 0 ppm winterized, rosin never tried alcohol based but co2 all the same big hash hits... lung collapsing sweats. Again I don't think they are bad but for me flower is preferred.
 
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Damn dude how big of a dab did you do? Lmao
You probally had some dirty dabs like 90% of thenpeople doing dabs.
Dirty dabs will instantly send me running for my inhaler
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Correct. A dab about the size of a grain of rice will give me 4-5 good drags on my wax Atomizer.
 
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Flower gets me high concentrates send me to the moon I prefer to stay slightly grounded. Like I said before I even take small flower hits. For example I typically inhale half to a third less flower then my buddies. I can get pretty sweaty from a milky bong rip which is also uncomfortable for ME. I also Hate to be drunk (won't do it) I like to drink a beer or shot or two but never excess it's just how I like to row my own boat.
 
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