• Home
  • Forums
  • Medical Cannabis Cultivation
  • Growroom Design & Setup
  • L.E.D Grow Lights
  • L.E.D. Argument Thread For Dummies:)

L.E.D. Argument Thread For Dummies:)

  • Thread starter Thread starter 1diesel1
  • Start date Start date Feb 11, 2021
  • Tagged users Tagged users None

L.E.D. Argument Thread For Dummies:)

1diesel1 Feb 11, 2021 1,265 Replies 161,317 Views
Page 40 of 64 · Replies 781–800 of 1,266
Prev
  • 1
  • …
  • 38
  • 39
  • 40
  • 41
  • 42
  • …
  • 64
Next
First Prev 40 of 64 Next Last

PiffinOut

Posts
116
Reactions
138
Joined
Feb 12, 2021
Points
43
Feb 27, 2021
#781
RippedTorn said:
Crypto currency doesn't do shit but help governments launder blackmail money they owe each other.

Yall wonder why America has a fucking religious empire solely dedicated to scamming old people and sending their money to Israel? Ask Ghislane.
Click to expand...
One oculd argue the dollar does more of that than crypto. Lets get off politics and finance. T
Kanzeon said:
I'd say it depends on the shape of the grow space!

For my flower spot, 2x6 right now, I think that it would likely be LED bars, but be placed at intersecting angles for maximum exposure. Facing down is nice, but there's potential for more exposure to light in a waved pattern.
Click to expand...
Can you elaborate what you mean by "Facing down is nice, but there's potential for more exposure to light in a waved pattern."
 
Reactions: Kanzeon
Quote Reply

Oldman13

Posts
645
Reactions
615
Joined
Sep 28, 2020
Points
93
Feb 27, 2021
#782
MIGrampaUSA said:
I'll use Miracle-Gro products outside, in the vegetable garden. Only Fox Farm comes into the house for my indoor grows. which I like. I've also used FFOF, which I like even better than Happy Frog.
Click to expand...
And yes I use Happy Frog soil but I mix Coco coir chips with it
Oldman13 said:
It's Miracle somebody understands Miracle Grow... after all it has time release in Miracle-Gro which will be released at the wrong time,,, and I believe in fox farm products majority of the time
Click to expand...
I use Happy Frog soil but I mix Coco coir chips with it so it goes longer holds more moisture and air in the soil..... I swear to God you make one wrong move and here like I miss your mark by 1 thousands of an inch it then takes you to Timbuktu. And it takes me 5 minutes to find where I was if I can ever find it again gee whiz
 
Quote Reply

Oldman13

Posts
645
Reactions
615
Joined
Sep 28, 2020
Points
93
Feb 27, 2021
#783
Oldman13 said:
Recap.. about Miracle-Gro having some kind of suspended animation bugs in it I will find that one hard to believe... I guess in some people's world it could have! But if it did in reality I think the whole world would know about that pretty quick! Something like that would be hard to keep a lid on! Unless I misread what you said which is feasible.
Click to expand...
Oldman13 said:
And yes I use Happy Frog soil but I mix Coco coir chips with it I use Happy Frog soil but I mix Coco coir chips with it so it goes longer holds more moisture and air in the soil..... I swear to God you make one wrong move and here like I miss your mark by 1 thousands of an inch it then takes you to Timbuktu. And it takes me 5 minutes to find where I was if I can ever find it again gee whiz
Click to expand...
Oh yeah if I did say Miracle Grow had some kind of a bug in it I wouldn't use it on anything I mean anything anything at all ever... needless to say I don't use Miracle Grow mainly because of the time release food... I just don't seem to need an overabundance of nitrogen to be released into my budding plants... Oh my God just even think of it having some type of creepy crawling little bug inside of it would scare the hell out of me
 
Quote Reply

PiffinOut

Posts
116
Reactions
138
Joined
Feb 12, 2021
Points
43
Feb 27, 2021
#784
JJS009 said:
You want argument, here we go:

If you have a plug in watt meter please try this experiment and report your results.

plug in just the driver and report watts

plug driver into light board and report watts

then we can discuss how “watts from the wall per sqft” doesn’t mean shit but everyone seems to like to use it for pissing matches every day
Click to expand...
when i used to frequent the plantedtank and barrreport forums the members on those aquarium forums would send each other a a a forum sponsored or forum donated par meter to test all their fixtures in a uniform manner and post results for the forum to dissect.

