Justiceman's grow: The quest for Resin

[GreenSociety]

Shit is sick as Fuck

 

[justiceman]

wk 7(day 49)

Wk 7(day 49)

Hey everyone so here is my week 7(day 49) update. Everything is going well. I just administered a heavy roots tea yesterday consisting of EWC, Guano(high P), molasses, and cal mag. The resin production is coming along just fine. The bud formation is also quite decent considering the obvious N deficiency. I am assuming that these strains finish at about 9 weeks. At least that is what my research online has told me. Plus a lot of the hairs are starting to turn orange. I know that trichomes are the true indication but hairs turning are one of the signs to start inspecting the trich's more thoroughly if I'm not mistaken. In any case I will probably start giving the GD only water from here on out and possibly give one or 2 more feeding's to the GC before I start giving her just water as she looks fairly flushed already. Let me know what you guys think! Here are some pictures for ya!

Family shot
http://i23.invalid.com/albums/b389/kingoflessthen3/wk7day499.jpg
http://i23.invalid.com/albums/b389/kingoflessthen3/Wk7day49.jpg
GD
http://i23.invalid.com/albums/b389/kingoflessthen3/Wk7day496.jpg
http://i23.invalid.com/albums/b389/kingoflessthen3/Wk7day492.jpg
GC
http://i23.invalid.com/albums/b389/kingoflessthen3/Wk7day494.jpg
http://i23.invalid.com/albums/b389/kingoflessthen3/Wk7day491.jpg
http://i23.invalid.com/albums/b389/kingoflessthen3/Wk7day495.jpg
http://i23.invalid.com/albums/b389/kingoflessthen3/Wk7day498.jpg

 

[supasticky]

Those are beautiful.

-Supa

 

[justiceman]

Those are beautiful.

-Supa

Thanks Supa! I am definitely loving the Resin production!.

Current Thoughts
So I have concluded that while Roots Organics is a great completely Raw and Organic nute line But it would be much more economical to actually just purchase the raw materials and make a tea like one does with Roots anyway. At one point the Schedule calls for 25ml of grow per gallon! or 25ml of bloom per gallon during the last few weeks before a week of plain water That starts to add up fast. The base nutes are light in them selves so the additives are necessary to even bump up the nutes to "acceptable" ranges. However even though I followed the guide for the most part I still underfed my plants. That means I should have used even more of the nutrients. They are quite costly in terms of dosage requirements. Great stuff but far to expensive for it being Raw materials in my opinion.

Brief Summary and Ideas for next Grow
So Next grow I am going to try out some new things. I am still just a beginner so I figure I should try out a slight variety of things to see what I like best.

In my first grow(no journal) I ran Fox Farms Ocean Forest with Puravida base nutes, along with LK, flora blend, bud-swell, cal mag, and molasses. Puravida Is definitely more on the economical side of nutes because potency of the nute is so high that you maybe need to follow about 1/3 of the recommended dose lol. Not to mention that the Puravida contained all necessary trace minerals and molasses(micro-blast deemed unnecessary with Puravida).

In my second grow you know that I am running Roots Organics soil with their whole nutrient line, cal mag, micro-blast, molasses, and cannazym. So far the quality looks to be quite good. The only thing I have to complain about Roots Organics is the PRICE, but other then that If you willing to shell out the extra bucks It's a cool prepackaged compost tea nutrient line pre-proportioned for ya.

Now for my third grow I am aiming to jump into the world of pure Coco Coir. In my current grow the Roots Organics soil is a coco peat based medium. I believe It's mostly coco so I got my feet slightly moist, but now I will dive straight into coco coir. I plan on using Canna Coco possibly amended with some coco croutons for aeration, and Pure Blend Pro base nutes. The roots soil is decent but In my opinion it didn't offer enough aeration even though it seemed to have a generous amount of perlite. It is way to compact now and it never dried out as fast as I wanted it to. I hear that Coco is good about keeping air in the medium, especially If I amend it with coco croutons. I like the fact that coco comes with nothing in it so I can start a light feeding right away. I have heard good things about Pure Blend Pro nutes, and they are suppose to work well with coco. So that's my plan. Pure Blend Pro and Canna coco next run.:volcano:

 

[justiceman]

Sup guys Just wanted to throw up this horizon shot for ya.
http://i23.invalid.com/albums/b389/kingoflessthen3/wk7day513.jpg

 

[Rushoe]

Shit look sick bro....But isn't the Green Crack a 42 47 day strain????

 

[justiceman]

Thanks rush. Ya I have heard the GC is one of those 45 day(6 weeks and 3 days) strains, but you have to consider that with my N problems and such It wasn't dialed in perfectly. Every time you have a problem it usually sets back the harvest time a little bit because recovery time is added. Although I did just look a strain guide and it said that GC is a 50- 55 day(7 weeks 6 days) strain. I think maturing times really vary depending on grow room conditions as well. To be honest I hear that most strains really don't finish in under 8 weeks. A 7 week strain is fast and a 6 week strain is probably almost unheard of at least unheard of to me yet.

