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One more reason I'm glad I don't own an MMC!

Colo. Plans 1st Medical Marijuana Tracking System
State Wants Remote Video Surveillance To Track Pot From 'Seed To Sell'
Alan Gathright, 7NEWS Content Producer

POSTED: 6:27 pm MDT September 29, 2010
UPDATED: 7:08 pm MDT September 29, 2010

DENVER -- Colorado is proposing a first-in-the-nation system to track medical marijuana "from seed to sell," a state spokeswoman said.

State regulators propose a network of video surveillance systems where agents can remotely monitor medical pot farms, patient purchases, even the baking of marijuana brownies, said Julie Postlethwait, spokeswoman for the state Department of Revenue's new Medical Marijuana Enforcement Division.

The goal is to prevent people from using forged medical marijuana patient cards and to swiftly track down pot contaminated with mold or tainted marijuana food products and oils, she said.


"We want to protect the patient. This is medicine," Postlethwait said.

"This in the long run legitimizes and helps the industry," she added. "They're caregivers. They want to provide the best quality medicine out there."

Yet, medical marijuana advocates say the all-seeing surveillance system smacks of Big Brother watching patients and worry it will drive up the cost of pot for patients living on fixed incomes.

"There is no conceivable justification for this system," said Robert Chase, a leader of the Colorado Coalition for Patients and Caregivers. "It does beyond the systems that we use to control opiate narcotic drugs, which are demonstrably much, much more dangerous."

"There are valid concerns about the Big Brother issue," Chase said.

He cited a state proposal to require cannabis to be transported in tamper-proof containers and make pot grower and dispensary employees provide fingerprints at each transfer in the supply chain.

"It's a highly intrusive process of having to give fingerprints and being under constant video surveillance. It invokes George Orwell's '1984,'" Chase said.

"The whole thing is preposterous," he said.

The state Medical Marijuana Enforcement Division was created by legislation to strengthen the growing industry's oversight. It was passed by lawmakers earlier this year and signed into law by Gov. Bill Ritter Gov. on June 7.

The agency has formed a working group comprised of medical marijuana industry leaders, caregivers, patients, doctors and law enforcement officials who are drafting proposed rules to implement the new law, Postlethwait said.

The state views the surveillance proposal for medical marijuana as similar to its electronic monitoring of high-security casino cashier rooms.

The public can attend, but not address, the Medical Marijuana Work Group's hearings on Oct. 4 and Oct. 21 at 1881 Pierce St. in Lakewood, Postlethwait said.

The Coloradans for Medical Marijuana Regulation will provided same-day broadcasts of the work group meetings at www.commr.org.

The public can speak on the draft medical marijuana enforcement rules at hearings, yet to be scheduled, later this year, Postlethwait said.

You can read the initial draft rules at the Medical Marijuana Enforcement Division website.
 
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"This in the long run legitimizes and helps the industry," she added. "They're caregivers.

OK...I guess i'm confused yet again. I thought the State decided that the MMC's weren't technically "caregivers"?
 
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Isn't security within casino cash rooms the responsibility of the PRIVATE business?

Are there really that many forged cards out there? Considering the deluge of applications they keep crying about, I am assuming not so many...
 
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"They're caregivers. They want to provide the best quality medicine out there."

The agency has formed a working group comprised of medical marijuana industry leaders, caregivers, patients, doctors and law enforcement officials who are drafting proposed rules to implement the new law, Postlethwait said.

People need to stop confusing MMC's for caregivers.

Two totally different animals.
 
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When our own cannabis people are becoming confused, perhaps the system is confusing. Peace GS
 
Bud Spleefman

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People need to stop confusing MMC's for caregivers.

Two totally different animals.

I wouldn't say totally different, MMCs do provide caregiving services, just not at the patient's home. The point is, no one is tracking the meds sold by caregivers since there isn't the likelyhood that with 5 patients you are pushing product out the backdoor. Now, if you are an MMC with 300 patients, which is 900 plants in flower at 3 per patient.... is like (assume a qp a plant every 2 months) 225 lbs a harvest, so 112.5 lbs a month..... THE MED WANTS TO KNOW WHERE THAT 112.5 lbs is going. That's 7200 quarter oz.... 240 a day!!!!!!!!

They're not stupid, they know many people hopped on the bandwagon hoping to push tons (literally) out the backdoor.......
 