Perhaps the elders in the group should collectively come together and purchase or source a donoation device to do this and lend it between various respected longterm forum users who are at a low risk for pocketing the par meter. Im suprised you havent convinced site sponsors to supply atleast one PAR device to measure PPFDs for you guys to use collectively amongst the respected elder members. You could trade and send through the mail to each other to learn and use and analyze different lighting setups and then the forum would be alot better off.

This strategy of forum sharing and learning worked great in supporting the fishkeeping community more knowledgable, well informed and truthful.
 
Reactions: the rrock
Quote Reply

Oldman13

Posts
645
Reactions
615
Joined
Sep 28, 2020
Points
93
Feb 27, 2021
#785
Oldman13 said:
Quite honestly doesn't seem that where I'm at in th farmer I always feel like I'm in the same place lost I could have swore I posted a comment on this China crap cuz that's what it is trying to crap
LOL output.. SF 1000 output 2-foot by 2-foot area I believe it says kind of sucks if you ask meView attachment 1096995
Click to expand...
 
Quote Reply

Oldman13

Posts
645
Reactions
615
Joined
Sep 28, 2020
Points
93
Feb 27, 2021
#786
PiffinOut said:
when i used to frequent the plantedtank and barrreport forums the members on those aquarium forums would send each other a a a forum sponsored or forum donated par meter to test all their fixtures in a uniform manner and post results for the forum to dissect.

Perhaps the elders in the group should collectively come together and purchase or source a donoation device to do this and lend it between various respected longterm forum users who are at a low risk for pocketing the par meter. Im suprised you havent convinced site sponsors to supply atleast one PAR device to measure PPFDs for you guys to use collectively amongst the respected elder members. You could trade and send through the mail to each other to learn and use and analyze different lighting setups and then the forum would be alot better off.

This strategy of forum sharing and learning worked great in supporting the fishkeeping community more knowledgable, well informed and truthful.
Click to expand...
Last time I used a plug-in wattmeter oh my God this is watt happened~~>
 

Attachments

  • 0227212044.mp4
    12.3 MB
Reactions: JJS009
Quote Reply

LaVirtue

Posts
128
Reactions
187
Joined
Feb 18, 2021
Points
43
Feb 27, 2021
#787
Oldman13 said:
I guess that would depend on what you think 2000 means in SF 2000 ! .. it really means is that this fixture holds to SF 1000 Lights and I'm pretty sure that a sf-1000 doesn't draw a thousand watts of electricity either
Click to expand...

Oldman13 said:
I guess that would depend on what you think 2000 means in SF 2000 ! .. it really means is that this fixture holds to SF 1000 Lights and I'm pretty sure that a sf-1000 doesn't draw a thousand watts of electricity either
Click to expand...

It’s funny but I never thought much about the name SF1000, SF2000, etc. I thought it was just the model number
 
Reactions: Oldman13
Quote Reply

Oldman13

Posts
645
Reactions
615
Joined
Sep 28, 2020
Points
93
Feb 27, 2021
#788
Oldman13 said:
Last time I used a plug-in wattmeter oh my God this is watt happened~~>
Click to expand...
It was exhilarating and I must do it again sometime:-) :-) :-)
 
Quote Reply

Oldman13

Posts
645
Reactions
615
Joined
Sep 28, 2020
Points
93
Feb 27, 2021
#789
Oldman13 said:
It was exhilarating and I must do it again sometime:-) :-) :-)
Click to expand...
Oh my God I just realized I'm out of hash!...... Well at least I tumbled then separated some trichomes just the other day so oh, so all I have to do is press it, that's not easy part
 
Reactions: Moshmen
Quote Reply

Oldman13

Posts
645
Reactions
615
Joined
Sep 28, 2020
Points
93
Feb 27, 2021
#790
Oldman13 said:
Oh my God I just realized I'm out of hash!...View attachment 1097035... Well at least I tumbled then separated some trichomes just the other day so oh, so all I have to do is press it, that's not easy part
Click to expand...
Typo correction... Damn it was supposed to say it is the easy part!
 
Quote Reply

Oldman13

Posts
645
Reactions
615
Joined
Sep 28, 2020
Points
93
Feb 27, 2021
#791
Oldman13 said:
Typo correction... Damn it was supposed to say it is the easy part!
Click to expand...
Tumbling it then separating the tumbled trichomes twice that's the hard part that's where all the work and time is consumed... I mean it's easier to make dab but damn cost money to make and I don't really like smoking dab, by itself so I do make it I put it back and make (super hash) putting back the the extract it's where it's at...
 
