Mike Pence, Trump’s Vp Pick, Is Bad News For Cannabis Reform

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Today’s report that Donald Trump has chosen Indiana Gov. Mike Pence as his vice presidential running mate is bad news for those of us hoping for cannabis policy reform during the next presidency.

First of all, Pence hails from Indiana, where draconian drug laws still reign supreme. Possession of any amount of cannabis in the state still punishable by a $1,000 fine and 180 days in jail.

In 2013, House Bill 1006 was introduced to overhaul Indiana’s criminal code. The bill originally included a clause to lower marijuana possession charges. Pence, however, refused to accept the lowered penalties, and demanded that legislators bump cannabis possession back up to a Class B misdemeanor before signing the measure into law. Pence said at a press conference, “I think we need to focus on reducing crime, not reducing penalties.”

Various attempts to bring Indiana’s drug laws into the 21st century have repeatedly failed, due at least in part to Pence’s widely held belief that cannabis is a gateway drug.


That belief goes against both scientific research and the opinion of the majority of Indianans. In October of 2012, Howey Depauw posed the question of cannabis decriminalization during the Indiana Battleground Poll. When Indiana voters were asked whether they believed the possession of a small amount of cannabis should be an infraction rather than a crime, 54 percent said they favored decriminalization.

Interestingly, one of the more controversial laws passed by Pence opened the door for a minor marijuana victory. Indiana passed the so-called Religious Freedom Restoration Act in 2015, which protects religious liberties and was protested by many objectors as an excuse to discriminate against the LGBTQ community.

However, the same day Pence signed the bill into law, cannabis activist Bill Levin established the First Church of Cannabis as a protected religious group. Members are allowed to partake in cannabis as a religious sacrament despite its illegality within the state. In other words, Levin won the day with some high-level government trolling.



Trump has wavered between support for cannabis legalization and condemning recreational use. He was quoted in 1990 as saying that the federal government should legalize cannabis and use the tax revenue to fund drug education programs. He has since backpedaled on recreational legalization, resorting to soundbites that resonate with voters.

“Marijuana is such a big thing. I think medical should happen — right? Don’t we agree?” Trump said in an interview with the Washington Post in October 2015. “And then I really believe we should leave it up to the states.”

With Pence by his side, there’s a distinct possibility that Trump’s opinion could change. Although vice presidential powers are usually limited to tie-breaking votes in the U.S. Senate, the voice of a running mate can be powerful and influential. Think of Dick Cheney’s sway over the George W. Bush administration. (Of course, it can also swing the other way: Recall Dan Quayle’s insignificance within the George H.W. Bush White House.) Pence’s anti-cannabis rhetoric could impact the future of Trump’s campaign, and might influence the administration’s drug policy if Trump were to be elected.

https://www.leafly.com/news/headlin...mpaign=Roost&utm_source=Roost&utm_medium=push
 
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You hold your nose and vote for the person that you find least embarrassing. If nothing else, this election season has been a godsend for the libertarians, it has helped get the conspiracy theorist and racist elements out of their party. That was always something that prevented me from backing them. Now...to tackle their love of the gold standard.
 
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So what will trump do to keep us safe and protect our freedoms? Hilldog pretty clearly lays out some semblance of a plan for everything, say what you will but she is smart and knows what she is doing. I don't get that feeling from the trump camp. Given how aggressively the Republicans have gone after the Clinton ' s...if she was that dirty and corrupt can't they find one solid legitimate thing to pin on them. Don't get me wrong, there is a huge list of reasons to not like hillary, but the sane reasons are never what get used.

You are right that drug laws would be a silly thing to base an opinion on, it's the rest of it where trump falls short on every single issue.

Difference of opinion I suppose, to me though, neither candidate is very appealing, but it's just the Donald that makes me embarrassed when he speaks and has not come close to proving himself competent for the job.
 
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You didn't make a point?

To each their own.

Edit: so, you are in the same camp I am in where you are voting against the other guy, lesser of two evils style? We just don't agree which side is the least evil.

Or do you legit like something about what a trump presidency would look like? If so what? Not meant in a dick ish way, just curious and making conversation.
 
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I don't think either major party has any interest in shrinking government. They both view the populace as stooges and create artificial divides to maintain power; to be honest there hasn't been much difference between parties for the past 30-40 years. Regan begot Clinton begot bush who begot Obama who begot clinton. The rhetoric is all over the place, but they all push the same policies. No one wants to shrink government, it would reduce their power and influence.