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plenty of people ready to sue over confidientality...i told one of the CS city council men about this and he was not happy
 
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$$$.

Plain and simple.
We have the Colorado Department of Revenue in charge now, not some backward-ass retarded Dept Public Health and Environment. They are going to make sure they get their cut by any means nessecary.

We just gotta pray that our politicians remain so incompetant and corrupt that the money gets taken out of the fund before the DOR can spend it on enforcement.
 
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Bud, It's a legal description. Anyone opperating in a commercial setting (paying state fees and needing licensing other than a caregiver designation) is considered an MMC.

I guarantee you there are no caregivers or patients in the agency, just MMC representatives, other vested interest groups, and law enforcement (people who stand to bankroll on HB1284). These people could give less of a fuck about patients and caregivers.

Caregivers are protected by AM20. MMC's are protected by nothing. that's what HB1284 is all about, making a clear distinction between a caregiver and an MMC.

Yet people still screw this up. If an MMC provides caregiver type services it doesn't make them a caregiver. They're still an MMC. Anyone with an MMC license forfits their ability to be a caregiver.

Just because patients sign their caregivership over to an MMC doesn't make the MMC a caregiver. I never got that, the state still requires patients to sign up at MMC's. They should just let the MMC's pay a fee and sell to any patient they want.
 
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Just because patients sign their caregivership over to an MMC doesn't make the MMC a caregiver. I never got that, the state still requires patients to sign up at MMC's. They should just let the MMC's pay a fee and sell to any patient they want.

Totally agree.

I am never stepping in to an MMC, even though it sort of limits access to new genetics.
 
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just PM your friends or order beans from london or canada. Screw the MMC system, I don't ever want to be video catalogued by the state buying from an MMC.

Something like that could be used against you in a custody battle for your kids, keep you from buying a firearm, make you loose your job, ect.
 
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just PM your friends or order beans from london or canada. Screw the MMC system, I don't ever want to be video catalogued by the state buying from an MMC.

Something like that could be used against you in a custody battle for your kids, keep you from buying a firearm, make you loose your job, ect.


Yeah, plenty of beans on hand and being popped, but sometimes you get an odd request for a 'strain du jour' and don't have time to veg, sex, find a yielder, etc.

Other than the kid part, that is exactly why I am staying the hell out of the MMCs.
 
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I'll have one of my friends who doesn't have much to loose go pick that kind of stuff up if I desperately need it.
 
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This will get thrown out...totally a violation of privacy and bullshit to implement. The "camera" system they are suggesting has an initial setup cost of $30,000 that HAS to be paid to the ONE company that got the government contract from the DOR. That camera setup is more than any of the DOR fees combined. And seriously, I can setup my own camera system WITH a DVR and remote IP access for less than $2,000....so why is it $30,000 for those cameras PER location? You will need a camera for your MMC & your OPCL....$60,000 that YOU have to pay in cameras that you can't even monitor yourself....that sounds totally fair...I'm sure most (starving) MMC owners can afford that!

And then who pays the data connections on that? What if you forget to pay comcast one month and they can't read your feed? According to Matt Cook, you will go to jail.

In the MMCs, cameras are supposed to point and record every patient's ID, purchased bud, and money transacted....I'm sure patients will be happy about that...

I think they hope to make it so on lock and such a pain to buy/sell medicine, that 90% of the patients will prefer to go back to black market and this industry will die off.

And they say they are doing this for the patient? If the shit has mold or something, it shouldn't leave the grow...plain and simple...you don't need a whole tracking system for recalling a bad batch of brownies, that bud should of never gone into the brownies to begin with....this isn't Monsanto or Cargill....we don't realize 1 month later that 1/2 our food is infected with E. Coli

Are there really that many forged cards out there? Considering the deluge of applications they keep crying about, I am assuming not so many...

Thats what I'm saying...with as easy as its been for every Tom, Dick, & Harry to go get a legal rec, why would anyone forge their card? We all want to be legal, and when it only takes $150 to have that legal protection, you would be stupid to forge it...

I think this is just tough talk to appease the soccer moms, I'm pretty sure the incidences of forgery are ultra-low, if even existent. I live in Boulder, every 18 year old CU student has their card...if even they can get it, then why forge anything?