Quote Reply

PiffinOut

Posts
116
Reactions
138
Joined
Feb 12, 2021
Points
43
Feb 27, 2021
#792
MIGrampaUSA said:
Watts from the wall allow you to see if the lighting manufacturer is misrepresenting their product ... For example, the light produces 2000w worth of light but when you read the small print, it's only pulling 200w from the wall. It's not to be used as a gauge to judge a quality light. Only a starting point as to even consider buying it when a manufacturer is making such absurd claims. It's not a measurement of how much light it puts out.

PPFD is usually what we're looking for in determining how good a light might be.
Click to expand...
Agreed. Going further, not only just PPFD, but healthy plant specific spectrum, and canopy penetration are the three things in general care about with general lighting Ive found for both horticulture and aquascaping. A fourth would be efficiency.
 
Reactions: LaVirtue, Mr.GreenthumbOG and Aqua Man
Quote Reply

Aqua Man

Posts
26,479
Reactions
59,693
Joined
Jun 12, 2018
Points
638
Feb 27, 2021
#793
PiffinOut said:
Agreed. Going further, not only just PPFD, but healthy plant specific spectrum, and canopy penetration are the three things in general care about with general lighting Ive found for both horticulture and aquascaping. A fourth would be efficiency.
Click to expand...
Imo intensity trumps all in terms of yield... spectrum next in terns of structure... penetration... well not really a thing IMO. green penetrates well and any full spectrum has plenty. Efficacy matter on scale but is also important for heat
 
Reactions: LaVirtue, PiffinOut, Mr.GreenthumbOG and 2 others
Quote Reply

gorillaglueaaron

Supporter
🦍
Posts
2,159
Reactions
2,718
Joined
Oct 21, 2020
Points
263
Feb 27, 2021
#794
Aqua Man said:
Imo intensity trumps all in terms of yield... spectrum next in terns of structure... penetration... well not really a thing IMO. green penetrates well and any full spectrum has plenty. Efficacy matter on scale but is also important for heat
Click to expand...
Not an opinion, that's a fact.

But intensity doesn't actually mean anything. Any light can give you 1000 ppfd but most only in the middle and will burn the plant. Efficacy + coverage = overall intensity which is important.
 
Reactions: LaVirtue, PiffinOut and Aqua Man
Quote Reply

Aqua Man

Posts
26,479
Reactions
59,693
Joined
Jun 12, 2018
Points
638
Feb 27, 2021
#795
gorillaglueaaron said:
Not an opinion, that's a fact.

But intensity doesn't actually mean anything. Any light can give you 1000 ppfd but most only in the middle and will burn the plant. Efficacy + coverage = overall intensity which is important.
Click to expand...
Not really... intensity is the photon density.. efficacy has to do with how much electric energy is converted to photons... you can increase density by distance or adding another light. You can have an extremely efficient light that is not close enough and thus low intensity. Intensity imo means the most but yes even coverage is important. This is where cobs do better at a further distance and steips closer... then the amount of light bleed or loss also need to be looked at when trying to optimize coverage.

This is why I feel the more diodes at a lower wattage has a large advantage because they can be kept close and really reduce the amount of light lost.
 
Reactions: Grownsince95, LaVirtue, Moshmen and 2 others
Quote Reply

Oldman13

Posts
645
Reactions
615
Joined
Sep 28, 2020
Points
93
Feb 27, 2021
#796
Moshmen said:
U said Mars! Lmao
Click to expand...
Mister Martian how does feel 2 live in a Sub-Zero climate at times? Brushing that red dust off of your plants daily must become an irritant at times?! Hurricane Creek what I was looking for the best thing to use in my grow rooms to reflect light back towards my plants, it told me white flat paint which I never heard about in the past. And also diffusers the light for you personally I've never really experienced hotspots but I guess that's why people diffuse and don't use mirrors anyway that's what I use basic white flat paint seems to work just fine... Not gloss not semi-gloss but flat white paint.... prior to that I don't know if you guys knew what aluminum sheeting is ? Butt it is used to cover air conditioning ductwork on a roof that's what I recently started out with it's not real smooth so it's got a diffusion built into it and to be honest I see no difference between that and the white flat paint I use now! Except maybe the price!.. but I inherited my aluminum sheeting from when I was a roofer in California and I hung on to it for years , until I was able to use it here where I'm at now,. Originally I covered the inside of my makeshift Grow rooms and outer walls built out of aluminum scaffolding. So not only is flat white paint easier to put on some cheaper if you had to buy the aluminum sheeting I'm sure it would be a fortune easy make that other stuff is a lot cheaper if you don't want to use white paint although the white flat paint Works excellent
 