My view is that trump is the least trustworthy candidate given their records. I think he would more likely to kick the country under the bus to serve his own needs than clinton.
 
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:smoking:

Weeds good for nausea...just saying

Eh, good luck on all that. We are just going to have to disagree, neither of us are changing our minds.
 
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....but that guy dodged the draft and talked shit on military families, both gold stars and the purple heart recipients. He has demonstrated a complete lack of understanding regarding the constitution and values.

Hell...did he ever make good on his pledge of personally giving a million to the vets? Last I heard he dicked them over after running the "support our troops" shtick. National review (conservative group) even trashed him. http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/436078/trump-and-long-delayed-1-million-donations-veterans

I am just curious about why people would back him, I don't see the actions that match what he says.

We as a united people sure deserve better, oh well...look the Kardashians are doing something over there.

I do kind of like johnson/weld, hope they make the debates. Would be interested in their alternative.
 
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Not at all, just don't think I am going to get much closer to understanding your point of view. We have different opinions of the folks involved and what they claim to want to do.
 
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There all puppets, right, politicians there puppets that represent the legislative branch, so we need a puppet with a sole with the grit too cut the strings from the puppeteer....now if Fuckface Trump is elected and cuts those strings and abuses the power of executive order do you think he, meaning Fuckface Trump, would represent you? If you answered yes then you are just a brain fart of the unconscious sleeping giant...if your unsure who the sleeping giant represents let me tell you this, the sleeping giant represents the idiots willing to vote for a representative that does NOT represent YOU.
 
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I'm not a hateful person, just check my post history. My whole entire point about Trump is, he brings out the HATE in people and he brings out the ANGER in people and based on our war dependant economy I believe its safe to say we need a replacement for HATE and ANGER...
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Weeeeeeeeed is the answer.

Trump support baffles me if it's based on anything other than racism. I don't agree with it, but it makes sense to back a candidate that represents your views. Every conceivable other reason/topic seems wrong to me as trump doesn't have a whole lot of real solid positions that he backs up through action or even just staying consistent with his message. Even his main point of the wall and mass deportation has been walked back and forward more times than I can count. How can anyone believe a single thing the guy says.
 
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I think one of the defining and great things about our country is that we do help others in need.
 
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Viva Mejico!!! A wall won't do shit if your not afraid of tunnels or boats. A wall isn't going to stop Chinese immigration...I wonder who really immigrated the most because mexican numbers are inaccurate many are repeat travellers counted more then just once but ya I see were your hate lies...
 
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The reality is this.....anyone who would even remotely consider voting for hillary clinton is a PinHead....this Election is about far more than just Marijuana Reform...this Election is about our country and our freedoms...anyone who says diffrent is a moron in the purest sense of the term...i would rather have a safer and more secure country than bitching about something such as marijuana reform....THERE ARE MORE IMPORTANT ISSUES TO WORRY ABOUT
Like you stopping the use of Rush Limbaugh Talking Points version 2016? Unless there is another nationally known conservative who is divisive and like to use the word pinhead. Kind of like 'low information voters' or when he says obama's name and includes the word 'Hussein'.
Why dont everyone hold a protest outsideof the Whitehouse?....maybe 20,000 chanting potheads will get our goverments attention
Potheads don't vote, they don't even know the date of the election. Potheads are also mildy retarded in that they scream 'Legalize it' without understanding how ridiculous that statement is.
Well im all for the PEOPLE...not for the GOVERMENT....i firmly believe that this country needs a smaller goverment and less intrusion on citizens private lives...unless your a wanna be terrorist...then i hope the goverment kicks a persons ass till hell freezes over....now with that being said...YES.. We disagree on the lesser of two evils .....all i want out of this Election is a president FOR THE PEOPLE


....NOT A PRESIDENT TO KEEP FUCKING THE PEOPLE
You don't get to have your cake and eat it too. You can't say we need smaller government and then say you want more government intervention as it relates to terrorism.
You seem to be contradicting yourself. Also, there is nobody running that is running 'for the people'. That's just a political talking point.
 
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I think for quite a few people, the changes being offered are not what we want. We might not like the status quo, but we aren't going to back some bs that just revolves around kicking out Mexican people. I haven't seen a whole lot other than that being proposed. Just saying you are going to make things great is a nothing statement. How will he accomplish anything? Does he have a single viable plan for anything.
 

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