 

[mickmick]

damn grabin a six pack and sittin back with sum nacho for this one.... i cant wait to see harvest... u are postin pics of harvest right?

 

[justiceman]

damn grabin a six pack and sittin back with sum nacho for this one.... i cant wait to see harvest... u are postin pics of harvest right?

Rest assured mickmick I am most definitely posting pictures of harvest In fact I'll probably post a lot of pictures. I am excited to see what the nugs look like after a trim job!

Just as a side note for everyone: Feel free to ask any questions you have about my set up or nutrient usage. Id be glad to discuss them.

 

[Shady]

Everything is looking absolutely great for a fat harvest!!! I've got a couple Q's... I'm thinking if gettin' a 4x8 tent to hold my 3x3 tray and another 4x4 tray... Then my 600 and a 1K could go over both trays in a staggered harvest (one tray would be 4 or 5 wks behind the other). Do you like your tent and is there a good 4x8 that will hold Botanicare's trays or would a 5x10 tent be necessary? I believe you were researching and comparing brands... :wondering

Also, do you think a 450 cfm can fan would be sufficient for both hoods or would an active intake also be necessary? Ahhh growing pains... :D

 

[Raiderfan420]

Great colors man. Very nice!!

 

[justiceman]

Great colors man. Very nice!!

Thanks raider I definitely like the colors as well. I have to admit I was skeptical whether the GD was going to turn purple or not but She definitely has:rock

Everything is looking absolutely great for a fat harvest!!! I've got a couple Q's... I'm thinking if gettin' a 4x8 tent to hold my 3x3 tray and another 4x4 tray... Then my 600 and a 1K could go over both trays in a staggered harvest (one tray would be 4 or 5 wks behind the other). Do you like your tent and is there a good 4x8 that will hold Botanicare's trays or would a 5x10 tent be necessary? I believe you were researching and comparing brands... :wondering

Also, do you think a 450 cfm can fan would be sufficient for both hoods or would an active intake also be necessary? Ahhh growing pains... :D

Ya man I cannot wait to harvest and cure. Then to start up my next run with the new knowledge I have gained from this one. Not to mention my new adventure into coco as well.


I have a Growlab tent and I definitely like it. The only thing I have to complain about is the zipper teeth are heavy duty plastic. It seems to be sturdy, but the Secret jardin has metal teeth. I think they might even be the same people(different style tent though in terms of openings). Their also exists Hydrohut. Those are basically the big three that are supposedly the best. You can also acquire cheaper tents off eBay that even state they don't have off gassing but you really have to look at what vent holes sizes are on the tent and where they are located depending on where you want the tent you know? I would personally rather go to a hydro store because the ones I happen to go to have them set up so you can really inspect the tent. Look at the stitches, make sure it has ceiling support bars to hang your light, carbon filter ect. Make sure to get a tent that has vents that go up to at least 6 inch but have a type of tie so you can close it on ducting. My growlab vents goes up to 8 inches I believe.

The 3x3 tray will fit perfectly in a 4 x 8. The 4x4 tray, well lets just say It might be a really tight squeeze. In fact I am unsure if it will fit or not. You may want to get a 5x10 If you want to comfortably put the 4x4 in, but you might be able to stretch out the side of a 4 x 8 tent walls to fit a 4 x 4 tray. It depends on whether you want to risk it or not IMHO. Could go either way. Id probably get a 5 x 10 If I wanted to throw a 4 x 4 tray in just to be safe. I like being safe.

When you say 450cfm fan for both hoods. Do you mean a 450 cfm fan for cooling the hoods alone and then a separate exhaust for the tent? Or do you plan to exhaust through the hoods? Either way with a tent that size I would definitely recommend active intake on one of the bottom vent holes. Even my 4 x 4 sucks in a litte. I need to put a smaller booster fan or something smaller on it for active intake myself. If you plan on using the 450 alone to cool the lights it will suck the heat for sure, but then you would need a separate inline fan for exhaust preferably stronger I believe.

