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Lack of Vertical Integration Will Kill the Basement Grower

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Lack of Vertical Integration Will Kill the Basement Grower

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#101
NaturalTherapy said:
So long as it fucks them up, then yes I think quality is of little concern to most consumers. If alcohol users are any example anyway... And it comes down to what most folks can afford. Most can only afford mid grade consumer products at any level, why would their drugs be different?
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yep, especially when most are pretty broke already...but wave some super funk under their nose and watch it dissappear..just have to have the best heirloom tomatoes at the farmer's market.
 
#102
squiggly said:
That's a different type of business entirely, you're showing your lack of prowess with economic science here.



I have to disagree, you've fallen victim to the same oversimplification. All business ventures and revenues are not created equally.
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I didn't oversimplify anything- I asked a simple question. You're the one who attacked it.
 
#103
ttystikk said:
I didn't oversimplify anything- I asked a simple question. You're the one who attacked it.
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No attack intended--I'm just saying that comparing apples and oranges isn't spot on.

That comparison was more like apples and Siberian tiger cubs.

<3 you bro :)
 
#104
It's not a comparison! It's a simple question, Squig! Sometimes you overanalyze things- the question is, with all this going on, where does it all leave us? And yes- by and large, we Farmers represent a cross section of the quality growers.
 
#105
ttystikk said:
It's not a comparison! It's a simple question, Squig! Sometimes you overanalyze things- the question is, with all this going on, where does it all leave us? And yes- by and large, we Farmers represent a cross section of the quality growers.
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I was referring to your reply to Ohiofarmer's comparison (of walmart to this situation and his discussion of revenues) of "spot on". When it comes to produce/plant material, if people buy it it means they like it generally speaking.

However, you're right. It's not "sometimes" its ALL the time that I overanalyze things. That's my brain for ya. I wish I could turn it off sometimes myself.

The answer is it leaves us in a lot of places--as you said the farm is a "cross section".
 
#108
Hey speaking of Canadian beasters- there's a great article in rolling stone this month. Weed Boss. Great story. might give you a little perspective on big weed business. And it might not lol...:)
 
#109
The trick for me is not to worry at all about where prices are or where they are goin, who really cares anyways, I grow..while everyone is trying to read tea leaves on prices, there is another faction out here that is just crankin it out very day every way and lookin for other opprotunities to grow and expand...people that take the risk are goin to get the long term financial rewards ..period...just like every other business in the world that is commodity driven..the timid sit on the sidelines full of negative speculation and complaining...while the true entrepreneurs and risk takers are hangin it out there in the wind and bettin on the come line..same as it has been for hundreds of years in every business out there, if was easy, everyone would be doin it..

Great growers rarely have the balls or the entrepreneurial spirit to take it to the next commercial level in order to take advantage of the next thing over the horizon, most are governed by fear....got to be fluid, quick to adapt, and fearless.

Another thing to keep in mind is that even a small basement grow, provided your on your game, you get down to the $28-$32 per once in total production cost, roughly $400-$500 per lb or a little less..so where is your break even? where is your profit margin? is $1500 a lb enough margin for ya? I don't know...its plenty and then some in my book. Im just sayin, I've been in alot of different industires and none of them have those kind of margins, not even close...I really get a kick out of people nettin $1500-$1700 pure profit per pound, not paying taxes, and complaining about where the price is or where it is goin or how they are gettin screwed somehow by big business...gimme a break...everyone dances around the fact that they are all tax evaders but complain about the counter prices of the retailers that are paying millions in taxes and regulatory requirements to keep their doors open..

Pay it no mind and keep on keepin on..I promise ya that none of ya are in the shit I am in with the state right now but ya want to know what my reaction was? I quadrupled or more all my efforts and am doin more today than I ever have and have more irons in the fire than ever...I'm a grower

Same people that mine gold at $1800 where the same folks that were minin it at $300..they're miners, thats what they do...
 
#112
very well put tk kinda like a professional athlete taking a pay cut from $30 million a year to 20, how much do you need to survive ?
 
