Mitt Romney Marijuana Views Echo Long Progressive History Of U.S. Drug War

[SoCal 420]

How does your bussiness flurish/grow when A law encourages it to stay smaller to avoid paying penalties... What is the motivation to grow beyond 25 employee's or is that as far that someone that is debateing A small business venture aspire to because any more than that and you are negatively affected... How does this premote the growth of the economy and job creation? I believe the question was pretty straight forward. The exact words were "This is going to encourage job creation and the growth of small bussiness such as the ones you owned how?" What is their that you are attempting to understand?

 

[fishwhistle]

actually that shit was compromise to the right. The original idea was far different from the plan that was enacted. I mean if we would all have the public option I think there would be no arguing, fyi, I dislike many aspects of the law especially the mandate as I would rather there be a government option for all of us to buy, not be forced into the insurance game.......the thing I do like about the bill is the coverage for children, and the insurance restrictions as they were highly needed.

I can agree with most of this post san,problem is that it IS the law that we do business with them and thats straight up bullshit,blame it on the right if you want but it is called obamacare and he signed it and owns it now.Im concerned about kids too,I have grandkids that i love and i dont want them to inherit a country where they are slaves to the govenment forced to do what they tell you to and screwed with so much debt its impossible to get rid of and they did not create it or even have a say in it.If there were options to choose from like your idea great,but to force people to do what you say is not a democracy at all its a dictatorship.This kind of shit has to end as its pushing people further apart,we need to come together to really be able to change things for the better,we should take a vote on obamacare with all citizens having a say and see whats up then.

 

[sanvanalona]

Hey fish I think that something like what you are eluding is going to happen with the mandate.....at least I hope.....I think that there will be such continuous negative backlash especially if there is not super cheap insurance that the government reply will be to provide a "medicare for everyone" program so those that no longer want to fuck with insurance companies are still covered. At least that is what I hope.

 

[sky high]

I support your idea on a public vote for obamacare, fish....

then again....I would have also have supported taking a vote of the people whether or not Dubya could invade BOTH Iraq and Afghanistan and start us into the cycle of debt you are trying to completely blame on Obama/Obamacare.

In truth, the "collapse' of the economy started when some of you elected DUMYA to office...TWICE.

Argue...but keep it fuckin' real dudes. .

 

[SoCal 420]

Hind sight is 20/20 Little argument as this unfolded...
We will make no distinction between the terrorists who committed these acts (911) and those who harbor them."
Operation Enduring Freedom, the American-led international effort to oust the Taliban regime in Afghanistan and destroy Osama bin Laden's terrorist network based there, began on October 7. Within two months, U.S. forces had effectively removed the Taliban from operational power, but the war continued, as U.S. and coalition forces attempted to defeat a Taliban insurgency campaign based in neighboring Pakistan. Osama bin Laden, the mastermind behind the September 11th attacks, remained at large until May 2, 2011, when he was finally tracked down and killed by U.S. forces at a hideout in Abbottabad, Pakistan.
So now we all can critisize the war and what it cost and why it began but Obama takes A bow for useing his super human mind to tell the military "Yeah, if you got him (Osama bin Laden)take him out" With Iraq threatening to blow Isreal off the map because they don't have the right to exist as it (Iraq) reaches nuclear capability. I think the job was left incomplete same as Obama graded his first term and no one critisizes that right? I would consider that keeping it pretty real... No offense intended!

P.S. Then there is this small overlooked detail... Bill Clinton's Affordable Care Act.

The current mortgage crisis came about in large part because of Clinton-era government pressure on lenders to make risky loans in order to “make homeownership more affordable for lower-income Americans and those with a poor credit history,” the DC Examiner notes today. “Those steps encouraged riskier mortgage lending by minimizing the role of credit histories in lending decisions, loosening required debt-to-equity ratios to allow borrowers to make small or even no down payments at all, and encouraging lenders the use of floating or adjustable interest-rate mortgages, including those with low ‘teasers.’”

 

[fishwhistle]

W is not the president nor has he been for the last 4 years ,we could probably pass the buck all the way down to george washington if we wanted to just keep blaming people,I dont care who did anything,I only care about how you are gonna go about fixing it and your performance in doing so.