I personally have my 4x4 set up like this:
400cfm exhaust fan with a speed controller(setting: Medium) Then I have ducting running from one side of the tent out the other where a booster is pulling the hot air out. It's supposed to be 188cfm. I think it boosts that amount if hooked to an inline fan though. Its actual CFM is probably lower.
(Carbon filter attached to exhaust)
http://i23.invalid.com/albums/b389/kingoflessthen3/IMG_1766.jpg
(exhaust fan sitting on top of the tent)
http://i23.invalid.com/albums/b389/kingoflessthen3/IMG_1783.jpg
(setting: medium. I am assuming that means it would be 133cfm if It's running at 1/3 of 400cfm)
http://i23.invalid.com/albums/b389/kingoflessthen3/IMG_1781.jpg
(Separate ducting attached to booster outside tent)
http://i23.invalid.com/albums/b389/kingoflessthen3/IMG_1768.jpg
(booster outside tent)
http://i23.invalid.com/albums/b389/kingoflessthen3/IMG_1771.jpg

So if you have a 5x10 that would be 350 cubic ft. In theory you need a fan that can exhaust the room in your tent once every minute, but if temps are hot then some people exchange the air in their rooms 3-5 times per minute. I personally exchange not much over 1 time per minute at the moment because temps are cool but I got a fan with extra CFM in case I have to vent faster. My fan is 400 and I have it set at the beginning of medium, so If I divide it in 3rds I should technically be using about 133 cfm for exhaust. A 450 cfm inline should be able to exhaust the tent but when summer comes along unless you have a/c I am not sure If it will cut it or not especially If you plan on running it through the lights as well.

In a tent that size I believe it is advised to have separate fans for exhaust, intake, and cooling the lights, but this is only based on research I have done. No hard experience except for my 4x4x7 tent. Hope that helped a bit for ya Shady. Mad respect for you detailed posts and dedication. Inspirational indeed.

Just had to throw up these current pictures for ya. My camera decided to be less glitchy today. I still need to buy a new one, but I would rather invest in a bigger hood first.
http://i23.invalid.com/albums/b389/kingoflessthen3/wk7day52.jpg
GD
http://i23.invalid.com/albums/b389/kingoflessthen3/wk7day529.jpg
GC
http://i23.invalid.com/albums/b389/kingoflessthen3/wk7day527.jpg

 

[R. Face]

looks great to me man, all done it looks. Pistils dyed back and all...nice..

 

[justiceman]

Thanks R face. They are definitely practically ready. I want to let them go slightly longer though. The trichs are still clear and milky. I want a slight amount of amber. Just very slightly

 

[R. Face]

good eye...always best to check them trichs.

 

[Shady]

Damn Justiceman that was a great and detailed response. I like the photos as well! The plants are looking fabulous...

Yeah, IDK... Seems like I should just get a 5x10. I want it to be very durable and good quality. I agree that I'm going to need to understand what the most efficient setup is... One like yours with a separate ducting for the hoods vs the carbon filter or one that combines both like my current setup. I'm running my fans 24hrs a day with only a 1 hr break at night... I don't see how the fan can be off during the day as the air cooled hoods need continous cooling. I was thinking the 450 cfm fan could exhaust 2 hoods chained in series with a carbon filter on the end.

 

[R. Face]

Hey Shad-E, if you get a tent, maybe try to get a Secret Jardin or find one, they were the ones made before the new GroLabs...they are the same company and this new one is supposed to be superior. Which it looks def as good or better than the Secret Jardin I have, I have the Dr120 thats 4x4. I didnt know the Grolabs had the plastic zipper...wierd actually. Idk why they would think they were better? Maybe they are?

I just know they are good tents. They work perfect with my situation and I can even have 2 t5-s going on 18-6 and have the tent on 12/12 in the same room and have no issue with light leaks. I check before and after every grow..

 

[justiceman]

Damn Justiceman that was a great and detailed response. I like the photos as well! The plants are looking fabulous...

Yeah, IDK... Seems like I should just get a 5x10. I want it to be very durable and good quality. I agree that I'm going to need to understand what the most efficient setup is... One like yours with a separate ducting for the hoods vs the carbon filter or one that combines both like my current setup. I'm running my fans 24hrs a day with only a 1 hr break at night... I don't see how the fan can be off during the day as the air cooled hoods need continous cooling. I was thinking the 450 cfm fan could exhaust 2 hoods chained in series with a carbon filter on the end.

Oh no my exhaust is on 24/7. When I say you should be able to exhaust your room at least once a minute it means it should take that long for your fan to exchange the air out of the room as long as its running so that would mean 24/7 if you always wanted your room ventilated. My light cooling fan is only on when the light is on.

So if you exhaust through your lights and a carbon filter you would definitely want it on 24/7. You can just give it a try with what you have and then only upgrade if you need to. I mean I honestly haven't tried your way. It could be more efficient since it cuts the light cooling fan out and should cool the lights while exhausting and filtering the air. Interesting.

I forgot to mention that the Grow lab indeed has some slight stitching light leaks. Thanks for reminding me R Face. My buddy has a secret jardin 4x4 with no light leaks. I would go with the Secret Jardin.

R face the Zipper itself is metal, but the zipper teeth are heavy duty plastic. It seems pretty durable, but I would rather have metal.

 

[Shady]

Very nice info... Thx RF and thx for letting me hijack your thread again Justiceman! :) BTW I'm gonna listen to you guys and not repot my plants this late into bloom... :D

 

[winta]

it seems as if u are fufilling your quest my friend!