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Yeah, you basically need to mainline top it....& keep any other growth you deem worthy if the even canopy is crucial.I saw a rig on a street light off of the freeway that gave me an idea. The street light bulbs that must be ten stories in the air are on a cable and pulley system. When the lights burn out they lower them down the pole to change them.
My problem with Scrog is that I would like to use it to Supercrop but there is no way to accurately gauge how much the stretch will be so the height is not always optimal for supercropping and having it rest on the top of the scrog.
When I get into my new place I am going to try building an adjustable height scrog out of pvc. That way I can adjust the height two weeks into the stretch and rest the supercropped stems on the scrog.
More like 8'. My goal was to keep everything a workable height, lower than 10'. I'm 5'1" tall, so a 10' tall plant on a slope like we have can be a real bitch to tend to.I see what you mean now...I didn't realize you meant "trees" literally lol, those are massive. Looks like almost 6'.
It was...sigh, I loved that car. But sadly, I have a seizure disorder that is hard to control. I've had 4 seizures while driving. If I had a seizure while driving that car, I'm not going to walk away. It's a 9 second car.
Construction speed would be a wash. In my case, anyway, if you were using those ratchet cutters, tapping the top rail, putting all the screws in it, tying the string etc. It's a plain table design on a level surface. I just cut all all the pieces, I have a nail gun, then just staple the trellis on (advantage to wood). It's just what you are used to, or setup to work with. If you don't have construction equipment, PVC is cheaper, lighter, simpler.
But now, in a 5x10, I'm just a hair over 5,000 watts....it's a lot of friggin light.
9 second sti lmfao world record sti huhYes sir...8" AMS. It's not made for the STI, the intercooler is stock, but we had to fab up all the connections.
It was...sigh, I loved that car. But sadly, I have a seizure disorder that is hard to control. I've had 4 seizures while driving. If I had a seizure while driving that car, I'm not going to walk away. It's a 9 second car.
I would make it out of PVC if I had a bunch of PVC laying around, but I don't. Plenty of copper & pex lol, but no PVC.
But i could build that frame just as fast as a PVC one. Same tools, plus I have nail guns. But the reason it's wood is just because I had 2x4 laying around, no other reason. For me, it's staying where it is, so the weight doesn't matter. Plus with the width I tried, I knew I was going to need to be able to stand on it. Next run, I'm going to make it 42" or so instead of 60".
Whenever I'm involved buddy, there is always whispers of "stud" ;)
No, because in the original post he wanted to make 5'x5's, & I said, with the layout he/she has, I would make several long scrogs. He has room to walk down all the aisles, so just make long thin ones. He said 3'x3' trays. I can see at least 6 of them, which = 18 ft. They don't actually look square, but I'm assuming he is accounting for the space in between. No PVC (single or two 9'ers) is going to span 18' without some intermittent T fittings to accommodate PVC "studs." 6' starts to get floppy, 18' will droop like an elderly testicle (how's that for an image lol) This is the best way to explain what I mean...
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I don't know how much the OP knows about construction. So if he followed my advice & just made several long PVC frames, & if is 16' - 18' or so, he will need support studs. If his top rail is like the picture above (blue arrow) he is going to need support studs below it (yellow arrows). A few simple T fittings on the bottom & top rail & it will be nice & sturdy. That's all. Unless you plan on standing on it, a 2x4 will span a much larger length.
If he is going to keep it at 5' he wouldn't need those.
Agreed. I meant if the span is large. But I prefer a single unit. E.g. Mine is 5'x10'. So I could have just made two 5'x5's, but then I have two pieces of structure running right down the middle of the scrog. That's prime real estate. Even if it's only blocking 3" x 60", that's just about 1.3 ft2 of prime real estate. If I can help it, I'm not going to lose 180", right in the middle of the space. It's not the end of the world, but it's less than ideal.