 

[sky high]

Thanks for that soCal 420. It shows well that the blame cannot be placed solely on one person/the last person to hold office's shoulders...as many are doing when they speak about the Obama administration and the rising debt....as if it is all his doing. Clinton 2x...bush 2x...and Obama...all have contributed to the debt we see today....as WILL Romney should he somehow make it into office.

gonna be interesting...for sure....

 

[SoCal 420]

Agreed... I am not attempting to place blame, simply presenting fact because that is directly related to where we are today... What we do tomorrow is the bigger picture but obviously repeating the same mistake is unacceptable. The gov. is Spending money they don't have much the same way the housing bubble was created. That is the point I was trying to convey...

 

[SoCal 420]

With all things said would it be fair to say that government interfearing with free market and the private sector such as in the Affordable Car Act was A bad idea?

 

[sanvanalona]

With all things said would it be fair to say that government interfearing with free market and the private sector such as in the Affordable Car Act was A bad idea?

NO! The private sector is not the answer for everything unfortunately. The Affordable care act is not the best answer but its a start. The war in Iraq was a horrible war that cost many lives because G.W. wanted to lie.....not only that but attempt to finance that war and Afghanistan while simultaneously taking tax cuts. Government regulations are needed to ensure a fair market place, or market practices would be ridiculous.....we would be drinking 30 different colas all called "coke" if not.

 

[SoCal 420]

Once again, I will repeat what I said for you "such as in the Affordable Care Act" I said nothing of cola or anything else, beside that there are 30 different colas and and they are not controled by government but for A trademarked name. Free market still allows 30 different colas. The global crisis and the colapse of wall street is proven to be directly related to the Government medaling and policy implementation of The Affordable Care Act. That is factual and can not be denied. Can you say "Housing Bubble" Pop, Boom, Bang, Crash. Here we are. People that cant afford houses should have one. The good fairy will put the money under my pillow... Yeah, right. Google "How the Affordable Care Act led to the Global Market Melt Down" and let me know what you find. Then tell me how government trying to influence free market is A good thing by this measure...

Iraq, I guess we just wait and see if they nuke Isreal or share nukes with terrorist organizations as they pubicly state in defiance of the U.N. that there only purpose in life is that Isreal is wiped from the face of the earth and must not be allowed to exist... These are not nice guys that are going to sit down and smoke A joint and talk peace with you sanvanalona

 

[sanvanalona]

Iraq, I guess we just wait and see if they nuke Isreal or share nukes with terrorist organizations as they state that there only purpose in life is that Isreal is wiped from the face of the earth and must not be allowed to exist... These are not nice guys that are going to sit down and smoke A joint and talk peace with you sanvanalona

I was talking about government enforcement of trademark infringements, they are needed and no we do not have 30 different colas all named "coke", like we do with say "og kush" in an unregulated market such as herb. As far as not being nice guys who is not nice? Iraqi's? Israeli's?, Iranian's.......cause like I said earlier I travel and skateboard a lot and have homies from these places.......people are people socal would you not agree? If anything that comes out of Iraq as negative in the way of terrorist atrocities, we surely would be to blame for getting rid of Saddam. Hate him all you want but that crazy fuck kept that crazy nation in check and kept al qaeda out of there. You know what though..........I am down to smoke a joint with almost anyone on earth and try to find similarities.......there are so many cool mofo's in this world I simply cannot can't out anyone that I do not know personally based off of the geographical location of their birth. Hope all is good folks, I am off to that sour d!!!!!!!

 

[SoCal 420]

I was talking about government enforcement of trademark infringements, they are needed and no we do not have 30 different colas all named "coke", like we do with say "og kush" in an unregulated market such as herb. As far as not being nice guys who is not nice? Iraqi's? Israeli's?, Iranian's.......cause like I said earlier I travel and skateboard a lot and have homies from these places.......people are people socal would you not agree? If anything that comes out of Iraq as negative in the way of terrorist atrocities, we surely would be to blame for getting rid of Saddam. Hate him all you want but that crazy fuck kept that crazy nation in check and kept al qaeda out of there. You know what though..........I am down to smoke a joint with almost anyone on earth and try to find similarities.......there are so many cool mofo's in this world I simply cannot can't out anyone that I do not know personally based off of the geographical location of their birth. Hope all is good folks, I am off to that sour d!!!!!!!