#113
You know that mechanics can not work on peoples cars in their driveway..that's a home base business and requires a business license and tax number, doesn't matter that your doin it after work to make a few extra bucks....technically you can't change your own oil in your driveway and I know people that have been ticketed for it...

I am curious how many basement growers would think it was so great if they had to actaully register as a home base business, pay for permitting, pay for inspections, pay to bring your grow to code, pay taxes on ALL sales, and pay for a state issued license...any takers? probably not many
 
#114
outwest said:
I'm not assuming anything. You are putting words in my mouth. I understand that most Americans prefer shitty beer. Like I keep saying the big beer guys attempts at producing craft beers have been miserable. They have all the funding, research, and most importantly marketing dollars. They still can't brew craft beer.

outwest
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Yes, but they have enough resources and money to buy the "Cup", an they will tell the masses that Miller Lite wins taste competitions all over the world... like Arjan...
 
#116
For all the shit I talk about dispensaries I had to stop at one yesterday coincidentally and found some "Fire" clinic on wadsworth it was strawberry cough did exactly what I asked for , put a smile on my face. Reminded me of the is it the same syndrome because if I have to go again il go there and ill ask for strawberry cough and when I see it and smell it I have a feeling I'm going to say "is it the same"
 
#117
sanvanalona said:
Not quite sure what you mean by this. I have never had CO dispensary bud, but I am sure there are amazing things out there....isn't there? As far as what is better, cali or co, apples and oranges you know? But yeah I am in Cali at the moment. Nor cal to be exact.
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Do Cali people complain about Cali dispensaries the. Way we complain about Colorado dispensaries?
 
#118
I kinda few top notch cannabis like organic produce at a farmers market..people go out of there way to pay sometimes 2-3x more for local organic produce..those people value there food so they are willing to pay for better product just like people that value there cannabis will..beer is a shitty comparison- be real, I'd say like 90% of drinkers care very very little about the quality of there booze..I valued beer very little so I wasn't willing to constantly look and then pay for craft brew...I'll drive an hour in the middle of the night for top notch bud tho

It's gonna be interesting to see the industry in 10yrs and should be pretty wild to watch!
 
#119
caveman4.20 said:
Do Cali people complain about Cali dispensaries the. Way we complain about Colorado dispensaries?
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Yeah for sure they do. Shit between the bugs and diseases that dispensaries give away with their clones its no surprise people are mostly growing a subpar product. The cali dispensaries have no intent on being medical at all, really they serve as a model of recreational pot clubs than anything else, no standards (except in the size of buds they are taking from you.......granted most places are no longer buying herb with pm but it is still out there. From what I have seen most clubs in cali are illlegitamate fronts for back door sales, fucking both the grower and consumer. Sure you can find some fire og or cookies at most any club, which is nice, but expect to pay over 55 and eigth for it. You guys are paying substantially lower rates in CO right?
 
#120
My two cents... If a huge corporate conglomerate wants to grow skunk1 in their 1000 acre batcave, let it be... Colorado has master brewers running small local taphouses; they are making millions in revenue. Coors and bud have seen a slight hurt in their revenue, hence a slight hurt, but they have came to light and realized a market shift and they want a piece of it too. They are currently trying to make a decent craft beer, but have failed miserably... Back to skunk1. A massive scale grow of skunk 1 is nothing more than skunk1... Yes, people will smoke it and purchase it from pmorris, but after morris fills it with nicotine, cyanide, chemotherapy, and whatever the hell else they use, people will grow displeasure. Then they will search for the fire and find it at their localmini fire greenhouse. Back to coors, I will gladly pay 10 bucks for a locally brewed craft beer that has a taste vs. a 3 dollar beer from coors or bud that has no taste. Small nationwide grows will have good urb and still get a decent price for it. Huge grows by morris will fail miserably when they try to cram a hundred growers together with 10000 pluckers/laborers, not to mention the ladies who have fits when conditions aint right, bananas, hermies, beans, lockout. A couple failed rounds by morris migh hurt. They will only grow skunk, maybe autos, who knows.......
 
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