Construction speed would be a wash. In my case, anyway, if you were using those ratchet cutters, tapping the top rail, putting all the screws in it, tying the string etc. It's a plain table design on a level surface. I just cut all all the pieces, I have a nail gun, then just staple the trellis on (advantage to wood). It's just what you are used to, or setup to work with. If you don't have construction equipment, PVC is cheaper, lighter, simpler. @sedate I have no problem with PVC. I think PVC is the better option, it's just not what I had laying around. The little bit I did have, I ended up using to plumb the feed lines.
OP, this is pretty much correct^^. Including the corner pieces etc, you should be well under $50 per structure. I'm not sure where you got an estimate for $5k for parts. Maybe it's a typo? But that is a lot of friggin PVC dude lol. You can use this to give you an idea on price
http://www.homedepot.com/b/Plumbing-Pipes-Fittings-PVC-Pipe-Fittings/N-5yc1vZbuf5
If you have a chop saw it will save you a lot of time/aggravation over the ratchet cutters.
That design is more than stable enough for it's purpose there. But if he is going to be making a longer one, it's going to need to be designed a little bit different. The length of it would just need several T fittings to put in some PVC studs like the picture I put up.
Nice job on those brother. Super clean looking.
OP, once you build it, & I kind of described how you train for it, you should have many of these...which is where most of your production will come from. I can't even fit the whole length in the picture. I showed you above what they looked like before I flipped. But because of vegging & topping the way I do, once you get above the scrog, it looks more like a sog grow. These stalks like you see below, are about 36" long, & there are couple hundred of them. That's bascially the outcome you are shooting for. What you see below, in the end, will be all bud. It makes trimming much easier as well, as you have fewer "small bud" branches to deal with.
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I had an 03 wrx was a sweet ride even running 28 psi was running low 11s no stereo just big ass turbo and a ton of motor workAw thats a shame. Definately prolly better to have a more - sedate - car.
Make ya feel any better - this was in like 08 but it still stings a bit when I think about it - a crazy ex grabbed at the wheel through an intersection and got my 03 WRX slammed into a shitty '85 Tacoma at like 50.
As you might guess from my avatar though - all my money was in the stereo. :)
@Junk
I could quote through your post but its all so organized and thought out. I pretty much agree - and I def appreciate your thoughts regarding supporting larger structures - I will certainly give that some thought when it comes up again.
I guess I saw the OP talking 5x5 and you talking wood-working and got lil concerned.
I dunno. For some reason every time I fuck with wood it takes me hours. I try to avoid where I can. But like you said - what you are used to.
I tried a nailgun but it shot the nails through the PVC and I couldn't really get a clean durable tie-off with one.
I dunno if this will sound bad - but I only restring those trellis' every year or so..
So what PPM's are you running like that? You don't get a bleached out canopy? I have 6kw in my main grow room and usually I have them turned down to 60 - 75% lest I get a lil yellow burn circles under the bulbs..
I had an 03 wrx was a sweet ride even running 28 psi was running low 11s no stereo just big ass turbo and a ton of motor work
Trellis is cheap I cut it apart to make harvesting much easier and replace it every crop.
It's tenax hortanova 59inch trellis I get it on Amazon in rolls, it's really pretty cheap and works well. I have left it up and cut branches but it's easier for me to snip the netting and cut the whole plant at once. The wood supports are 59inch wide and 9ft long and fit around a 4x8 tray perfectly. I have 2 gavitas over each tray. I built 22 of those wood supports and got it down to about 25 minutes a piece to build. I used to build houses so I'm set up with tools to get it done quickly. Few hundred bucks on 10 ft 2x4 and the plywood was scrap from my buildout.Naw bone stock in the motor for me - the thing could break every speed limit in the country in 8 seconds regardless so...
I will say once I loaded up the trunk the turbo lag was noticeably more pronounced - and it was already pretty laggy from idle..
Honestly I thought the thing was really fast even after I dropped in a good 150lbs of amp-rack/MDF/JLAudio gear in the trunk + 2 cases of Dynamat Extreme - every door + trunk lid/liner/quarter panels...