Quote Reply

gorillaglueaaron

Supporter
🦍
Posts
2,159
Reactions
2,718
Joined
Oct 21, 2020
Points
263
Feb 27, 2021
#797
Aqua Man said:
Not really... intensity is the photon density.. efficacy has to do with how much electric energy is converted to photons... you can increase density by distance or adding another light. You can have an extremely efficient light that is not close enough and thus low intensity. Intensity imo means the most but yes even coverage is important. This is where cobs do better at a further distance and steips closer... then the amount of light bleed or loss also need to be looked at when trying to optimize coverage.

This is why I feel the more diodes at a lower wattage has a large advantage because they can be kept close and really reduce the amount of light lost.
Click to expand...
I agree with you but I think you're confusing efficacy and efficiency. The efficiency is how much electric energy is converted to photons but efficacy is how many photons are produced.
 
Reactions: Aqua Man
Quote Reply

Kanzeon

Posts
1,899
Reactions
6,604
Joined
Jun 12, 2019
Points
263
Feb 27, 2021
#798
PiffinOut said:
Can you elaborate what you mean by "Facing down is nice, but there's potential for more exposure to light in a waved pattern."
Click to expand...

Think about looking at a quantum board from the side. Instead of the lights facing straight down, I'm talking about the same number of led's in bars that are shaped like a 35 degree inverted V to create lights that intersect at a 90 degree angle. Maybe even hinged together to be able to curve like a wooden rope bridge.

Ugh I'm going to have to learn how to build a light eventually. I can feel it now.
 
Reactions: PiffinOut and Aqua Man
Quote Reply

Aqua Man

Posts
26,479
Reactions
59,693
Joined
Jun 12, 2018
Points
638
Feb 27, 2021
#799
gorillaglueaaron said:
I agree with you but I think you're confusing efficacy and efficiency. The efficiency is how much electric energy is converted to photons but efficacy is how many photons are produced.
Click to expand...
It's the same... how many photons are produced per watt
 
Reactions: Kanzeon
Quote Reply

gorillaglueaaron

Supporter
🦍
Posts
2,159
Reactions
2,718
Joined
Oct 21, 2020
Points
263
Feb 27, 2021
#800
Aqua Man said:
It's the same... how many photons are produced per watt
Click to expand...
I'm going to have to disagree with you there.

Efficacy: noun "the ability to produce a desired or intended result."

To put that into our example, the ability to produce light. I don't see how that could be interpreted as the ability to produce light given a certain wattage.
 
Reactions: Aqua Man
Quote Reply
Page 40 of 64 · Replies 781–800 of 1,266
Prev
  • 1
  • …
  • 38
  • 39
  • 40
  • 41
  • 42
  • …
  • 64
Next
First Prev 40 of 64 Next Last

Thread info

Replies 1,265
Views 161,317
Started Feb 11, 2021
Latest post Sep 14, 2025
Starter 1diesel1
Forum L.E.D Grow Lights

Latest posts

  • Recommendations for nutrients growing outside in soil
    • Latest: Jmaes Mabley
    • 9 minutes ago
    Nutrients and Fertilizers
  • Dry Sift Hash Maturation Process.
    • Latest: GNick55
    • 17 minutes ago
    Concentrates & Processing
  • Dolomite Lime: Did I buy the right stuff?
    • Latest: Jmaes Mabley
    • 23 minutes ago
    Nutrients and Fertilizers
  • H
    future 1 fat bastard wild berry moon rocks
    • Latest: harleyrider
    • 24 minutes ago
    Cannabis Photography
  • G
    Mars Hydro API reverse engineered
    • Latest: Gonnnn
    • Yesterday at 11:35 PM
    Growroom Design & Setup
  • Home
  • Forums
  • Medical Cannabis Cultivation
  • Growroom Design & Setup
  • L.E.D Grow Lights
  • L.E.D. Argument Thread For Dummies:)
  • Contact us
  • Terms and rules
  • Privacy policy
  • Help
  • Home
Community platform by XenForo® © 2010-2026 XenForo Ltd.
Menu
Log in

Sign up

  • Home
  • News
  • Forums
    • What's new Featured content New posts New Articles New articles New products Latest activity
  • Social
  • Strains
  • Live
  • Learn
  • Brands
X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?

X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?