Just because patients sign their caregivership over to an MMC doesn't make the MMC a caregiver. I never got that, the state still requires patients to sign up at MMC's. They should just let the MMC's pay a fee and sell to any patient they want.

Its so they *supposedly* are producing enough in the state to supply the patients. If every spot would just pay a fee and grow and sell however much they want, we would have an abundance of mmj....which in their eyes would lead to potential "blackmarket" abuse.

The reality is scarcity creates chaos and demand, which allows a few players to dominate and manipulate the entire market....the last thing those players want is an abundance of good product...especially if it is sourced from a plethora of suppliers, rather than a controlled few.

Not necessarily 'new', but how about 'new to me' or something my patient requests that I don't have immediate access to.

Pop some seeds and/or network with other caregivers...MMC's genetics are only "new" because they labeled and advertised them as such...
 
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Pop some seeds and/or network with other caregivers...MMC's genetics are only "new" because they labeled and advertised them as such...

Yeah, been popping 'odd' beans like mad. Just someone asks for a worked over 'AK this or Blueberry that' because that's all the rage and I do not feel like wasting time or energy looking for a 'keeper' of it when there are better things to play with.

I am working to introduce them to newer/better things, but it just takes time.

Don't really have a stable built back up yet for quality trades.

I've never bought genetics in a disp, and with the horror stories of PM and mites, not really looking to introduce them in to my environment either.

I wish we were open enough to have a 'farmers market' of sorts...
 
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a farmers market would be cool, but the risk of mites and pm would be even greater I would think.. with many sources.
 
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ah,cali.

this is ridiculous!
One more reason I'm glad I don't own an MMC!

Colo. Plans 1st Medical Marijuana Tracking System
State Wants Remote Video Surveillance To Track Pot From 'Seed To Sell'
Alan Gathright, 7NEWS Content Producer

POSTED: 6:27 pm MDT September 29, 2010
UPDATED: 7:08 pm MDT September 29, 2010

DENVER -- Colorado is proposing a first-in-the-nation system to track medical marijuana "from seed to sell," a state spokeswoman said.

State regulators propose a network of video surveillance systems where agents can remotely monitor medical pot farms, patient purchases, even the baking of marijuana brownies, said Julie Postlethwait, spokeswoman for the state Department of Revenue's new Medical Marijuana Enforcement Division.

The goal is to prevent people from using forged medical marijuana patient cards and to swiftly track down pot contaminated with mold or tainted marijuana food products and oils, she said.


"We want to protect the patient. This is medicine," Postlethwait said.

"This in the long run legitimizes and helps the industry," she added. "They're caregivers. They want to provide the best quality medicine out there."

Yet, medical marijuana advocates say the all-seeing surveillance system smacks of Big Brother watching patients and worry it will drive up the cost of pot for patients living on fixed incomes.

"There is no conceivable justification for this system," said Robert Chase, a leader of the Colorado Coalition for Patients and Caregivers. "It does beyond the systems that we use to control opiate narcotic drugs, which are demonstrably much, much more dangerous."

"There are valid concerns about the Big Brother issue," Chase said.

He cited a state proposal to require cannabis to be transported in tamper-proof containers and make pot grower and dispensary employees provide fingerprints at each transfer in the supply chain.

"It's a highly intrusive process of having to give fingerprints and being under constant video surveillance. It invokes George Orwell's '1984,'" Chase said.

"The whole thing is preposterous," he said.

The state Medical Marijuana Enforcement Division was created by legislation to strengthen the growing industry's oversight. It was passed by lawmakers earlier this year and signed into law by Gov. Bill Ritter Gov. on June 7.

The agency has formed a working group comprised of medical marijuana industry leaders, caregivers, patients, doctors and law enforcement officials who are drafting proposed rules to implement the new law, Postlethwait said.

The state views the surveillance proposal for medical marijuana as similar to its electronic monitoring of high-security casino cashier rooms.

The public can attend, but not address, the Medical Marijuana Work Group's hearings on Oct. 4 and Oct. 21 at 1881 Pierce St. in Lakewood, Postlethwait said.

The Coloradans for Medical Marijuana Regulation will provided same-day broadcasts of the work group meetings at www.commr.org.

The public can speak on the draft medical marijuana enforcement rules at hearings, yet to be scheduled, later this year, Postlethwait said.

You can read the initial draft rules at the Medical Marijuana Enforcement Division website.
 
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