Fucking best sounding coupe I've ever fucking had/heard.
Maybe I go buy a better car now imma missing it.
Anyway -
So are you running 4 or 8 Gavita's over each one of those trellis'?
Did you get those lil corner pieces pre-cut or did you have to make those?
Is that trellis you have stapled down just packaged plastic mesh?
Seriously? You can't just work your way down and out of the thing? Like I just clip branches down and pull them down and out..
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It's tenax hortanova 59inch trellis I get it on Amazon in rolls, it's really pretty cheap and works well. I have left it up and cut branches but it's easier for me to snip the netting and cut the whole plant at once. The wood supports are 59inch wide and 9ft long and fit around a 4x8 tray perfectly. I have 2 gavitas over each tray. I built 22 of those wood supports and got it down to about 25 minutes a piece to build. I used to build houses so I'm set up with tools to get it done quickly. Few hundred bucks on 10 ft 2x4 and the plywood was scrap from my buildout.
I really miss my wrx the ex wife took it in the divorce. Next fast car for me is probably gonna be a gtrYou know I read that and for some reason thought you meant you tore the entire trellis apart. Like the wood and shit too. I dunno wtf is wrong w me obviously you snip the netting... i dunno i was thinking about my old WRX I think :smoking:
I don't know where you get your world record info brother. I know other STI's doing 9's. Jay Perry out of Providence was doing 10's flat a couple years ago & it wasn't even on the final tune, not even close. Almost identical car as mine, destroked, sleeved, GT4094R, custom Kelford cams (the cams were made for both cars at the same time) 600# axles, 1300 cc injectors, 10k redline, AEM standalone unit with launch control, Exedy stage 5 clutch (triple disc) custom gearing, 620 Hp flat after 5k, all the way to 10K. (check the graph at the end of the vid) & all that power going to 4 wheels with 600# axles & launch control. Here is my car, my exact car. I haven't looked carefully but I might be in one of the vids for all I know...(correction, was my car :(9 second sti lmfao world record sti huh
Uh huh. Low 11's on street tires, no stereo, a "big ass turbo" & a ton of motor work. If you want to call me out, don't come half stepping. The car you describing doing low 11's is much more difficult to believe. I assume you had a cage...most tracks don't let you do those numbers without a cage. Seems like in trying to convey how fast your car was, you would probably interject "roll cage" before "I took out the radio."I had an 03 wrx was a sweet ride even running 28 psi was running low 11s no stereo just big ass turbo and a ton of motor work
It's way easier just to cut it out & replace it. The trellis he is using is like $7 for 50 ft^2Seriously? You can't just work your way down and out of the thing? Like I just clip branches down and pull them down and out..
You have balls of steel my friend. The best way I could describe my last STI was like riding a bike, the acceleration felt like bike acceleration...just instant...BAM! It was scary fast.Screw cars, sportbikes FTMFW!!!!
I know the old saying, there's no replacement for displacement, but power to weight reigns supreme.
Did a 9.98 on my old moded 2004 cbr 1000rr all motor. But doing 140mph while hanging off and dragging a knee on a sweeper is better than growing and better than sex.