In Ca. everyone that's anyone skateboards at some time or another My brother was fully sponsered, Skated with Hawk on A regular basis. My martial art instructors (Lester "SurfDog" Griffin) (Google or YouTube the Guy) sister is into waredrobe and make-up for HollyWood and married to Tony Alva... Ring any bells... Have A good One sanvanalona!

 

[squiggly]

I was talking about government enforcement of trademark infringements, they are needed and no we do not have 30 different colas all named "coke", like we do with say "og kush" in an unregulated market such as herb. As far as not being nice guys who is not nice? Iraqi's? Israeli's?, Iranian's.......cause like I said earlier I travel and skateboard a lot and have homies from these places.......people are people socal would you not agree? If anything that comes out of Iraq as negative in the way of terrorist atrocities, we surely would be to blame for getting rid of Saddam. Hate him all you want but that crazy fuck kept that crazy nation in check and kept al qaeda out of there. You know what though..........I am down to smoke a joint with almost anyone on earth and try to find similarities.......there are so many cool mofo's in this world I simply cannot can't out anyone that I do not know personally based off of the geographical location of their birth. Hope all is good folks, I am off to that sour d!!!!!!!

This is sort of my argument against Christianity.

The idea that a "fair God who loves everyone" would deny someone the opportunity to come to faith in him simply based on where they're from. I GUARANTEE you that many people live and die without ever having been offered the Christian message.

According to dogma that means into the lake of fire with them. Doesn't match up.

Loves you and burns-your-skin-off-for-eternity-in-the-hottest-flame-conceivable-that-ever-could-or-will-exist, just don't go together.

 

[Darth Fader]

In truth, the "collapse' of the economy started when some of you elected DUMYA to office...TWICE.

This isn't true at all BTW. The FIRE economy really came into being when Clinton signed the repeal of the Glass Steagal act. This when the smoke and mirrors really began to kick in. And coincidently , as a result of the .com boom/bust (in 2000), Greenspan attempted to soften the impending recession (which also began in the final months of the Clinton Admin) by lowering interest rates, creating a massive credit expansion. Most of this money though went into real estate (as Ron Paul predicted in 2002), creating another massive asset (housing) bubble (which he also predicted). Then of course Government interfered and heavily skewed the market buy buying or guaranteeing rotten mortgages, removing the risk involved in making said "crappy" loans. But even this alone probably would've have tanked Wall St. It was the derivative multiplier that did this. Plenty of blame to go around and plenty of fraud and collusion. A to Z fraud. This thread is all over the place now lol.

Last election was a choice between two socialists - both whom wanted to bail out homeowners who weren't meeting their mortgage obligations. They also wanted to bail out the banks. But then again, so did Congress. If these banks were allowed to fail, or nationalized, the stockholders would have lost everything. Think of how much all the millionaires and billionaires, including many members of Congress, would have lost? Instead they shifted those losses to the taxpayers. This system is completely rigged and rotten.

It's not as simple as "Would someone please inform these yahoo's that the risk/reward dynamic only works if you allow failure." While it is try that you can't remove risk without the expectation that it will no longer temper stupidity, I believe they know this. They, just want to protect THEIR own wealth at the taxpayer expense (theft and cheating), and then try to appease the public with more immoral giveaways (more theft). Isn't it awesome having a ruling class of Democrats AND Republicans?

 

[sanvanalona]

In Ca. everyone that's anyone skateboards at some time or another My brother was fully sponsered, Skated with Hawk on A regular basis. My martial art instructors (Lester "SurfDog" Griffin) (Google or YouTube the Guy) sister is into waredrobe and make-up for HollyWood and married to Tony Alva... Ring any bells... Have A good One sanvanalona!

yeah old school boys!!!!Sick! But my shit is different man, I am an urban street head! Handrails, ledges, shit I am not supposed to skate on......yeah I like that shit a lot and that has given me the ability to meet some of the most amazing people from across the globe, shit if you know Tony H. just ask him what he thinks......I don't know him too well personally but I have an idea what he would say about skaters from across the world....that we are all alike. In CA everyone does skateboard, most just don't do it as seriously as I have for over 20 years.....I got sponsored 18 years ago and stopped that stuff almost 10, its been for the true love ever since and I cannot fathom life without that plank under my feet guiding my destiny. This is why I spend so much time in Spain, and let me tell you about an arab melting pot!!!!!! Most of them are Pakistanis and Iranians and most are cool, don't get me wrong met my fair share of assholes from there too its just I think there are way more similarities than differences.