Damn junk you dont f around. Like you said I've seen tons of people claiming 10 sec cars and then I annihilate them with an 11 second car. Yes Ali ashifar or whatever his name is in the 7 or 8 seconds range now. For a road legal wrx to do 9s has got to be near record status. To be honest I haven't paid much attention to the car scene since I lost my wrx 8 years ago and at that time there were very few running sub 10 sec. Respect man you are are one of the few people I actually believe. When I was modding my wrx was back in like 04 or 05 it was a long time ago and I don't even remember everything I did to it. I know I had to have a some stuff custom made because the aftermarket support wasn't there. Buschur racing got a lot of the turbo,intercooler and intake stuff done for me and it was tuned at godspeed . Don't even know if those company's are still around. Godspeed dyno was showing 498HP at the wheels.I don't know where you get your world record info brother. I know other STI's doing 9's. Jay Perry out of Providence was doing 10's flat a couple years ago & it wasn't even on the final tune, not even close. Almost identical car as mine, destroked, sleeved, GT4094R, custom Kelford cams (the cams were made for both cars at the same time) 600# axles, 1300 cc injectors, 10k redline, AEM standalone unit with launch control, Exedy stage 5 clutch (triple disc) custom gearing, 620 Hp flat after 5k, all the way to 10K. (check the graph at the end of the vid) & all that power going to 4 wheels with 600# axles & launch control. Here is my car, my exact car. I haven't looked carefully but I might be in one of the vids for all I know...(correction, was my car :(
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt & assume you thought I mean 9 flat. 9, just means you broke 10. But iirc, it was 9.83 (or 9.23, I wasn't there...but I've seen it done)
Uh huh. Low 11's on street tires, no stereo, a "big ass turbo" & a ton of motor work. If you want to call me out, don't come half stepping. The car you describing doing low 11's is much more difficult to believe. I assume you had a cage...most tracks don't let you do those numbers without a cage. Seems like in trying to convey how fast your car was, you would probably interject "roll cage" before "I took out the radio."
Low 11's is not an easy number. You are presenting it like you had a smash fast vehicle, & it only did low 11's. So my car breaking 10's is incredible. If we assume you aren't exaggerating, I'm sure that with comparison now, you could see how that car could break 10's.
I normally don't have a problem with you dude. But don't try to make it look like I don't know what I'm talking about, or I'm lying. I live, eat, breathe, & crap cars. I can't really judge how much experience you have, but I've completed 3 race cars on the wrx/sti platform now, & I have the pictures to prove it. The one below is my 4th, & it belongs to Pete Morrison from Groton. WRX converted to RWD. That's just the cars since I switched to imports. Also, Pete is at 350hp on the nose, doing low 12's. 12.4 was the best if i recall correctly.
If one of us is out of their element, it isn't me.
**Edit, despite my ranty response to a perceived insult I will grant you this; 9's are a very difficult number to achieve. A 9 second car is rare. People bragging about their car doing 9's is not unusual. So, an incredulous response is not totally unexpected. But if you want to be sarcastic about it, & you are wrong....it's going to come back around.
9's are not "World Record" rare....it's not even close. If you want to stick to Subie platforms I believe it's 6's or 7's....which isn't a whole other planet, or galaxy, it's a whole other universe.
I did those too but I had the gsxr 1k . Never ran it on a track but I think they claimed around 10sec bone stockScrew cars, sportbikes FTMFW!!!!
I know the old saying, there's no replacement for displacement, but power to weight reigns supreme.
Did a 9.98 on my old moded 2004 cbr 1000rr all motor. But doing 140mph while hanging off and dragging a knee on a sweeper is better than growing and better than sex.
I've only found 2 cars that beat me from a roll on the eway. Both were 1500hp+.
I did those too but I had the gsxr 1k . Never ran it on a track but I think they claimed around 10sec bone stock
I figured, that's why I added the edit. Because of the Fast & Furious type movies, many people don't understand that a 10 second car is rare. That's lot of money to get into that range. Every car is different, e.g. the stock STI drive shaft will hold up to about 600whp, so you may not need to replace it....but most mechanical parts need to be replaced for it to make that type of speed. My tranny was like $16k (Andrewtech.com...amazing work)Like you said I've seen tons of people claiming 10 sec cars and then I annihilate them with an 11 second car
Not at all. I haven't talked to him in a bit, but Jay Perry I'm sure has broken well into the 9's by now. With almost the identical car. I mean aside from a few small items that were different (waste gate, paint color etc) the car was identical to mine.For a road legal wrx to do 9s has got to be near record status.
The R1's or other "super" bikes besides the Hayabusa aren't capable of it?10's on a bike (stock, no mods such as gearing/sprocket/chain, weight reduction, mapping/tuning)
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