When it comes to religion, there really is not a difference. If they are the 2 % of muslims that are fundamentalist they almost mirror christian fundamentalism entirely.

Squiggly: I share your opinion in thought about hell. It seems to me that the modern idea of hell is more from Dante's Inferno than it is from the bible though....there are only like 5 references to satan in that thing (could be wrong on the exact number but its low).......and then if you take what Jesus says and juxtapose it to the christian faith (either evangelical or catholic) and you could not find more differences....Jesus was a true hippie ("the son of man has no place to rest his head") and walked the earth in order to share a message of compassion and love......far from almost any religion of today. While I will always wonder the level of deity I have no doubt that there was a historical figure that walked this earth at the turn of the millennium named "Jesus of Nazareth" and that for some unknown reason (science has not/maybe could not) a big section of the world converted to this man's idea of God very rapidly at a time when information moved slower than molasses. Some pretty awesome shit gets discovered when coupling the tools we have for history (josephus, and other writings) and the Bible....for instance read the gospel of Mark and try to get the unabridged version, it was the first gospel written and Jesus had the least amount of "christology" in it, he was much more mysterious and interesting.

 

[SoCal 420]

yeah old school boys!!!!Sick! But my shit is different man, I am an urban street head! Handrails, ledges, shit I am not supposed to skate on......

What's street skating? Just kidding, that's what you do to fill time when your not riding mega half pipes and vert ramps... In Ca. My brother rolled with Andrew Renolds when he lived in Huntington Beach... 10 or 12 years ago, Old scool. One of his videos (Andrew)

 

[SoCal 420]

Back on point... Will the MMJ situation improve under Mitt? Unless you have A crystal ball that lets you see the future you can not know but this is obvious...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/28/obamas-war-on-weed-in-california_n_1835290.html

 

[squiggly]

This isn't true at all BTW. The FIRE economy really came into being when Clinton signed the repeal of the Glass Steagal act.

This is true, but perhaps some context should be given that republicans did propose the bill as such. Clinton was trying to get quite a bit of legislation through. This was a piece that was really instrumental in getting republicans to work with him on other issues.

He DID, multiple times, threaten to veto this bill according to both the provisions of the bill, and the votes of republicans on other legislation at that time.

This is not something that we can just hang on Clinton solely--while I do agree with you that this set the stage for the housing market crash. That said, banks still should've known better than to do what they did.

In a nutshell, they made a shitload of money by gambling with peoples lives (mortgages and pensions simultaneously linked together in one market)--and when the going go tough they all pulled their money out.

The sickest thing in all of it was that, even though ultimately many banks became insolvent, initially--they managed to pull out most of their assets before the crisis hit them too hard.

Same thing can't be said for Joe/Jane Americans.


All that said, Republican policies have still grown the debt in modern history (20 years of the last 32) more than democrats by astronomical numbers, and have failed to produce a single surplus.

Two wars, de-regulations galore, widening of the doughnut hole, and subsidies for the corporations that need them the least (oil companies).

The republican way is untenable. It does not make sense in today's world economy.

If we don't spend on education and infrastructure, we've already lost--period. Maybe not in 10 years or 20--but for each year that passes without improvements to how we are educating young Americans--our country becomes one year stupider.

For the first time in history, many of the people dying now--are more intelligent than we can expect those who are being born today will be (on average).

You know who to blame for this?

Selfish old people who had a great education because the generation before them invested in them--who refuse now to accept the idea that they should invest in my generation.

Unfortunately, for all of us, it show. My generation is a hot mess. Jersey Shore, that's all I have to say.

 

[SoCal 420]

Time line and spending via whitehouse.gov Pay attention to spending from 9/11/2001 to 01/09 the whole time the war on terror was at it's peak... Make your own conclusion.